Idolators Mock the Godhead

[robert derrick]

I don't mock the biblical Godhead. What i refuse to do is acknowledge the pagan triune gods of counterfeit Christianity as God. Trinitarians are basically like the Ephesians who ran around shouting "great is Diana of the Ephesians!" like nutcases when Paul was teaching people about the true Godhead.

Trinitarians are the idolaters because they subscribe to a false idea of God that came from Babylon, as well as rejecting the God and Jesus that the Bible reveals. There is a mountain of evidence that shows no apostle ever taught such a doctrine(in John's case, he even spent his epistles, gospel account, and Revelation teaching against it), and trinitarians still insist on finding inventive ways to make the Bible appear to support this obviously false doctrine.

The faithful adherence to the trinity doctrine only serves to prove what John wrote in Rev. 17 true about how the Babylonian churches of this world have made the world drunk by passing their false doctrines off as "Christian". If the trinity was biblical, then there would be 3 Beings mentioned in John 1:1 as God since it chronological takes place before the angels and the physical universe were created. And yet it doesn't. Why? Because the Holy Spirit is not a God. As the angel Gabriel clearly mentions in Luk. 1:35, it is the power that allows God to exercise His will. That's why Jesus consistently refers to it as water in John's gospel account.

Do you know God? Do you know Jesus Christ?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Deut 32:39 says not.

Exactly Rob, that one is the God the Word was with in Jn 1:1. Great call sir.

 

[robert derrick]

Exactly Rob, that one is the God the Word was with in Jn 1:1. Great call sir.

True, God the Word was with God in the beginning.

There was no god the word with Him.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The Trinity is taught in Scripture.
Jesus is God.
These are basics tenets of Christianity.

1 John 5:7 KJB says,
“For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”

John 1:1 says,
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”

John 1:3
“All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

John 1:14
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,…”

1 Timothy 3:16
“ God was manifest in the flesh,…”

John 6:38
“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”

 

[Robert Gwin]

True, God the Word was with God in the beginning.

There was no god the word with Him.

No sir, it says the Word was with God, not the way you quoted it. I believe fully it is best not to alter passages.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Reading problems here.

John 1:1 says,
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.”

The Word WAS God.

The Word = God.

This makes sense because 1 Timothy 3:16 says that God was manifest in the flesh.
In other words, if we were to read the Bible like a child, and just read it, and believe it, will easily conclude that Jesus is God (Just based on John 1:1, John 1:3, John 1:14, and 1 Timothy 3:16).

 

[Bible Highlighter]

The Trinity:

The Bible teaches that there is one God (Deuteronomy 6:4) (1 Timothy 2:5) (Isaiah 45:5).

Yet, the Bible also teaches that there are distinctions within the Godhead or that there is a plural nature to God.

Here are a just a few of them:

#1. The word Elohim (אֱלֹהִ֔ים) is both a singular and a plural noun.
#2. God refers to Himself in plural form (Genesis 1:26) (Genesis 3:22) (Genesis 11:7) (Isaiah 6:8).
#3. Plurality of God in New Testament (Matthew 28:19) (2 Corinthians 13:14) (John 14:16-20).
#4. Introductions to both the Son & Holy Spirit (Daniel 7:9-10, Daniel 7:13-14) (John 14:16)
#5. Different persons of Godhead appear at one time (Luke 3:21-22)
#6. Distinctions of Wills (Luke 22:42).
#7. Conversations Between the Godhead (Psalms 2:1-12) (Psalms 45:6-7) (Psalms 110:1) (Matthew 11:27) (John 17:24).​

#1. Some Quick Points in Defense of the Trinity:

(a) Trinity told to us one verse.
(b) Godhead (Trinity) found in the invisible things within the creation of the world.
(c) The word “Godhead” (meaning Trinity) appears three times in the King James Bible.
(d) Jesus had power as God during His earthly ministry.
(e) God purchased us with His own blood.
(f) There is no Savior besides (or next to) God.
(g) Holy Spirit is God
(This includes the Holy Spirit being described as a person)
(This includes the Father sending the Holy Spirit).​

#2. Jesus Pre-Incarnate Appearances in the Old Testament (and He is called God).

#3. There is a Symbiotic Relationship Between Jesus and God’s Word (like: Scripture).

#4. 160 Reasons Jesus is God (Part 1).

#5. 160 Reasons Jesus is God (Part 2).

 

[robert derrick]

Jn 1:1 leads off with In the beginning. The beginning is the start of creation Chris. The verse points out that Jesus was with God at the start. Jesus was created however as the Bible points out at Rev 3:14, and since he was the only creation done exclusively by Jehovah, Jesus is referred to as the only-begotten from among all of God's sons. Jesus being the master craftsman Pro 8:30 had a hand in everything else that was created, brought forth through him, and actually for him as well. Col 1:16 Likely that is why Jesus is so very dedicated in bringing everything back in harmony with the original purpose and then hands it back to his God 1 Cor 15:24

There is no doctrinal integrity, when Scripture any Scripture is ignored to teach it.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

We know a false doctrine, when certain Scriptures must be twisted or ignored altogether to teach it.

 

[robert derrick]

I don't mock the biblical Godhead. What i refuse to do is acknowledge the pagan triune gods of counterfeit Christianity as God.

That would be those teaching the word was a god with God, which the LORD denounces, since there was no god with Him.

The created christ of men are worshipping a pagan cult hero of a man they call Jesus.

They idolize their false christ as the last great deified to be worshipped in the manner of Herakles.

 

[Robert Gwin]

There is no doctrinal integrity, when Scripture any Scripture is ignored to teach it.

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

We know a false doctrine, when certain Scriptures must be twisted or ignored altogether to teachit.

Fully agree Rob, Jehovah is the one who Jesus was asking to glorify him, but one more verse to show the distinction between them. Christians definitely know false doctrine and when people twist scripture. Great reply sir.