If God is real, then how did Noah’s Ark happen?
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David in NJ
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Have you seen the GIANT petrified Tree stumps around the world???
They also find bone beds, where many animals who had died were washed together in groups.
And they have found soft tissues inside of so called millions of years old dinosaur bones and also red blood cells.
And they have found soft tissues inside of so called millions of years old dinosaur bones and also red blood cells.
David in NJ
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There are fossils of animals giving birth!!!
Could only occur under rapid flooding and massive mud slides covering animals instantly.
Well, animals under stress, I can see that happening.
Yes, to make fossils, they have to be rapidly covered under the earth, as in buried in wet sediments.
Okay for example, in the bible it says that he has a plan for us and a future, yet there’s people that commit suicide everyday from suffering such as cancer, crippled, etc. So what exactly was there purpose or future? I’m not trying to sound mean or cruel i’m just being honest… Also it says that he doesn’t like lazy people and we reap what we sow, yet for example the cartels operating in mexico are pure evil and they live lavish lifestyles and do whatever they want? So how exactly does that make sense?
David in NJ
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And guess what they are doing with those blood and tissue samples.....................
The wicked have no peace in their hearts. Lavish lifestyles and sin don't give us peace, only God can give us peace.
About the suffering in the world, sometimes we do go through trials. But for the believer, God helps us to get through the trials. And when we reach our time to pass on...we have hope to be with the Lord.
Well I have faith that God is real, but I highly doubt the Noah story was meant to be read literally. The Bible does not support a literalist reading of it and the scientific evidence does not support it either.
Deborah_
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Not everyone takes all the details literally. "All the world", for example, could easily mean "all the world inhabited by humans at that time" - which could well have been a relatively small area.
Again, Christians have different opinions concerning the timeline of Genesis. So the global catastrophe that is called "the Flood" could have happened tens of thousands of years ago. Interestingly, I recently learned about a massive volcanic eruption that occurred in Indonesia about 75,000 years ago. It would have caused global cooling and other climate changes (such as prolonged rain because of seeding on all the dust in the atmosphere), and the archaeologists reckon that the human population at the time was decimated (down to fewer than 1000 individuals, scattered in different places). This scenario would easily fit with the flood story.
Aunty Jane
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You can answer that question by also asking if this life is all there is? Is this the life God planned for us?
If it is full of tragedy and painful suffering....why does God allow it?
Did he cause it? If not surely he can fix it?
The answer to all those questions is based on why we are in this world in the first place? And why we have had to endure it for so long.....Did God create this world of strife and bloodshed, or did we....the human race? Whose influence are we reflecting? God’s....or that of God’s enemy? (1 John 5:19)
What did humans get suckered into in the garden of Eden that caused this situation?......in a word...”DISOBEDIENCE”.
All God asked of his human children was that they simply do as he instructed them.....never having to choose between good and evil, because God would provide only good things for them, and keep evil away........then their lIves would have been wonderful...in unending joy and contented happiness, in peace and security under the mighty hand of their loving Creator......in paradise surroundings. Who could ask for more?
But there was a catch......a condition imposed because they were also given free will. Free will was a precious gift as long as it was not abused. But satan began to entertain thoughts of his own free will that led him to carry them out. (James 1:14-15) Not content to be out on a limb, he wanted the worship of the humans....the only intelligent creatures in existence over whom he could exert intellectual power.
With the interference of this villain.....the plot thickens.
This villain is a mighty spirit creature intent on getting the human race to treat him as a god, and to give him their worship, either willingly or by deceit.......all he had to do was separate them from their Creator, which he did in a very sneaky way. He was a guardian Cherub in the garden and had observed all that transpired there. He saw Adam given the task of naming all the animals who would share life on earth with them, and the realization that all these creatures had mates except him. So God had a deep sleep come over Adam and he took a rib, a rich source of DNA and made it into a woman as a helper and complement of him. Adam exclaimed....”here at last is bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh”.....he was instantly besotted.
The angel who became satan was watching the proceedings, carefully plotting his course.....he would use the woman to persuade the man, but first he would have to completely deny the penalty, by lying to her, telling her that “you surely will not die”.....it seems like a good idea.....he portrayed the disobedience as something beneficial.....and so when she ate of the forbidden fruit, she immediately gained a knowledge of evil and all that went with it.......realising this, Adam made a choice that threw all of his children into an inheritance of sin and death.….he joined her….and now evil has taken over the world, in ways that we never imagined.
Only a Redeemer could save the human race.
Do you understand what redemption is?
One clue as to the totality of the flood in scripture, all land life that breathes air was killed across the face of the whole earth.
But not sea life. This flood was only for dry land dwellers
Genesis 6
17 And I, behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life under heaven: all that is in the earth shall perish.
Genesis 7
19 The waters [j]prevailed so exceedingly upon the earth, that all the high mountains, that are under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail, when the mountains were covered.
21 Then all flesh perished that moved upon the earth, both fowl and cattle and beast, and everything that creepeth and moveth upon the earth, and every man.
22 Everything in whose nostrils the spirit of life did breathe, whatsoever they were in the dry land, they died.
23 So [k]he destroyed everything that was upon the earth, from man to beast, to the creeping thing, and to the fowl of the heaven: they were even destroyed from the earth. And Noah only [l]remained, and they that were with him in the Ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
But not sea life. This flood was only for dry land dwellers
Genesis 6
17 And I, behold, I will bring a flood of waters upon the earth to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life under heaven: all that is in the earth shall perish.
Genesis 7
19 The waters [j]prevailed so exceedingly upon the earth, that all the high mountains, that are under the whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail, when the mountains were covered.
21 Then all flesh perished that moved upon the earth, both fowl and cattle and beast, and everything that creepeth and moveth upon the earth, and every man.
22 Everything in whose nostrils the spirit of life did breathe, whatsoever they were in the dry land, they died.
23 So [k]he destroyed everything that was upon the earth, from man to beast, to the creeping thing, and to the fowl of the heaven: they were even destroyed from the earth. And Noah only [l]remained, and they that were with him in the Ark.
24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.
One issue though is that enough water to cover the whole earth a few miles deep would also have destroyed all sea life just as easily. The physics.
Rockerduck
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The god of this world is Satan(2 Chr. 4:4), God sent Jesus to save us from this world John 3:16, and after you accept Jesus as your Savior, you are not to be conformed to this world. Romans 12:2.
This does not need to be so rigorously natural; the flood of Noah was supernatural as in of God as a judgement on mankind's overwhelming evil of that day. Since God sustains all things, He would have made the correct conditions for sea life to continue as it has.
So what is a supernatural flood. You say this all the time as a scapegoat for the science involved in the flood.
What is a supernatural flood compared to a natural flood? What was the unnatural aspect of the flood? Like water was magically created or what?
Don't be ridiculous. Are you a pure naturalist?
You don't think God who makes such a decision would not make certain it all happens as He has said? He watches over His word to perform it.
I am not a Deist. God continuously upholds the creation, for in Him we live, move, have our being as some of your poets have written.
Acts 17:28
Deism (/ˈdiːɪzəm/ DEE-iz-əm [1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/ DAY-iz-əm; derived from the Latin term deus, meaning "god")[3][4] is the philosophical position and rationalistic theology[5] that generally rejects revelation as a source of divine knowledge and asserts that empirical reason and observation of the natural world are exclusively logical, reliable, and sufficient to determine the existence of a Supreme Being as the creator of the universe.[11] More simply stated, Deism is the belief in the existence of God—often, but not necessarily, an impersonal and incomprehensible God who does not intervene in the universe after creating it,[8][12] solely based on rational thought without any reliance on revealed religions or religious authority.[13] Deism emphasizes the concept of natural theology—that is, God's existence is revealed through nature.[14]
Since the 17th century and during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in 18th-century England, France, and North America,[15] various Western philosophers and theologians formulated a critical rejection of the several religious texts belonging to the many organized religions, and began to appeal only to truths that they felt could be established by reason as the exclusive source of divine knowledge.[17] Such philosophers and theologians were called "Deists", and the philosophical/theological position they advocated is called "Deism".[18]
Deism as a distinct philosophical and intellectual movement declined toward the end of the 18th century[5] but had a revival in the early 19th century.[19] Some of its tenets continued as part of other intellectual and spiritual movements, like Unitarianism,[4] and Deism continues to have advocates today,[3] including with modern variants such as Christian deism and pandeism.
Acts 17:28
Deism (/ˈdiːɪzəm/ DEE-iz-əm [1][2] or /ˈdeɪ.ɪzəm/ DAY-iz-əm; derived from the Latin term deus, meaning "god")[3][4] is the philosophical position and rationalistic theology[5] that generally rejects revelation as a source of divine knowledge and asserts that empirical reason and observation of the natural world are exclusively logical, reliable, and sufficient to determine the existence of a Supreme Being as the creator of the universe.[11] More simply stated, Deism is the belief in the existence of God—often, but not necessarily, an impersonal and incomprehensible God who does not intervene in the universe after creating it,[8][12] solely based on rational thought without any reliance on revealed religions or religious authority.[13] Deism emphasizes the concept of natural theology—that is, God's existence is revealed through nature.[14]
Since the 17th century and during the Age of Enlightenment, especially in 18th-century England, France, and North America,[15] various Western philosophers and theologians formulated a critical rejection of the several religious texts belonging to the many organized religions, and began to appeal only to truths that they felt could be established by reason as the exclusive source of divine knowledge.[17] Such philosophers and theologians were called "Deists", and the philosophical/theological position they advocated is called "Deism".[18]
Deism as a distinct philosophical and intellectual movement declined toward the end of the 18th century[5] but had a revival in the early 19th century.[19] Some of its tenets continued as part of other intellectual and spiritual movements, like Unitarianism,[4] and Deism continues to have advocates today,[3] including with modern variants such as Christian deism and pandeism.
Another thing about God's will it is actively interactive with us, not passive.
James 4
14 whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that.” 16 But now you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil.
Matthew 10:29
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing, and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father?
James 4
14 whereas you do not know what will happen tomorrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapor that appears for a little time and then vanishes away. 15 Instead you ought to say, “If the Lord wills, we shall live and do this or that.” 16 But now you boast in your arrogance. All such boasting is evil.
Matthew 10:29
Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing, and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father?
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