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I do look younger for my age of 56. Why do you ask about my health? What does this have to do with anything discussed here.




Sigh... Another "what if" question...

Okay first, why do you think the Lord tarries? For 40 years? Based on what Scripture are you talking about and what does it have to do anything with my body? Please be more clear with what you are trying to ask.
Good Morning

Hypothetically i added 40 years to your life thus saying: IF you lived to 96 and yet:
a.) your body would still succumbed to death
b.)
your body is under the Power and Enemy of DEATH = on earth
c.)
the LAST Enemy to be Defeated is DEATH = 1 Cor ch15 and Rev ch20

TRUTH and Facts go together = Christians are not reigning on earth = "My Kingdom is not from here"

Today, please read Revelation ch11 that you may SEE the TRUTH and the Facts of Christ's Reign
 

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David, mankind is born with both body and spirit as living souls upon this earth. While it is true that our body, the outer shell that houses our spirit shall die, we, who have been born again possess a spirit that can NEVER die. It is through the spirit within our body made alive through the Spirit of Christ in us that lives and reigns with Christ in our mortal, corruptible flesh & blood. Because Christ tells us the Kingdom of God is not something that can be physically seen but is within us. We are spiritually NOW the body of Christ through Christ's Spirit in us. And we have NOW entered into the Kingdom of God in heaven through Christ's Spirit in us. As a Kingdom of Priests we are NOW ruling and reigning over the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven with Christ.

John 4:23-24 (KJV) But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Ephesians 5:9 (KJV) (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)

2 Thessalonians 2:13 (KJV) But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

1 Peter 1:22 (KJV) Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:

1 John 5:6 (KJV) This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.

This is how we can be both living and reigning with Christ as kings and priests on this earth NOW, and how we shall continue to reign with Christ in the eternal age to come.

Revelation 1:5-6 (KJV) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Good Morning

post 482
 

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Good Morning

post 482

Your reply in 482 does not give an answer for how believers in physical flesh live and reign with Christ in spirit and in truth through the Holy Spirit of Christ in us. It assumes believers will one day live and reign with Christ physically in a future 1,000 years after Christ comes again. But the assumption is NOT built upon the Word of God, but built upon opinion, which I believe I have shown you why this opinion is not truth.

I've given you the passages from Scripture that prove through our spirit we live and reign with Christ from the moment we are born again, and have spiritually entered the Kingdom of God in heaven, Christ calling us priests and kings. Now, if it be the will of God, may the Spirit be your guide.
 

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Your reply in 482 does not give an answer for how believers in physical flesh live and reign with Christ in spirit and in truth through the Holy Spirit of Christ in us. It assumes believers will one day live and reign with Christ physically in a future 1,000 years after Christ comes again. But the assumption is NOT built upon the Word of God, but built upon opinion, which I believe I have shown you why this opinion is not truth.

I've given you the passages from Scripture that prove through our spirit we live and reign with Christ from the moment we are born again, and have spiritually entered the Kingdom of God in heaven, Christ calling us priests and kings. Now, if it be the will of God, may the Spirit be your guide.
Your post 481 is all TRUTH - EXCEPT for your opinion which you added:
This is how we can be both living and reigning with Christ as kings and priests on this earth NOW, and how we shall continue to reign with Christ in the eternal age to come.

The LORD says = HE and His servants(you/me) will NOT reign on earth until His Second Coming = John 18:36

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Satan is the god of this world and ONLY when CHRIST Returns does HE establish His Kingdom on earth = Rev ch11

Listen to JESUS = "nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Listen to the Holy Spirit = He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.
 
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Wrong. Have you never read this....

Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Peter indicated that the way in which the prophecy David made regarding God's promise that He would raise up Christ to sit on his (David's) throne was fulfilled by way of the resurrection of Christ. As Peter said "This Jesus hath God raised up" and "God made the same Jesus whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ". If you look at scripture with a carnal mind you can't hope to understand things like this.
All true except that you miss the facts of = see Posts 482 & 485
 

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The LORD says = HE and His servants(you) will NOT reign on earth until His Second Coming = John 18:36

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Satan is the god of this world and ONLY when CHRIST Returns does HE establish His Kingdom on earth = Rev ch11

Listen to JESUS = "nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.”

Listen to the Holy Spirit = He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins.

John says the Kingdom of God is not of this world, but he does NOT say that the servants of Christ are not NOW reigning with Christ as kings and priests through Christ's Spirit in us. Yes, Christ says, His Kingdom if not now from here. He also says: Luke 17:21 (KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The literal translation of Lu 17:21: Luke 17:21 (YLT) nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.'

Believers have entered the Kingdom of God that is within you the moment we were born again. His Kingdom is not visible because it is not a physical kingdom on this earth, but a spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven that we believers, with Christ rule over His people (Church) as a Kingdom of priests and kings.

Rev 11 tells us the Kingdoms of this world shall not become the kingdoms of our Lord until time shall be no longer when the seventh angel sounds. The Kingdom of God then shall not be on this earth but shall be the Kingdom that comes down from heaven to the New Heaven and the New Earth.

Revelation 11:15 (KJV) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 10:6-7 (KJV) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV)
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
 
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John says the Kingdom of God is not of this world, but he does NOT say that the servants of Christ are not NOW reigning with Christ as kings and priests through Christ's Spirit in us. Yes, Christ says, His Kingdom if not now from here. He also says: Luke 17:21 (KJV) Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The literal translation of Lu 17:21: Luke 17:21 (YLT) nor shall they say, Lo, here; or lo, there; for lo, the reign of God is within you.'

Believers have entered the Kingdom of God that is within you the moment we were born again. His Kingdom is not visible because it is not a physical kingdom on this earth, but a spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven that we believers, with Christ rule over His people (Church) as a Kingdom of priests and kings.

Rev 11 tells us the Kingdoms of this world shall not become the kingdoms of our Lord until time shall be no longer when the seventh angel sounds. The Kingdom of God then shall not be on this earth but shall be the Kingdom that comes down from heaven to the New Heaven and the New Earth.

Revelation 11:15 (KJV) And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 10:6-7 (KJV) And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Revelation 21:1-3 (KJV)
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
i always AGREE with Scripture/Truth and i am hoping you will as well.

Do you believe that CHRIST is the "Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End" ???
 

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Do you really believe the rest of the dead who do not live again until the thousand years were finished are of the first resurrection,
No, of course not.

Do you really believe the rest of the dead who do not live again until the thousand years were finished are of the first resurrection, since they are not counted with those of Rev 4 who have already lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years before they were martyred for their faith?
Why are you bringing up Revelation 4 ? What verse ?

Your posts are so confusing to understand what you mean.

I added the last sentence of Rev 5 to Rev 6 to make a point Doug.
Don't change the text. Copy and paste both Revelation 20:5 and Revelation 20:6.

Since a thousand years symbolize time that runs from the first advent of Christ and ends when the last trumpet sounds
No, the thousand years in Revelation 20 begin with Jesus's return. And end a thousand years later.

This is the sequence of events:

1. the resurrection/rapture event.
2. then the great tribulation - time of the beast
3. then Jesus returns to earth - with His bride
4. then the martyred great tribulation saints will be resurrected.
5. then the 1000 years of Revelation 20 take place.


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i always AGREE with Scripture/Truth and i am hoping you will as well.

Do you believe that CHRIST is the "Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End" ???

Revelation 22:13 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Of course, I believe what is plainly written! Perhaps you will explain how this is relevant to this discussion???
 
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Revelation 22:13 (KJV) I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Of course, I believe what is plainly written! Perhaps you will explain how this is relevant to this discussion???
JESUS came the First Time = Alpha/Beginning
"this gospel will be preached in all the world and then the End will Come" = Prophecy

GOSPEL = No earthly reign until the End Comes: "My kingdom is not of this world or My servants(you/me) would fight"

JESUS is Coming Back = Omega/End Revelation 11:15 - "the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdom of CHRIST"

NOTE: Colossians 1:9-20
the Alpha is BEFORE all things as all things were created by Him and for Him = Genesis
the Omega is the Consummation of "ALL THINGS created By HIM and For HIM" = Revelation
 

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JESUS came the First Time = Alpha/Beginning
"this gospel will be preached in all the world and then the End will Come" = Prophecy

GOSPEL = No earthly reign until the End Comes: "My kingdom is not of this world or My servants(you/me) would fight"

JESUS is Coming Back = Omega/End Revelation 11:15 - "the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdom of CHRIST"

NOTE: Colossians 1:9-20
the Alpha is BEFORE all things as all things were created by Him and for Him = Genesis
the Omega is the Consummation of "ALL THINGS created By HIM and For HIM" = Revelation

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending , saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come , the Almighty.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end . I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
 

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Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending , saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come , the Almighty.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end . I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
The "Alpha" came to earth as "the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world" = Yes or No
 

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David, I believe we are told where the body of the saints went who came out of their graves AFTER the resurrection of Christ. Since the graves were opened after Christ resurrected, we should not assume these saints appeared bodily to many in the holy city in Jerusalem of this earth.

Matthew 27:51-54 (KJV) And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Although there is nothing written in Scripture to lead us to believe this was a physical resurrection to life again, we do find Scripture that makes it plausible to believe the bodies of saints that arose is the spiritual body of saints who ascended with the Spirit of Christ to the Kingdom of God in heaven.

Revelation 5:8-12 (KJV) And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands; Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

Revelation 6:9-11 (KJV)
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

Revelation 14:1 (KJV)
And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV)
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The spiritual body of saints arose from the graves and went as "spirits of just men made perfect" to "heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels" as living souls in the Kingdom of God in heaven. Because by His cross and resurrection from the dead Christ opened the gates of heaven that all who have been ordained to eternal life could enter in.

Hebrews 12:22-24 (KJV) But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

One can't come out of the tombs bodily, then that mean disembodiment instead. When Jesus came out of His own tomb, He did not come out of there in a disembodied state, He clearly came out of there in a bodily state. 'Bodies' do not equal disembodiment. The text clearly says 'bodies'.

For example. The same Greek word 'soma' that is used for 'bodies' in Matthew 27:52 is also used for 'bodies' per the following.

John 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.


No one, as in absolutely no one, would take 'bodies' in this verse to be meaning disembodiment. The point being, just like I said, literal bodies are meant in Matthew 27:52, not disembodiment. Therefore, since the holy city is obviously meaning the literal city of Jerusalem in Matthew 27:53, this means resurrected saints with new flesh bodies literally went into Jerusalem and appeared to many. The question is, what eventually became of them? What you theorize makes no sense, since literal bodies are meant here, not disembodiment.

Why would anyone think that the literal city Jerusalem is not meant by holy city in Matthew 27:53? Is one going to argue something absurd, that during Christ's resurrection, the literal city of Jerusalem was thousands of miles away somewhere on the other side of the planet? Therefore, the holy city can't mean Jerusalem since Jerusalem was nowhere near where the resurrection took place.
 
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The "Alpha" came to earth as "the Lamb that takes away the sins of the world" = Yes or No

Unless I misunderstood you, it appears to me you indicated that Omega is meaning when the 7th trumpet sounds. Yet, compare with Revelation 21:6 and what I highlighted in purple. The point being, the end can't come, thus the Omega, until after the GWTJ and that 1 Corinthians 15:28 is then fulfilled. The 7th trumpet is not the literal end, is not the Omega. The 7th trumpet leads to the beginning of the millennium, per post trib Premil thinking.
 
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JESUS came the First Time = Alpha/Beginning
"this gospel will be preached in all the world and then the End will Come" = Prophecy

GOSPEL = No earthly reign until the End Comes: "My kingdom is not of this world or My servants(you/me) would fight"

JESUS is Coming Back = Omega/End Revelation 11:15 - "the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdom of CHRIST"

NOTE: Colossians 1:9-20
the Alpha is BEFORE all things as all things were created by Him and for Him = Genesis
the Omega is the Consummation of "ALL THINGS created By HIM and For HIM" = Revelation

It's too bad you will not receive what I've shown you David. But sadly, I'm not really surprised. It's typical of Premillennialists, who will only believe what that which is physical. So, you deny that Christ has already come in His Kingdom, and to prove it He says:

Matthew 12:28 (KJV) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

I'm reminded of the words of exhortation Christ spoke to Simon Peter, who could not know that Christ is the Son of the living God physically, but through spiritual revelation from the Father, he proclaims "Thou are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Matthew 16:16-17 (KJV) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Sadly, Premillennialists, like the unbelieving Pharisees of Old, will only believe what you can physically see. Even though Christ has very plainly told us the Kingdom of God cannot be seen through physical sight, because the Kingdom of God is within you.

John 4:48 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 20:29 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (KJV)
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
 

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Unless I misunderstood you, it appears to me you indicated that Omega is meaning when the 7th trumpet sounds. Yet, compare with Revelation 21:6 and what I highlighted in purple. The point being, the end can't come, thus the Omega, until after the GTWJ and that 1 Corinthians 15:28 is then fulfilled. The 7th trumpet is not the literal end, is not the Omega. The 7th trumpet leads to the beginning of the millennium, per post trib Premil thinking.
100% AGREE with you on 1 Cor 15:28 & Rev ch20 to ch21 = 100% CORRECT

There are at least TWO applications that the LORD/Creator Established for His Glory as HE is the Alpha and Omega.

CHRIST is the Alpha and the Omega over ALL of Creation and His Purposes that are Intrinsic with His Creation.
A.) His Perfect Plan is Genesis to Revelation

In Genesis ch1 we SEE the Alpha/Beginning = Elohim/Spirit/Word Begin The Plan of Salvation for Man
Genesis ch2 is a continuation of ch1/Creation = we see Omega = the Complete Plan of Salvation for Man

In Revelation chapter 1 HE Delcares Who HE IS = Alpha and Omega
In Revelation ch22 HE Reiterates ch1 "I am the Alpha & Omega", but then HE Says "It is DONE"

The WORD/Christ is the Eternal Wisdom of God - the Alpha and the Omega of Creation & Salvation
Acts 15:18 - “Known to God from eternity are
all His works"

B.) When the Word became flesh, Immanuel(God with us) = Alpha = the Gospel(in the Flesh) has Appeared unto all men
When the the Word/JESUS went to the Cross and Fulfilled His Plan, HE Said "IT is Finished" = Omega

C.) Each Soul that the FATHER gives to CHRIST has Christ as his/her Alpha and Christ as his/her Omega

Here is the Alpha and Omega for each Saved Saint = Hebrews 12:1-2
Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

D.) the Law of Moses(given by the LORD) had a Alpha and a Omega
It was given to Moses by the Alpha and it within it is the Omega = "the Law was our tutor to bring us to Christ"

Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

“For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”
“Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”
For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
 

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It's too bad you will not receive what I've shown you David. But sadly, I'm not really surprised. It's typical of Premillennialists, who will only believe what that which is physical. So, you deny that Christ has already come in His Kingdom, and to prove it He says:

Matthew 12:28 (KJV) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

I'm reminded of the words of exhortation Christ spoke to Simon Peter, who could not know that Christ is the Son of the living God physically, but through spiritual revelation from the Father, he proclaims "Thou are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

Matthew 16:16-17 (KJV) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Sadly, Premillennialists, like the unbelieving Pharisees of Old, will only believe what you can physically see. Even though Christ has very plainly told us the Kingdom of God cannot be seen through physical sight, because the Kingdom of God is within you.

John 4:48 (KJV) Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

John 20:29 (KJV) Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

2 Corinthians 5:7 (KJV)
(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
Keep reading and praying and lallow the Holy Spirit to deepen your understanding.
 

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One can't come out of the tombs bodily, then that mean disembodiment instead.

That's right David! None will be resurrected from the grave bodily until an hour that is coming when the last trumpet sounds.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

When Jesus came out of His own tomb, He did not come out of there in a disembodied state, He clearly came out of there in a bodily state. 'Bodies' do not equal disembodiment. The text clearly says 'bodies'.

The miraculous bodily resurrection of Christ was to prove that by His cross Christ had not only made Himself the payment for sin, and also by His resurrection He defeated death.

1 John 2:2 (KJV) And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Hebrews 2:14-15 (KJV) Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Mankind is both a physical body, and a spiritual body to be living souls on earth. But in death man of faith continues to be a living soul in spiritual body without human form that ascends to the Kingdom of God in heaven when the physical body dies. That's why Paul tells us when we are absent from the body we are present with the Lord. He also tells us that when our natural body is sown in death, believers are raised a spiritual body.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV) And the LORD God formed man of the dust [physical body] of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; [spirit] and man became a living soul.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

2 Corinthians 5:8 (KJV) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV) It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Why would anyone think that the literal city Jerusalem is not meant by holy city in Matthew 27:53?

Because the city and temple in Jerusalem of Old ceased to be the holy city with the first advent of Christ. Christ declares Jerusalem desolate even before He went to the cross.

Matthew 23:37-38 (KJV) O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
 
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Keep reading and praying and lallow the Holy Spirit to deepen your understanding.

David, I find this comment offensive! I'm pretty sure that if I or anyone else would imply YOU are not reading and praying, nor following the prompting of the Holy Spirit, you too would be offended. Instead of these offensive remarks prove that what I have shown you is not biblical and also prove that the doctrine of Premillennialists is true! This battle has been on-going since...well...forever, and Premillennialists have still failed to prove what they allege is truth. I know this is true because I came out of this doctrine you now embrace and through study and prayer, asking for guidance from the Spirit of Christ in me, I am convinced the doctrine of Premillennialism is NOT TRUTH!
 

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David, I find this comment offensive! I'm pretty sure that if I or anyone else would imply YOU are not reading and praying, nor following the prompting of the Holy Spirit, you too would be offended. Instead of these offensive remarks prove that what I have shown you is not biblical and also prove that the doctrine of Premillennialists is true! This battle has been on-going since...well...forever, and Premillennialists have still failed to prove what they allege is truth. I know this is true because I came out of this doctrine you now embrace and through study and prayer, asking for guidance from the Spirit of Christ in me, I am convinced the doctrine of Premillennialism is NOT TRUTH!
It's too bad you will not receive what I've shown you David
OFFENSIVE and a False Accusation as i CLEARLY stated that i RECEIVE the TRUTH of Scripture YOU posted

TRUTH and the LOVE of CHRIST = Keep reading and praying and allow the Holy Spirit to deepen your understanding.

Obey the LORD JESUS CHRIST who commanded us to this Salvation = Matt 4:4