If churches are failing, how can they be improved

[GeneZ]

If a crew of atheists, Hell’s Angels bikers, cartel hitmen, and gang rapists read this thread, and saw your responses —
they’d probably fall to their knees in terror and beg God to forgive them.

They’d believe the Bible on the spot.
They’d believe God absolutely exists.
They’d believe the veil is real.
They might even become monks.

Because if you can believe this madness and still think you’re saved…
while failing to refute a single verse of Scripture —
Ignoring the Cross that finished the Old Covenant (Hebrews 10:9, John 19:30)
Ignoring the veil torn in two (Matthew 27:51)
Ignoring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19)
Ignoring the Church as the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27, Ephesians 1:22–23)
Ignoring the Kingdom that Christ said is “not of this world” (John 18:36)
Ignoring the unity of Jew and Gentile into “one new man” (Ephesians 2:14–15)
Ignoring the abolishment of the dividing wall (Ephesians 2:14)
Ignoring the end of genealogies as spiritual credentials (Titus 3:9, 1 Timothy 1:4)
Ignoring the New Covenant in His blood (Luke 22:20)
Ignoring the true Israel being those “in Christ” (Galatians 3:29)
Ignoring the spiritual circumcision of the heart (Romans 2:28–29)
Ignoring the Seed being singular — not plural (Galatians 3:16)
Ignoring the Church Fathers — the architects of Christianity for a millennium:
Not Paul, not John, not Clement, not Ignatius, not Irenaeus, not Tertullian, not Cyprian, not Athanasius, not Basil, not Augustine —
none of them taught what Scofield teaches.
None split Israel and the Church.
None postponed the kingdom.
None traded the Cross for a calendar.

Then spiritual blindness isn’t just real…
it’s terrifying.

And the fear of God?
Absolutely justified.

So go ahead.
Keep quoting Scofield instead of Paul.
Keep pointing to a temple Christ said would be torn down.
Keep waiting for a kingdom He already inaugurated.
Keep honoring genealogies He already made irrelevant.
Keep calling “Israel” what God now calls unbelieving.
Keep denying the Church the promises already fulfilled.
Keep claiming to follow Jesus —
while rejecting everything He actually taught.

But don’t say you weren’t warned.

Because if a Hell’s Angel and cartel hitman could see the Cross more clearly than you…
Then the veil isn’t over your eyes.
It’s over your soul.

Repent.

Give me just one verse alone to deal with in a post.

Instead of your machine-gunning of one erroneous conclusion after another?
Something that others would not be able to concentrate on.
I might take the request to refute you.
But, you have a collection of errors that you dump all at once.
Errors that deserve the time it would take to clarify, just one at a time.

You can't do that. Just one point at a time?
That would mean you would have to start explaining why you believe what you do when shown that you err.
But when you slop all over a post, one erroneous conclusion after another?
It becomes like a mob vandalizing a store.

 

[GeneZ]

If a crew of atheists, Hell’s Angels bikers, cartel hitmen, and gang rapists read this thread, and saw your responses —
they’d probably fall to their knees in terror and beg God to forgive them.

They’d believe the Bible on the spot.
They’d believe God absolutely exists.
They’d believe the veil is real.
They might even become monks.

Because if you can believe this madness and still think you’re saved…
while failing to refute a single verse of Scripture —
Ignoring the Cross that finished the Old Covenant (Hebrews 10:9, John 19:30)
Ignoring the veil torn in two (Matthew 27:51)
Ignoring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19)
Ignoring the Church as the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27, Ephesians 1:22–23)
Ignoring the Kingdom that Christ said is “not of this world” (John 18:36)
Ignoring the unity of Jew and Gentile into “one new man” (Ephesians 2:14–15)
Ignoring the abolishment of the dividing wall (Ephesians 2:14)
Ignoring the end of genealogies as spiritual credentials (Titus 3:9, 1 Timothy 1:4)
Ignoring the New Covenant in His blood (Luke 22:20)
Ignoring the true Israel being those “in Christ” (Galatians 3:29)
Ignoring the spiritual circumcision of the heart (Romans 2:28–29)
Ignoring the Seed being singular — not plural (Galatians 3:16)
Ignoring the Church Fathers — the architects of Christianity for a millennium:
Not Paul, not John, not Clement, not Ignatius, not Irenaeus, not Tertullian, not Cyprian, not Athanasius, not Basil, not Augustine —
none of them taught what Scofield teaches.
None split Israel and the Church.
None postponed the kingdom.
None traded the Cross for a calendar.

So if you can turn a blind eye to all that?

Then spiritual blindness isn’t just real…
it’s terrifying.

And the fear of God?
Absolutely justified.

So go ahead.
Keep quoting Scofield, (a convicted conman) instead of Paul.
Keep pointing to a temple Christ said would be torn down.
Keep waiting for a kingdom He already inaugurated.
Keep honoring genealogies He already made irrelevant.
Keep calling “Israel” what God now calls unbelieving.
Keep denying the Church the promises already fulfilled.
Keep claiming to follow Jesus —
while rejecting everything He actually taught.

But don’t say you weren’t warned.

Because if a Hell’s Angel and cartel hitman could see the Cross more clearly than you…
Then the veil isn’t over your eyes.
It’s over your soul.

Repent.

Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. ​

Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, ​

and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads ​

or their hands. ​

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They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life ​

until the thousand years were ended. ​

​

This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the ​

second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for ​

a thousand years." ​

​

Revelation 20:4-6​

​

A "thousand years." It has been 2000 years since he was crucified and resurrected.

You have a serious problem with denial, sir.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You have a serious problem with denial, sir.

Just… wow.

When you can at least try to refute any of this, get back to me:

Ignoring the Cross that finished the Old Covenant (Hebrews 10:9, John 19:30)

Ignoring the veil torn in two (Matthew 27:51)

Ignoring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19)

Ignoring the Church as the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27, Ephesians 1:22–23)

Ignoring the Kingdom that Christ said is “not of this world” (John 18:36)

Ignoring the unity of Jew and Gentile into “one new man” (Ephesians 2:14–15)

Ignoring the abolishment of the dividing wall (Ephesians 2:14)

Ignoring the end of genealogies as spiritual credentials (Titus 3:9, 1 Timothy 1:4)

Ignoring the New Covenant in His blood (Luke 22:20)

Ignoring the true Israel being those “in Christ” (Galatians 3:29)

Ignoring the spiritual circumcision of the heart (Romans 2:28–29)

Ignoring the Seed being singular — not plural (Galatians 3:16)

And your ridiculous “1,000 years” argument? Already explained.

Yes, Revelation says “a thousand years.”
But your entire theology hinges on treating symbolic, apocalyptic imagery like a legal contract.

That’s how you got conned.

Let me ask you this:

If the “thousand years” is literal…
Then is the beast a literal dragon?
Is the woman clothed with the sun floating up in the sky right now?
Does Jesus literally have a sword coming out of His mouth?????

No?

Then why do you spiritualize all of that — but slam on the brakes at “a thousand years”?

Because Scofield, the convicted conman told you to.

That’s not exegesis.
That’s selective literalism.
That’s the engine of a spiritual Ponzi scheme built on fear, red heifers, timelines, and a total denial of the finished work of Christ.

And here's what should terrify you:

Not a single Christian on EARTH believed what you believe before 1909.

Not Paul.
Not John.
Not Clement.
Not Ignatius.
Not Irenaeus.
Not Tertullian.
Not Cyprian.
Not Athanasius.
Not Augustine.
Not Jerome.
Not Chrysostom.
Not Basil the Great.
Not Ambrose.
Not the Desert Fathers.
Not the early Celtic Church.
Not Gregory the Great.
Not Thomas Aquinas.
Not the Reformers — not Luther, not Calvin, not Zwingli.
Not the Puritans.
Not the Anabaptists.
Not Jonathan Edwards.
Not Charles Spurgeon.
Not John Wesley.
Not the early American revivalists.
Not the Geneva Bible translators.
Not even early Enlightenment deists like Thomas Jefferson, who still saw Scripture as moral truth — not as a Zionist blueprint.
No one believed this blasphemous-insanity from Hell until 1909.

So I ask you..

How can that not at least give you pause??????
It's absolutely staggering, beyond the pale and proves beyond all doubt that the veil is real.

None of them believed, or taught a postponed kingdom.
None of them split Israel and the Church.
None of them traded the Cross for a calendar.

So yes — it’s unbelievable.
You're not just confused.
You're completely brainwashed.
You’ve inherited a theological scam that turns the Gospel into a waiting room and makes unbelieving False Israel™ the star of the show.
And in doing so, you've not just ignored a few verses —
you’ve rejected the entire New Testament witness to Christ and His Kingdom.

Every time you quote Revelation 20 to prop up your fantasy of a postponed kingdom, you’re not defending Scripture —
you’re proving you don’t believe Jesus actually fulfilled the entire Covenant.

You might as well toss your Bible in the trash and buy a Torah.
You’ve already traded the blood of Christ for blueprints and bloodlines.
You ignore every verse up above — and you still can’t refute a single one.
You’ve swapped the Gospel for a genealogical idol.
You’ve replaced the risen King with a Rothschild real estate contract.
You’re not clinging to prophecy —
you’re clinging to the veil He already tore in two.

Wake up.
Repent.
Before the gates close on the Kingdom you keep postponing.

 

[GeneZ]

Just… wow.

When you can at least try to refute any of this, get back to me:

Ignoring the Cross that finished the Old Covenant (Hebrews 10:9, John 19:30)

Ignoring the veil torn in two (Matthew 27:51)

Ignoring the indwelling of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19)

Ignoring the Church as the Body of Christ (1 Corinthians 12:27, Ephesians 1:22–23)

Ignoring the Kingdom that Christ said is “not of this world” (John 18:36)

Ignoring the unity of Jew and Gentile into “one new man” (Ephesians 2:14–15)

Ignoring the abolishment of the dividing wall (Ephesians 2:14)

Ignoring the end of genealogies as spiritual credentials (Titus 3:9, 1 Timothy 1:4)

Ignoring the New Covenant in His blood (Luke 22:20)

Ignoring the true Israel being those “in Christ” (Galatians 3:29)

Ignoring the spiritual circumcision of the heart (Romans 2:28–29)

Ignoring the Seed being singular — not plural (Galatians 3:16)

And your ridiculous “1,000 years” argument? Already explained.

Yes, Revelation says “a thousand years.”
But your entire theology hinges on treating symbolic, apocalyptic imagery like a legal contract.

That’s how you got conned.

Let me ask you this:

If the “thousand years” is literal…
Then is the beast a literal dragon?
Is the woman clothed with the sun floating up in the sky right now?
Does Jesus literally have a sword coming out of His mouth?????

No?

Then why do you spiritualize all of that — but slam on the brakes at “a thousand years”?

Because Scofield, the convicted conman told you to.

That’s not exegesis.
That’s selective literalism.
That’s the engine of a spiritual Ponzi scheme built on fear, red heifers, timelines, and a total denial of the finished work of Christ.

And here's what should terrify you:

Not a single Christian on EARTH believed what you believe before 1909.

Not Paul.
Not John.
Not Clement.
Not Ignatius.
Not Irenaeus.
Not Tertullian.
Not Cyprian.
Not Athanasius.
Not Augustine.
Not Jerome.
Not Chrysostom.
Not Basil the Great.
Not Ambrose.
Not the Desert Fathers.
Not the early Celtic Church.
Not Gregory the Great.
Not Thomas Aquinas.
Not the Reformers — not Luther, not Calvin, not Zwingli.
Not the Puritans.
Not the Anabaptists.
Not Jonathan Edwards.
Not Charles Spurgeon.
Not John Wesley.
Not the early American revivalists.
Not the Geneva Bible translators.
Not even early Enlightenment deists like Jefferson, who still saw Scripture as moral truth — not as a Zionist blueprint.
No one believed this blasphemous-insanity from Hell until 1909.

So I ask you..

How can that not at least give you pause??????
It's absolutely staggering, beyond the pale and proves beyond all doubt that the veil is real.

None of them believed, or taught a postponed kingdom.
None of them split Israel and the Church.
None of them traded the Cross for a calendar.

So yes — it’s unbelievable.
You're not just confused.
You're completely brainwashed.
You’ve inherited a theological scam that turns the Gospel into a waiting room and makes unbelieving False Israel™ the star of the show.
And in doing so, you've not just ignored a few verses —
you’ve rejected the entire New Testament witness to Christ and His Kingdom.

Every time you quote Revelation 20 to prop up your fantasy of a postponed kingdom, you’re not defending Scripture —
you’re proving you don’t believe Jesus actually fulfilled the entire Covenant.

You might as well toss your Bible in the trash and buy a Torah.
You’ve already traded the blood of Christ for blueprints and bloodlines.
You ignore every verse up above — and you still can’t refute a single one.
You’ve swapped the Gospel for a genealogical idol.
You’ve replaced the risen King with a Rothschild real estate contract.
You’re not clinging to prophecy —
you’re clinging to the veil He already tore in two.

Wake up.
Repent.
Before the gates close on the Kingdom you keep postponing.

One at a time.....

You can not do that.
Can you?

It might require dealing with a single thought.... and not scattered brained.

 

[Grailhunter]

If you were a leader in the church tasked with restructuring and improving its architecture and format.

WWYD?

Are there significant improvements churches can make in the modern era with the advent of the internet, smart phones and social media?

Your first task is to motivate the arm chair lazy boy Christians that do not go to chuch in the first place.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

To the sane lurkers…
Have you finally figured out what Scofield Dispensationalism really is?

That’s right — it’s not just the veil.
It is the veil, weaponized.
It’s the engine of the great falling away.
It’s a hardcore, antichrist cult founded in 1909.
A system that preaches a resurrected Torah with a Jesus sticker slapped on the back —
a counterfeit gospel that sells the shadow and silences the Son.

Exactly what it was designed to do.

“If churches are failing, how can they be improved?”
That should be obvious by now…

Most of the so-called “churches” in America aren’t churches at all.
They are Synagogues of Satan — just as Jesus warned.
Not because they worship openly as enemies,
but because they masquerade as Christian while spreading a gospel He never preached.

They rewrite the Gospel, deny the Kingdom, exalt unbelief, and glorify a nation that rejects the Son.
This particular system is built on Scofield’s blueprint —
and its loyalty lies not with Christ,
but with unbelieving, Christ-rejecting False Israel™.

They don’t just ignore the Gospel of Jesus Christ —
they do it proudly.

Never forget what the Apostles, the Scriptures, and the Early Church Fathers all taught for 1900 years:

The Body of Christ is Israel —
not a nation, not a race,
but a new creation of Jew and Gentile, sealed by the Spirit of His Son.
Before God, there is no other Israel but those in Christ.

Do not be deceived by Lord Rothschild, Scofield, and the Dragon.
One financed the delusion.
One framed the doctrine.
One fathered the lie.

Together, they rebuilt the veil Christ already tore —
and called it "prophecy".

The Apostle Paul warned us:
“Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is no surprise, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness.” (2 Corinthians 11:14–15)

That’s not a warning about atheists.
It’s about false apostles hijacking the Church.
Counterfeit gospels.
And an entire end-times theology designed to look holy —
while serving the Serpent.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

One at a time.....

You can not do that.
Can you?

It might require dealing with a single thought.... and not scattered brained.

I’ll gladly go one verse at a time, but you have to engage with at least one.
I listed twelve verses up above, each tied to a foundational truth of the New Covenant.

So start anywhere you'd like.

Let’s see how Scofield’s blasphemy from Hell holds up against the pure and eternal Word of God.