I will spew you out of my Mouth

[afaithfulone4u]

Ps 119:41 Let thy mercies come also unto me, O LORD, even thy salvation, according to thy word.
42 So shall I have wherewith to answer him that reproacheth me: for I trust in thy word.
43 And take not the word of truth utterly out of my mouth; for I have hoped in thy judgments.
44 So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever.
45 And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
46 I will speak of thy testimonies also before kings, and will not be ashamed.
47 And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved.
48 My hands also will I lift up unto thy commandments, which I have loved; and I will meditate in thy statutes.
KJV

God Almighty is Soveriegn in this earth and over the clay. He can form His man in any fashion He chooses. But, He will never take one who has a heart for His Word and force upon their will to sin against Him by rejecting His Word as Truth. As we see in the Psalms, David who has a heart for God, knows the importance of keeping The Word or Lord Jesus Christ close to his heart and coming out of his mouth for it is the Word of life and health to all our flesh for those who are blessed by Him.

However it is God who searches the hearts of men and it is He who draws us to His Word so that we can be saved by abiding in the Word and the Word abiding in us. For no man can come to the Father but by accepting the Son and no one can come to the Word unless the Father draws them to the Son.
John 6:44
44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
KJV
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
KJV


So if we do not continually stay hot for the Word desiring God's Love over everyone else or thing, staying faithful to Christ in thoughts and actions having the seal of approval being the Word in our foreheads(minds/hearts) and hands (actions producing good fruit) then God will spew us out of Christ, His Mouth, His Voice, His Word and take the Word away from us and when that happens, we become ungodly back unto the image of the beast from which we started before we were saved. Don't let that happen to you.

Seek to understand the will of God, which is His Word, for every situtation in life and God will use you and reward you outright, for He seeks those who ask Him to Give them the desires of their heart... Hear me correctly... I did not say He seeks those who ask for Him to grant them their desires... I said He seeks those who seek for HIM to put in them the desires that please Him so that He can now bless them with favor in life for seeking Wisdom before things!

The world seeks after things and they are in LACK of wisdom and are being destroyed. God knows we have need of things, but He wants us to know that things are nothing without His wisdom. And His Word promises that when we walk with wisdom then comes the physical things in time, as we grow from a child on milk of the Word to a full grown son having been feeding on the meat of the Word to be made into his image being joint-heirs of all that is the Father's. It is all His!


Rev 3:15-16
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
KJV

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[williemac]

So if we do not continually stay hot for the Word desiring God's Love over everyone else or thing, staying faithful to Christ in thoughts and actions having the seal of approval being the Word in our foreheads(minds/hearts) and hands (actions producing good fruit) then God will spew us out of Christ, His Mouth, His Voice, His Word and take the Word away from us and when that happens, we become ungodly back unto the image of the beast from which we started before we were saved. Don't let that happen to you.

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Rev 3:15-16
15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
KJV

KJV

This is the most absurd conclusion I have seen concerning the lukewarm church. It is not for us to decide what constitutes hot and cold by our own opinion. The passage in Rev.3 is the only place we can refer to in regards to lukewarmness.

If one reads through it, Jesus does not apply that term to what this post is applying it to. Not at all. He speaks of a solution to their lukewarmness. He counsels them to buy from Him gold that is refined in the fire, that they may be rich, and garments that are white that they may be clothed, and eye salve, that they may see. These things that are missing are they which make them lukewarm.

Furthermore, Jesus then gives them the way to get all these things. He reveals that, in Rev.3:20...." Behold, I stand at the door and knock". In the next verse He reveals the result of them opening the door; He would come into them and sup with them and they with He.
This, then is what makes one lukewarm in Jesus' eyes; They were not cold, because they had His name. They were not hot, because they were without His presence within them through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Thus they were missing all those things that the Holy Spirit brings into one's life; the things mentioned by Jesus.

The "hot" comes from His indwelling presence, and not from whatever you or anyone else decides one must be doing.

Jesus wants to fill His church with His presence and power. There will be no spewing out of God's mouth for a deficiency or weakness in the above post's mentioned items. This is about relationship with God, not man's personal performance for approval.

 

[Arnie Manitoba]

afaithfulone4u
i think ur the one doin' the spewn'

 

[Rex]

This is the most absurd conclusion I have seen concerning the lukewarm church. It is not for us to decide what constitutes hot and cold by our own opinion. The passage in Rev.3 is the only place we can refer to in regards to lukewarmness.

If one reads through it, Jesus does not apply that term to what this post is applying it to. Not at all. He speaks of a solution to their lukewarmness. He counsels them to buy from Him gold that is refined in the fire, that they may be rich, and garments that are white that they may be clothed, and eye salve, that they may see. These things that are missing are they which make them lukewarm.

Furthermore, Jesus then gives them the way to get all these things. He reveals that, in Rev.3:20...." Behold, I stand at the door and knock". In the next verse He reveals the result of them opening the door; He would come into them and sup with them and they with He.
This, then is what makes one lukewarm in Jesus' eyes; They were not cold, because they had His name. They were not hot, because they were without His presence within them through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Thus they were missing all those things that the Holy Spirit brings into one's life; the things mentioned by Jesus.

The "hot" comes from His indwelling presence, and not from whatever you or anyone else decides one must be doing.

Jesus wants to fill His church with His presence and power. There will be no spewing out of God's mouth for a deficiency or weakness in the above post's mentioned items. This is about relationship with God, not man's personal performance for approval.

So you won't finish the debate about the same verse in another thread with me, instead you come over hear and make your works have no meaning case to a nice lady that expresses herself and really doesn't care if anyone replies or not. You told me you were 59 a deacon an elder a bible study leader, your looking a lot like a little boy that wants to avoid the topic of the luke warm church with me, then goes away to bully someone else, man up williemac

 

[williemac]

So you won't finish the debate about the same verse in another thread with me, instead you come over hear and make your works have no meaning case to a nice lady that expresses herself and really doesn't care if anyone replies or not. You told me you were 59 a deacon an elder a bible study leader, your looking a lot like a little boy that wants to avoid the topic of the luke warm church with me, then goes away to bully someone else, man up williemac

This reply here was made before the one you are referring to where I shared my age. I think you need to take a pill, my friend. If you want to get serious with me on an issue, then get your facts straight rather than making slanderous comments about my character.

In fact, you seem to be ok with a 'nice lady' who doesn't engage with others and then you criticize me for (apparently) doing the same with you. But why do you think I have no intention of carrying on? It's quite possible you have more time to spend on this site than I do these days, so I suggest you have a little more patience and a little less character bashing....unless you feel that is Christ's instruction for you to do (yeh, right)

 

[Rex]

This reply here was made before the one you are referring to where I shared my age. I think you need to take a pill, my friend. If you want to get serious with me on an issue, then get your facts straight rather than making slanderous comments about my character.

In fact, you seem to be ok with a 'nice lady' who doesn't engage with others and then you criticize me for (apparently) doing the same with you. But why do you think I have no intention of carrying on? It's quite possible you have more time to spend on this site than I do these days, so I suggest you have a little more patience and a little less character bashing....unless you feel that is Christ's instruction for you to do (yeh, right)

You replied to this post after you dodged my addressing your reference to Rev 3 in the other thread.
You have continued to avoid the topic you started as evidence works is dead, in that it is in the case of salvation. But works are not dead to those who are lead by the Spirit. It is the works after salvation that is gold refined in the fire.

You avoided commenting yesterday at 10:55 AM by my time settings, it may be different but its clear you avoided commenting before your post in this thread.
Here is the post

That is a long reply. I will not bother to make an equally long comment on each point. Only to say that more than some of the references refer to the command to come to Him for salvation in the first place, so are not directed at the believer.... and others are just flat out -out of context. As well, many of the examples given are not called commands and do not come across as such.

You continued to avoid to topic of Rev 3 you quoted and instead came here and commented

This is the most absurd conclusion I have seen concerning the lukewarm church. It is not for us to decide what constitutes hot and cold by our own opinion. The passage in Rev.3 is the only place we can refer to in regards to lukewarmness.

If one reads through it, Jesus does not apply that term to what this post is applying it to. Not at all. He speaks of a solution to their lukewarmness. He counsels them to buy from Him gold that is refined in the fire, that they may be rich, and garments that are white that they may be clothed, and eye salve, that they may see. These things that are missing are they which make them lukewarm.

Furthermore, Jesus then gives them the way to get all these things. He reveals that, in Rev.3:20...." Behold, I stand at the door and knock". In the next verse He reveals the result of them opening the door; He would come into them and sup with them and they with He.
This, then is what makes one lukewarm in Jesus' eyes; They were not cold, because they had His name. They were not hot, because they were without His presence within them through the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Thus they were missing all those things that the Holy Spirit brings into one's life; the things mentioned by Jesus.

The "hot" comes from His indwelling presence, and not from whatever you or anyone else decides one must be doing.

Jesus wants to fill His church with His presence and power. There will be no spewing out of God's mouth for a deficiency or weakness in the above post's mentioned items. This is about relationship with God, not man's personal performance for approval.

Its pretty clear what you are teaching believers
When Rev 3:14 to the church at Laodicea opens with "15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot:"

This is the most absurd conclusion I have seen concerning the lukewarm church.
This is about relationship with God, not man's personal performance for approval.

The letter my very well have been written to you.


18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

 

[williemac]

18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” And he was called the friend of God. 24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.

I hope that you can sense that I am approaching subjects like these with passion rather than with rejection.
I replied to your commentary on the Lukewarm church this morning. I will reply to this post before I go to that thread.

I find it intersting that you used this passage and even impressed that you did not seperate the context, but included most of it.
I'm not sure what point you are making with it, but I would like to comment on the point that the passage is making. In his letter to the 12 tribes that were scattered abroad, James was commenting on his observations concerning many of them. In ch.2, his exhortation begins with telling them not to be partial. He then gives examples of how they were treating some better than others based on appearences.. in vs.8, he mentions the royal law which is to love your neighbour as yourself. In vs.9..."but if you show partiality, you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.(10) For whoever keeps the whole law and stumbles on any one point, he is guilty of all".

James is reminding them of that which they were familiar with in order to convince them to be consistant in thier treatment of others, not showing partiality. So then, this leads to the part of the letter that you shared. Here they were, presenting themselves as they who are of the faith, but James was questioning it based on what he was seeing. But what was he seeing? He was not seeing a real genuine satisfactory, consistant love flowing from many of them.

Now we know that the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. And we also know that these are not within us from the beginning, but come to us through the new birth and empowered by the Holy Spirit. And we know that we receive these through faith. So I don't think we ought to be putting the cart before the horse.

If there seems to be a lack of fruit, then it is right to question the existence of that which bears the fruit. So then it is right to check and make sure there was a receiving of the spirit by faith. The progression is what it is. One cannot say he has faith and then go about living his life. The point of faith is that it is a means by which we receive life and righteousness from God.

Now, was James telling them that they did not have faith? Not necessarily.But he was surely making a strong case for good works.
I can certainly agree with making such a case. I don't have a problem with it at all. But running through the church like a bull in a china shop will not accomplish anything but building big walls. In fact, this in itself is contradictory to the message of the royal law.

By that, I mean if we understand that the context of James was to promote works of love, then we should follow suit and use love to promote love. Instead I see the opposite. I will respond every time the same way to any message that uses threats of hell and damnation in order to promote love and acceptance. This is what I see as the personification of the failure to grasp the concept. The works James was referring to was love for your neighbour. But I can say with all sincerity that with many of these threads of condemnation, I am certainly not feeling the love!!! My response comes from grief, not anger. It comes from zeal, not rejection.

I find it sadly ironic that I am being called a bully by yourself. I know who the enemy is, that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. I wish I could say the same for everyone.

 

[Rex]

I hope that you can sense that I am approaching subjects like these with passion rather than with rejection.
I replied to your commentary on the Lukewarm church this morning. I will reply to this post before I go to that thread.

I find it intersting that you used this passage and even impressed that you did not seperate the context, but included most of it.
I'm not sure what point you are making with it, but I would like to comment on the point that the passage is making. In his letter to the 12 tribes that were scattered abroad, James was commenting on his observations concerning many of them. In ch.2, his exhortation begins with telling them not to be partial. He then gives examples of how they were treating some better than others based on appearences.. in vs.8, he mentions the royal law which is to love your neighbour as yourself. In vs.9..."but if you show partiality, you commit sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.(10) For whoever keeps the whole law and stumbles on any one point, he is guilty of all".

James is reminding them of that which they were familiar with in order to convince them to be consistant in thier treatment of others, not showing partiality. So then, this leads to the part of the letter that you shared. Here they were, presenting themselves as they who are of the faith, but James was questioning it based on what he was seeing. But what was he seeing? He was not seeing a real genuine satisfactory, consistant love flowing from many of them.

Now we know that the fruit of the spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self control. And we also know that these are not within us from the beginning, but come to us through the new birth and empowered by the Holy Spirit. And we know that we receive these through faith. So I don't think we ought to be putting the cart before the horse.

If there seems to be a lack of fruit, then it is right to question the existence of that which bears the fruit. So then it is right to check and make sure there was a receiving of the spirit by faith. The progression is what it is. One cannot say he has faith and then go about living his life. The point of faith is that it is a means by which we receive life and righteousness from God.

Now, was James telling them that they did not have faith? Not necessarily.But he was surely making a strong case for good works.
I can certainly agree with making such a case. I don't have a problem with it at all. But running through the church like a bull in a china shop will not accomplish anything but building big walls. In fact, this in itself is contradictory to the message of the royal law.

By that, I mean if we understand that the context of James was to promote works of love, then we should follow suit and use love to promote love. Instead I see the opposite. I will respond every time the same way to any message that uses threats of hell and damnation in order to promote love and acceptance. This is what I see as the personification of the failure to grasp the concept. The works James was referring to was love for your neighbour. But I can say with all sincerity that with many of these threads of condemnation, I am certainly not feeling the love!!! My response comes from grief, not anger. It comes from zeal, not rejection.

I find it sadly ironic that I am being called a bully by yourself. I know who the enemy is, that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood. I wish I could say the same for everyone.

http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/17829-is-there-relationship-with-the-godhead-if-we-dont-come-under-gods-authority/#entry187132

 

[SilenceInMotion]

I will spew you out of my Mouth

You could always take the literal route: In Dante's Inferno, you were literally spewed from the mouth into whatever circle of Hell you deserved to be in. Literally.

Dante was one crazy man. The brilliant kind of crazy, but still crazy :)