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Listen and obey the LORD

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

And to the one who overcomes and continues in My work until the end, I will give authority over the nations.
He will rule them with an iron scepter and shatter them like pottery —just as I have received authority from My Father. And I will give him the morning star.
He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.


His Second Coming = Time to FIGHT
Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter. He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty. And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
When Jesus said "My kingdom is not of this world", He was not saying His kingdom did not yet exist and was not in the world. He was saying His kingdom is not of this world in the same context as when He said He is not of this world and His followers are not of this world. He was in the world and His followers were in the world at the same time that He said they are not of this world. So, not being of this world does not equate to not being in the world.

To not be of this world means to not follow after this world and its evil ways. It means to not be worldly. His kingdom is not of this world and its evil ways, it's of heaven and God's ways. We are in His kingdom now.

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,
 
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Good Morning

Hypothetically i added 40 years to your life thus saying: IF you lived to 96 and yet:
a.) your body would still succumbed to death
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your body is under the Power and Enemy of DEATH = on earth
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the LAST Enemy to be Defeated is DEATH = 1 Cor ch15 and Rev ch20

TRUTH and Facts go together = Christians are not reigning on earth = "My Kingdom is not from here"
His kingdom is not from here, it's from heaven. That doesn't mean His kingdom is not here. Are you not in His kingdom? Have you not been rescued from the dominion of darkness? If you have been, then you have also been brought in to Christ's kingdom. Is Jesus your King right now?

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,

Today, please read Revelation ch11 that you may SEE the TRUTH and the Facts of Christ's Reign
Revelation 11:15 refers to the time when Jesus will deliver the kingdom to the Father, which Paul said will happen when He comes again (1 Corinthians 15:22-24).

Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Read this carefully. It talks about the kingdom (or kingdoms) of the world becoming the kingdom our our Lord and of his Messiah. So, "our Lord" refers to God the Father. And, of course, "his Messiah" refers to Jesus. The fact that it shows God the Father reigning at that point means that Jesus will have delivered the kingdom He is reigning over now to the Father at that point. Jesus said at the end of the age, which is when He will return, the righteous will "shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matt 13:43). So, that also shows that He will be delivering His kingdom to the Father when He returns at the end of the age.
 
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His kingdom is not from here, it's from heaven. That doesn't mean His kingdom is not here. Are you not in His kingdom? Have you not been rescued from the dominion of darkness? If you have been, then you have also been brought in to Christ's kingdom. Is Jesus your King right now?

Colossians 1:12 and giving joyful thanks to the Father, who has qualified you to share in the inheritance of his holy people in the kingdom of light. 13 For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves,


Revelation 11:15 refers to the time when Jesus will deliver the kingdom to the Father, which Paul said will happen when He comes again (1 Corinthians 15:22-24).

Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, which said: “The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Messiah, and he will reign for ever and ever.”

Read this carefully. It talks about the kingdom (or kingdoms) of the world becoming the kingdom our our Lord and of his Messiah. So, "our Lord" refers to God the Father. And, of course, "his Messiah" refers to Jesus. The fact that it shows God the Father reigning at that point means that Jesus will have delivered the kingdom He is reigning over now to the Father at that point. Jesus said at the end of the age, which is when He will return, the righteous will "shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father" (Matt 13:43). So, that also shows that He will be delivering His kingdom to the Father when He returns at the end of the age.
CORRECT = which disproves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that amill is incompatible with Genesis, the Gospel and Revelation and is therefore in the same category as pre-trib rapture
 

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It appears that it doesn't matter to you if the doctrines you embrace force the Word of God to be contradictive nonsense??? o_O
i do not follow doctrines of men

Embrace only the scriptures = Proverbs 30:5-6

amill is not in the scriptures whereas a Literal 1,000 years have been Declared out of the Mouth of God = Matt 4:4
 

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CORRECT = which disproves, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that amill is incompatible with Genesis, the Gospel and Revelation and is therefore in the same category as pre-trib rapture
LOL! What I said 100% supports Amillennialism! So, if you agree that what I said is correct, then you need to become an Amill! I said that Jesus reigns NOW and will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes again and you are saying "CORRECT". How does that support Premill? LOL!

Is Jesus your King right now, David? Have you been rescued from the kingdom of darkness and brought into Christ's kingdom?
 

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LOL! What I said 100% supports Amillennialism! So, if you agree that what I said is correct, then you need to become an Amill! I said that Jesus reigns NOW and will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes again and you are saying "CORRECT". How does that support Premill? LOL!

Is Jesus your King right now, David? Have you been rescued from the kingdom of darkness and brought into Christ's kingdom?
You posted scriptures that are in agreement with all that i posted and expose amill as false - thank you

JESUS Says "MY kingdom is not from here and not now, otherwise MY servants would FIGHT"

Revelation ch11 = CHRIST 2nd Coming = "the kingdoms are given to CHRIST and at that Time HE and His Servants FIGHT"

There does not exist on earth a worldwide 'christian reign' and NEVER has since Genesis and NEVER will until the 2nd Coming of MESSIAH
 

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your faith in dispensationalism give you a false understanding = a counterfeit
Please I am waiting for you to tell me one thing that mainstream dispensationalism teaches is error. you profess to know it is falsehood
 

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Please I am waiting for you to tell me one thing that mainstream dispensationalism teaches is error. you profess to know it is falsehood
Pain in my body last night and today - a little later
 

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Sorry to hear it
Dont worry about it reply when you can
Feel better David
Begin here - John ch1

JESUS was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
 

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You posted scriptures that are in agreement with all that i posted and expose amill as false - thank you
LOL. I showed what those scriptures actually mean. And you responded to my post, which included my commentary by saying "CORRECT". But, now you're trying to just say those scriptures are correct, which we all agree with? LOL. Do you have anything to say about what I said about those scriptures or is that too much to ask?

Is Jesus your King right now?

JESUS Says "MY kingdom is not from here and not now, otherwise MY servants would FIGHT"
He did not say it His kingdom is not now! He was saying that at that time (now) His kingdom that His people were in and that we're still in right now, did not originate from earth, it originated from heaven. Hello? Open your spiritual eyes, David.

Revelation ch11 = CHRIST 2nd Coming = "the kingdoms are given to CHRIST and at that Time HE and His Servants FIGHT"
Read the text more carefully!

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!

Who is "our Lord" in this verse? God the Father. This verse is talking about when the kingdom(s) of the world become the kingdom(s) of God the Father "and of His Christ". Why are you not referencing the fact that God the Father is also mentioned here? It mentions Him there because that is when Jesus will deliver the kingdom He reigns over now to the Father. Scripture teaches that He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes again.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

The end comes when Jesus comes! That is referring to the end of the age. That is when Jesus said the righteous will shine forth in the kingdom of their Father.

Matthew 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Do you have ears to hear, David? Jesus indicated that it will be at the end of this age, which is when He will return (Matt 24:3), that the kingdom will be delivered to the Father and then "the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father". You need to learn to interpret scripture with scripture so that you can then understand what Revelation 11:15 is saying.
 

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LOL. I showed what those scriptures actually mean. And you respond to my post, which included my commentary by saying "CORRECT". But, now you're trying to just say those scriptures are correct, which we all agree with? LOL. Do you have anything to say about what I said about those scriptures or is that too much to ask?

Is Jesus your King right now?


He did not say it His kingdom is not now! He was saying that at that time (now) His kingdom that His people were in and that we're still in right now, did not originate from earth, it originated from heaven. Hello? Open your spiritual eyes, David.


Read the text more carefully!

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The [a]kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!

Who is "our Lord" in this verse? God the Father. This verse is talking about when the kingdom(s) of the world become the kingdom(s) of God the Father "and of His Christ". Why are you not referencing the fact that God the Father is also mentioned here? It mentions Him there because that is when Jesus will deliver the kingdom He reigns over now to the Father. Scripture teaches that He will deliver His kingdom to the Father when He comes again.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.

The end comes when Jesus comes! That is referring to the end of the age. That is when Jesus said the righteous will shine forth in the kingdom of their Father.

Matthew 13:40 Therefore as the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of this age. 41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, 42 and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Do you have ears to hear, David? Jesus indicated that it will be at the end of this age, which is when He will return (Matt 24:3), that the kingdom will be delivered to the Father and then "the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father". You need to learn to interpret scripture with scripture so that you can then understand what Revelation 11:15 is saying.
The scriptures are correct and only support exactly what they Speak = no Reign of Christ on earth until the 2nd Coming

If Christ were reigning on earth right Now/Today = Not a single saint would be suffering and dying.
The curse of Death remains in our physical bodies:
a.) Death is Ruling on earth right now
b.) Sickness and Disease are ruling on earth right now
c.) Lawlessness is ruling on earth right now
d.) Satan and his angels own this "age" and will not relinquish it until the 2nd Coming

Revelation chapters 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 19 and 20 prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that CHRIST has not Returned and Set up His Kingdom on earth as Prophesied/Promised.

But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.
Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world

Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea!
For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness
 
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The scriptures are correct and only support exactly what they Speak = no Reign of Christ on earth until the 2nd Coming

If Christ were reigning on earth right Now/Today = Not a single saint would be suffering and dying.
The curse of Death remains in our physical bodies:
a.) Death is Ruling on earth right now
b.) Sickness and Disease are ruling on earth right now
c.) Lawlessness is ruling on earth right now
d.) Satan and his angels own this "age" and will not relinquish it until the 2nd Coming

Revelation chapters 6, 7, 11, 12, 13, 19 and 20 prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that CHRIST has not Returned and Set up His Kingdom on earth as Prophesied/Promised.
I have not said that Christ has already returned, so you're arguing with a strawman. He has been reigning at the right hand of the Father since His resurrection and ascension, as these scriptures clearly show...

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church,


Tell me, David, do you accept what Jesus said when He said after His resurrection "all authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth"?

Tell me, David, do you agree with Paul that when Jesus was raised from the dead and then was seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven that He was then "far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named" because God the Father had "put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church"?

Your understanding of Christ's reign is no different than what the Pharisees expected the Messiah to do. Think about that. Your understanding of His reign is flawed. If Jesus doesn't reign now, then would you say that God has never reigned over the earth since His people have been dying from the beginning of creation? Your criteria for reigning appears to be that there can't be any suffering and dying during that time. So, I have to assume that you think God Himself has never reigned over the earth at any time since there has been suffering and death basically from the beginning of the creation of the earth.
 

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I have not said that Christ has already returned, so you're arguing with a strawman. He has been reigning at the right hand of the Father since His resurrection and ascension, as these scriptures clearly show...

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of His power toward us who believe, according to the working of His mighty power 20 which He worked in Christ when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, 21 far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in that which is to come.
22 And He put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church,


Tell me, David, do you accept what Jesus said when He said after His resurrection "all authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth"?

Tell me, David, do you agree with Paul that when Jesus was raised from the dead and then was seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven that He was then "far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named" because God the Father had "put all things under His feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church"?

Your understanding of Christ's reign is no different than what the Pharisees expected the Messiah to do. Think about that. Your understanding of His reign is flawed. If Jesus doesn't reign now, then would you say that God has never reigned over the earth since His people have been dying from the beginning of creation? Your criteria for reigning appears to be that there can't be any suffering and dying during that time. So, I have to assume that you think God Himself has never reigned over the earth at any time since there has been suffering and death basically from the beginning of the creation of the earth.
CHRIST must remain at the Right Hand of the FATHER for our Salvation as HE is the MElchizedek High Priest making Intercession on our behalf.

When all whom the FATHER brings to CHRIST is Accomplished/Completed , then the FATHER will say to the LORD = Go Now & FIGHT
 

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CHRIST must remain at the Right Hand of the FATHER for our Salvation as HE is the MElchizedek High Priest making Intercession on our behalf.

When all whom the FATHER brings to CHRIST is Accomplished/Completed , then the FATHER will say to the LORD = Go Now & FIGHT
Is it too hard for you to actually address my points and answer my questions? Your lack of willingness to do so is very telling!

Do you believe that Jesus currently has all authority in heaven and earth as He said He did or not? Yes or no?

Do you believe that God the Father put all things under Christ's feet while placing Him far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named" after His resurrection or not? Yes or no?
 

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Begin here - John ch1

JESUS was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: 13who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Sorry David but I dont get how this is a start to refuting dispensational teaching.

If its too painful to type, wait til you are better and can respond at your best
 

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Sorry David but I dont get how this is a start to refuting dispensational teaching.

If its too painful to type, wait til you are better and can respond at your best
Had my second cup of coffee and it helps with the pain.

Good Organic coffee has some anti-inflammatory oils in it.

But i have to go for now.

Doug, let me let you in on a hidden KEY that assists us in revealing 'Gems' from the Holy Scriptures = Prov 30:5-6
Very few 'christians' know of this KEY and most overlook it.
 
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Is it too hard for you to actually address my points and answer my questions? Your lack of willingness to do so is very telling!

Do you believe that Jesus currently has all authority in heaven and earth as He said He did or not? Yes or no?

Do you believe that God the Father put all things under Christ's feet while placing Him far above all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named" after His resurrection or not? Yes or no?
OK, let's go with a AMEN to "JESUS has all Authority"

the LORD openly defeated satan and the powers of Darkness - AMEN

YET, the LORD has not YET/not now/not today, excersised His POWER in Heaven, with His Holy Angels, to come to earth and cast out satan from the earth and lock him up = Rev 20:1-3

The PROOF is in the TRUTH
 
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OK, let's go with a AMEN to "JESUS has all Authority"

teh LORD openly defeated satan and the powers of Darkness - AMEN
Glad we can agree on that, at least. If only you understood that is what Revelation 20 is about. Ask God for wisdom about this (James 1:5-7).

YET, the LORD has not YET/not now/not today, excersised His POWER in Heaven, with His Holy Angels, to come to earth and cast out satan from the earth and lock him up = Rev 20:1-3
Jesus defeating Satan and the powers of darkness relates directly to the binding of Satan, but you just are not discerning that.

As for Jesus exercising His power, what do you think, that He is just completely inactive on earth? Are you aware that the Holy Spirit is also called "The Spirit of Christ" and that He dwells in us and is the One who convicts people of their sins? Do you think the Holy Spirit is not active on earth?

The PROOF is in the TRUTH
Exactly, and you have yet to understand the TRUTH of Amillennialism.