If churches are failing, how can they be improved

[Lizbeth]

Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. ​

Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, ​

and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads ​

or their hands. ​

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They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life ​

until the thousand years were ended. ​

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This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the ​

second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for ​

a thousand years." ​

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Revelation 20:4-6​

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A "thousand years." It has been 2000 years since he was crucified and resurrected.

You have a serious problem with denial, sir.

A thousand years is as a day..........and a day is as a thousand years. So it's not a literal number. I believe it signifies an age, the completion of an age.

We're told in scripture to compare spiritual with spiritual. The Word made flesh - Jesus - speaks to us in parables. Allegories/types/shadows. The bible is a spiritual book of spiritual truths and lessons, and we need the Holy Spirit's illumination of what the Word made flesh (Jesus) is speaking to us through it. (The bible says to lean not to our own understanding and that the things of God are spiritually discerned....so we need to rely on the Lord, His Spirit, for understanding.)

Paul wrote concerning "Israel after the flesh", that "these things happened unto them and were written as ensamples for our admonition". (the church's ensample.....made up of both Jew and Gentile believers, one new man.) In other words, Israel after the flesh in scripture was a kind of living allegory/parable for "the Israel of God".

For example, in place of the Old Testament there are prophecies concerning Israel being "gathered" and returning to the land, and references also to Gentiles joining with them.........this gathering and returning to the land is alluding to and foretelling of the "Israel of God" being gathered to the Messiah and His gospel. Jesus is the Shepherd gathering His sheep and the promised land is an allegory or type for the kingdom of God. Similarly, references to Jerusalem and Zion are often speaking of the Jerusalem that is above who is our mother, and heavenly Zion. Try and "see" these scriptures allegorically:

Isa 40:11
He shall feed his flock like a shepherd: he shall gather the lambs with his arm, and carry them in his bosom, and shall gently lead those that are with young.

Isa 43:5
Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

Isa 49:18
Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.

Isa 54:7
For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee.

Isa 54:15
Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake.

Isa 56:8
The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.

Isa 60:4
Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.

Jhn 11:52
And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

Jhn 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The religious Jewish leaders of His day were expecting a flesh and blood military/political conquering king to rescue Israel from the clutches of Rome and set up His own earthly kingdom. Jesus was correcting this erroneous mindset when He said "My kingdom cometh not with observation that you may say lo here it is, or there...my kingdom is not of this world but is within you." His kingdom is heavenly/spiritual, not earthly. Believing in and looking for an earthly kingdom caused most of the Jews to reject Jesus as Messiah. I fear that believing in and looking for an earthly kingdom at the end of this age is going to trip many up again, both Jews and Christians, and cause them to receive someone coming in his own name who will appear to be able to deliver on that earthly utopian kingdom.

2Peter 3 says that this world and everything in it will burn up at the return of Christ/Messiah and that we are to look for a "new" heavens and "new" earth. New and renew in scripture refers to something spiritual/heavenly, made new and no longer earthly. It also says that the thousands years is the time of longsuffering which we are to account as salvation....the time/age in which souls may be saved.

Consider also that 1 Cor. 15 says Jesus will hand the kingdom back over to the Father at His return, that God may be all in all.........so after His return and the events surrounding that, wrath poured out, Jesus will not be reigning Himself any longer, per se (except insofar as He is God).

Revelation is chock full of allegory, much of it from the OT, especially Daniel, and not easy to parse.....but one thing I know for sure, a correct understanding will not contradict the scriptures that were written before Rev was....especially to my knowledge, those 2 Peter 3 and 1 Cor. 15 passages.

I pray and hope you will find this helpful and that the Lord will give you His illumination, as He was gracious to open my eyes to these things.

 

[GeneZ]

Eliminate topical sermons. I don't know exactly when/where they started, but they are simply inferior to Scriptural homilies.

To put it another way - the value of memorizing Scripture for yourself is greater than the value of your pastor telling you what Scripture says.

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[GeneZ]

A thousand years is as a day..........and a day is as a thousand years. So it's not a literal number. I believe it signifies an age, the completion of an age.

What has that got to do with an actual 1000 years?

Perhaps too God, it may seem like a day. But, it is still 1000 years when the Bible tells you it will be 1000 years,

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

More Absurdity for the Lurkers to Reflect On…

Scofieldism made the world forget that Christianity is Jewish — that Jesus was a Jew, all the apostles were Jews, and the early Church was almost entirely Jewish believers who recognized Him as the Messiah.

The Gospel didn’t start in a Chicago suburb with the lily-white Gentile family from the movie Home Alone reenacting a manger scene.
But thanks to Scofield, that’s what 90% of modern Christians now passively believe.

It started in Jerusalem — with blood, fire, and the Holy Spirit.

Not suburban nativity plays.
Not prophecy charts.
Not Gentile megachurches with Torah-themed stage sets.

It started with a Jewish Messiah, a torn veil, and a Kingdom not of this world.

But in 1909, backed by Rockefeller money, Oxford and a world marching toward back-to-back world wars, Scofield dropped a theological nuke. He flipped the script.

He severed the Church from its Jewish roots in Christ…
…while simultaneously telling modern, Christ-rejecting Jews they were still “chosen.”
(Endangering their eternal souls in the process.)

And with war, The Depression, and a nation desperate for meaning — America bought it.

Hook, line, and Scofield.

There’s nothing anyone can say to undo these historical facts.

If you just woke up to them…

Welcome to the Scofield party from Hell.
We’ve been waiting for you to finally wake up.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

What has that got to do with an actual 1000 years?

Perhaps too God, it may seem like a day. But, it is still 1000 years when the Bible tells you it will be 1000 years,

So you believe that when Jesus comes back, He’ll literally have a 10,000-foot sword sticking out of His mouth?

You’re reading ancient Hebrew apocalyptic poetry like it’s a newspaper, a blood test, or a tax return.
You don’t understand prophetic symbolism — and Scofield (intentionally and by design) made sure you never would.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

This is a cosmic battle between Jews.
The rebellious Old Covenant Jews who refuse to follow the King…
And the New Covenant Jews who do; the ones who follow Christ, the true King of the Jews.

That's why they call themselves "Christians"; they follow the KING.

This isn’t "Jew vs. Gentile".
It’s Old Covenant rebellion vs. New Covenant obedience.
One rejects the King.
The other follows Him.

It’s that simple, and there’s nothing else to it.

Everything else is the Dragon’s deception.

 

[GeneZ]

More Absurdity for the Lurkers to Reflect On…

Scofieldism made the world forget that Christianity is Jewish — that Jesus was a Jew, all the apostles were Jews, and the early Church was almost entirely Jewish believers who recognized Him as the Messiah.

You really hate that Jesus was a rabbi.

David Dukes of the world HATE THAT!

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You really hate that Jesus was a rabbi.

David Dukes of the world HATE THAT!

You’re completely unhinged and once again, running from the truth like an Olympic gold medalist.

So… because I said Jesus was a Jew, and that Scofield lied about who’s truly chosen, you’re now comparing me to David Duke?

That’s not theology, that’s slander.
And it proves you’ve got no argument left; zip, zilch..

You do realize I literally said the early Church was Jewish and Jesus is the Jewish Messiah, right?
That’s the opposite of hate, it’s called truth.

The only thing I “hate” is false doctrine, especially the kind that tells Christ-rejecters they’re still "chosen" which puts their souls in eternal danger. And I hate it because I follow the New Testament, and that’s exactly what Paul and the apostles taught.

If that offends you?
Take it up with the apostles, not me.

This right here is what's so terrifying.. The brainwashed dispensationalists look at the New Testament verses & quotes directly from JESUS CHRIST and Paul and scream - "Hitler!!! Nazi!!! David Duke!!!" Not only that… but they can’t refute a single one of those verses.

Not one.

The entire New Testament exposes their false doctrine and they know it.
They literally live in a permanent state of cognitive dissonance under the veil.

It’s chilling… and frankly, terrifying, what Scofield, the Rothschilds, Oxford, and Rockefeller's have done.

This is what makes it like a real life, sci-fi horror film...

A misled flock of Jews and Christians screaming: “You’re an antisemitic monster!”
…for quoting the King of the Jews and His Jewish apostles.

It’s absolutely surreal.

 

[Lizbeth]

What has that got to do with an actual 1000 years?

Perhaps too God, it may seem like a day. But, it is still 1000 years when the Bible tells you it will be 1000 years,

Read 2 Peter 3....it tells us what the thousand years is. It's an indeterminate time/age of God's longsuffering and grace....the age we're living in now. Because no man knows the day or the hour it will end. It's the time we are to account as salvation....a time so long that men will be mocking and saying where is the promise of His coming, and ignoring the lesson of Noah's flood.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

According to the Dispensationalists out in Dallas, here’s a full list of all the antisemitic monsters, Nazis, and supposed David Duke disciples…

All because they believe and declare what the New Testament itself says; that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and the only way to the Father, and that rejecting Him is rejecting the covenant:

Are you ready for the full list of antisemitic "Nazi's from Hell"? Here we go...

God the Father
God the Holy Spirit
The angel Gabriel
Zechariah
Elizabeth
Mary (mother of Jesus)
Joseph (earthly father of Jesus)
Jesus Christ
John the Baptist
Anna the Prophetess
Simeon
The demons (unwillingly)
Peter
James
John (the apostle)
Andrew
Philip
Nathaniel
Thomas
Matthew
Bartholomew
Simon the Zealot
Jude (Thaddeus)
James (son of Alphaeus)
The 72 disciples
Martha (sister of Lazarus)
Mary Magdalene
The Samaritan woman at the well
The man born blind
The thief on the cross
The centurion at the cross
The angel at the tomb
The multitude of early Jewish believers in Acts
Stephen
Ananias (disciple in Damascus)
Paul (Saul of Tarsus)
Barnabas
Philip the Evangelist
The Ethiopian eunuch
Silas
Timothy
Titus
Apollos
The writer of Hebrews
The writer of Revelation (John)
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Daniel
Micah
Zechariah (prophet)
Malachi
Clement
Ignatius
Polycarp
Justin Martyr
Irenaeus
Tertullian
Origen
Cyprian
Eusebius of Caesarea
Athanasius
The Desert Fathers
Basil the Great
Ambrose
Jerome
Chrysostom
Augustine
The early Celtic Church
Gregory the Great
The Waldensians
The early Orthodox Christians
The Anabaptists
The Reformers (Luther, Calvin, or Zwingli)
The Puritans
The Geneva Bible translators
The Huguenots
The Scottish Covenanters
The Moravians
Jonathan Edwards
Charles Spurgeon
The early American revivalists
Martyrs under Roman persecution
Underground churches behind the Iron Curtain
Underground churches in China
The Church at Antioch (Paul, Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, and more)
Priscilla and Aquila
The household of Cornelius
Thousands of early Jewish believers in Jerusalem (Acts 2–4)
The seven churches addressed in Revelation — Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea
Melito of Sardis
The Apolytikion of the Resurrection (liturgical hymn of the Church for centuries)
The Council of Nicaea (pre-corruption), which confessed:

“We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only-begotten Son of God,
begotten of the Father before all worlds,
Light from Light, true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one essence with the Father,
through whom all things were made.”

^ That’s the full list "antisemitic Nazis"...

Every last one of them — according to Dispensationlists — is a heretic.
A problem.
An enemy of Rothschild's Israel.
A potential antisemite.
A theological terrorist.
A “David Duke disciple” with Klan robes hanging in the closet…
…for simply quoting the very King of the Jews and His Jewish apostles.

No, I'm not joking.

That’s how lost, deceived, and utterly brainwashed they are.

Scofield didn’t just rewrite theology.
He rebuilt the veil Christ tore in two.
And they’re standing behind it, swinging Bibles like weapons while they accuse the Gospel itself of "hate".

So now you’ve seen the list.

The saints.
The prophets.
The apostles.
The Son of God.
Even God the Father Himself.

All of them now labeled as dangerous, hateful, antisemitic “Nazis from Hell” — by people too terrified to say that Jesus is the only way, and too seduced to admit that Christ-rejecters are still under wrath.

So let me ask you —
Where do you stand?

Because there’s no middle ground left.

You either:
Stand with Christ,
Or accuse Him with the mob.

You either:
Quote the apostles,
Or crucify them again with your silence.

You either:
Tear the veil with the Gospel,
Or stitch it back up with Scofield.

You either follow the King,
or stand in open Rebellion to Him.

But know this —
When the veil drops for the final time,
Only one side will be left standing.
And only that side will receive the Mark of the Lamb.

The others?
They will be handed over to the very demons of Hell —
When the pit is opened,
And the Watchers are released from Tartarus.

So decide where you stand now.
Because the time for silence is over.
Ignorance will not save you.
And time is running out.

 

[GeneZ]

A misled flock of Jews and Christians screaming: “You’re an antisemitic monster!”
…for quoting the King of the Jews and His Jewish apostles.

It’s absolutely surreal.

Well, what could I say?

Your own confession means that others have already called you out on your fetish of evil.

So? Go Ahead!
But, at least ask for more than 30 pieces of silver.

A cost of living adjustment for today is in order!

 

[GeneZ]

Read 2 Peter 3....it tells us what the thousand years is. It's an indeterminate time/age of God's longsuffering and grace....the age we're living in now. Because no man knows the day or the hour it will end. It's the time we are to account as salvation....a time so long that men will be mocking and saying where is the promise of His coming, and ignoring the lesson of Noah's flood.

Please...
Learn the difference between when it says something is like something else?
And, when it says, something is what it is.

Satan played that game with the woman standing before the tree.
And, it says... The Woman was deceived.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.​

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1 Timothy 2:14​

 

[Lizbeth]

Please...
Learn the difference between when it says something is like something else?
And, when it says, something is what it is.

Satan played that game with the woman standing before the tree.
And, it says... The Woman was deceived.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.​

​

1 Timothy 2:14​

I guess you must believe that means men can't be deceived. I would smile except it isn't funny.

1Co 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

2Pe 3:3-13

Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,

And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness

Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;


Psa 90:4

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. (and what are we supposed to be doing right now until Christ returns.….watching of course....it is speaking of this age.)

Jesus is ruling and reigning now, in this “thousand year” age of grace. All power in heaven and earth was given to Him after His resurrection and He now sits at the right hand of God……….ruling. This is what Revelation is talking about with the thousand year reign. When Jesus returns this old earth will be done away with and all who know Him will forever be with the Lord, in the heavenly realm, where exists a new (spiritual) heavens and earth, as it were.

 

[GeneZ]

Jesus is ruling and reigning now, in this “thousand year” age of grace. All power in heaven and earth was given to Him after His resurrection and He now sits at the right hand of God……….ruling. This is what Revelation is talking about with the thousand year reign. When Jesus returns this old earth will be done away with and all who know Him will forever be with the Lord, in the heavenly realm, where exists a new (spiritual) heavens and earth, as it were.

OK...

What sect are you a part of? That sounds like dominion theology.

If Jesus has been reigning for the last two thousand years?
How could the following be true?

He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 2:4​

That has absolutely not been happening for the last 2000 years.

Please be honest.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Well, what could I say?

Your own confession means that others have already called you out on your fetish of evil.

So? Go Ahead!
But, at least ask for more than 30 pieces of silver.

A cost of living adjustment for today is in order!

Explain how quoting the Word of God, Jesus Christ, Paul, the Apostles and every Church Father for 1,800 years in an attempt to save misled ethnic Jews and dispensationalist Christians from the Gates of Hell is "evil".

This ought to be good..

Still waiting on you to refute a single verse..

Just one will do..

The Cross that finished the Old Covenant (Hebrews 10:9, John 19:30)
The veil torn in two, ending priesthood and separation (Matthew 27:51)
The indwelling of the Spirit, not a brick-and-stone temple (1 Corinthians 6:19)
The Church as the Body of Christ — not some pause in a failed plan (1 Corinthians 12:27, Ephesians 1:22–23)
The Kingdom that is not of this world (John 18:36)
The unity of Jew and Gentile into one new man (Ephesians 2:14–15)
We are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit and put no confidence in the flesh (Philippians 3:2–3)
The natural branches broken off for unbelief, and Gentiles grafted in by faith (Romans 11:17–24)
The Kingdom taken away from ethnic Israel and given to a new people bearing fruit (Matthew 21:43)
The present-day Jerusalem in bondage, but the Jerusalem above is free (Galatians 4:24–26)
The veil still remains over those who reject Christ — only He can remove it (2 Corinthians 3:14)
The abolishment of the dividing wall (Ephesians 2:14)
The end of genealogies as spiritual credentials (Titus 3:9, 1 Timothy 1:4)
The New Covenant in His blood (Luke 22:20)
The true Israel being those in Christ (Galatians 3:29)
The circumcision of the heart, not the flesh (Romans 2:28–29)
And the Seed of Abraham being Christ, not a bloodline (Galatians 3:16)


And I don't even get it...

You claim to be a "Jewish convert" who follows Jesus Christ and the Gospel and yet you think that ethnic Jews are still "saved and chosen" when every single verse up above absolutely refutes that claim.. how does that even work? Why even convert to Christianity at all then if you're already saved? That doesn't even make sense.

Nothing you say adds up.. You're a walking contradiction.

It's absolute madness.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

OK...

What sect are you a part of? That sounds like dominion theology.

If Jesus has been reigning for the last two thousand years?
How could the following be true?

He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

Isaiah 2:4​

That has absolutely not been happening for the last 2000 years.

Please be honest.

Let me get this straight…
You’re saying Jesus isn’t reigning yet 
because there’s still war in the world?

Oh boy...

So I guess:

When Jesus said “All authority in heaven and earth has been given to Me” (Matt. 28:18), He was lying?

When Paul said “He must reign until all enemies are under His feet” (1 Cor. 15:25), he was wrong?

When the apostles said “God has made Him both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:36), they were confused?

No, the problem isn’t Jesus.

The problem is you’re expecting a political kingdom when Jesus said:

“My Kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36)

Isaiah 2:4 isn’t about world peace through tanks and UN treaties, its about sinners laying down rebellion and becoming children of God.
And that is happening — every day — in the Church, where Jew and Gentile are made one new man in Christ (Eph. 2:15).

If you think the Kingdom of God looks like a Scofield chart and a U.N. ceasefire…
you’ve missed the whole Gospel.
Because Jesus is reigning right now.
 He’s just not ruling from a throne in Jerusalem, He’s ruling from the right hand of God —
where the Bible says He’s been since His resurrection.

So ask yourself:
Are you following Jesus as He is in Scripture?
Or Jesus as you wish He would be; a military ruler who fits your prophecy chart?

 

[GeneZ]

Explain how quoting the Word of God, Jesus Christ, Paul, the Apostles and every Church Father for 1,800 years in an attempt to save misled ethnic Jews and dispensationalist Christians from the Gates of Hell is "evil".

This ought to be good..

Still waiting on you to refute a single verse..

Just one will do..

The Cross that finished the Old Covenant (Hebrews 10:9, John 19:30)
The veil torn in two, ending priesthood and separation (Matthew 27:51)
The indwelling of the Spirit, not a brick-and-stone temple (1 Corinthians 6:19)
The Church as the Body of Christ — not some pause in a failed plan (1 Corinthians 12:27, Ephesians 1:22–23)
The Kingdom that is not of this world (John 18:36)
The unity of Jew and Gentile into one new man (Ephesians 2:14–15)
We are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit and put no confidence in the flesh (Philippians 3:2–3)
The natural branches broken off for unbelief, and Gentiles grafted in by faith (Romans 11:17–24)
The Kingdom taken away from ethnic Israel and given to a new people bearing fruit (Matthew 21:43)
The present-day Jerusalem in bondage, but the Jerusalem above is free (Galatians 4:24–26)
The veil still remains over those who reject Christ — only He can remove it (2 Corinthians 3:14)
The abolishment of the dividing wall (Ephesians 2:14)
The end of genealogies as spiritual credentials (Titus 3:9, 1 Timothy 1:4)
The New Covenant in His blood (Luke 22:20)
The true Israel being those in Christ (Galatians 3:29)
The circumcision of the heart, not the flesh (Romans 2:28–29)
And the Seed of Abraham being Christ, not a bloodline (Galatians 3:16)


And I don't even get it...

You claim to be a "Jewish convert" who follows Jesus Christ and the Gospel and yet you think that ethnic Jews are still "saved and chosen" when every single verse up above absolutely refutes that claim.. how does that even work? Why even convert to Christianity at all then if you're already saved? That doesn't even make sense.

Nothing you say adds up..You're a walking contradiction.

It's absolute madness.

You are all over the map....

You make wrong conclusions left and right.
And then you want me to refute you?

How? There is much too much needing to be corrected.
Misapplication after misapplication.

I'm not worried.
Stable believers would not even give you the time of day.

Gaslighting is your methodology.

It seems this particular forum has attracted those of the mindset of your sect.
I do not find that in other Christian forums.

Do what you want.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You are all over the map....

You make wrong conclusions left and right.
And then you want me to refute you?

How? There is much too much needing to be corrected.
Misapplication after misapplication.

I'm not worried.
Stable believers would not even give you the time of day.

Gaslighting is your methodology.

It seems this particular forum has attracted those of the mindset of your sect.
I do not find that in other Christian forums.

Do what you want.

Ah, there it is... the Scofield Shuffle. ^
When pressed to refute even one verse from the New Testament —
not twenty, not ten, just one — 
you deflect, hand-wave, and say, “There’s too much wrong to even begin.”

Translation?
 You can’t refute a single verse and you know it.

You called it “gaslighting” to quote:
Jesus Christ
Paul
The Apostles
And the Church Fathers for 1,800 years straight?

I’m not gaslighting, 
I’m just holding up a Bible.. 
and you’re upset that it doesn’t match your cult's prophecy charts.

If quoting the Cross that ended the Old Covenant (Hebrews 10:9),
the veil that was torn (Matthew 27:51),
and the Kingdom not of this world (John 18:36) is too much for you to deal with…

Then maybe the issue isn’t that I’m “all over the map.”

Maybe the issue is that your theology can’t even survive refuting a single line of the Gospel.

 

[GeneZ]

Ah, there it is... the Scofield Shuffle. ^
When pressed to refute even one verse from the New Testament —
not twenty, not ten, just one — 
you deflect, hand-wave, and say, “There’s too much wrong to even begin.”

Translation?
 You can’t refute a single verse and you know it.

You called it “gaslighting” to quote:
Jesus Christ
Paul
The Apostles
And the Church Fathers for 1,800 years straight?

I’m not gaslighting, 
I’m just holding up a Bible.. 
and you’re upset that it doesn’t match your cult's prophecy charts.

If quoting the Cross that ended the Old Covenant (Hebrews 10:9),
the veil that was torn (Matthew 27:51),
and the Kingdom not of this world (John 18:36) is too much for you to deal with…

Then maybe the issue isn’t that I’m “all over the map.”

Maybe the issue is that your theology can’t even survive refuting a single line of the Gospel.

I have no problem with you, other than you do not know what you ask for.

You're a kid.