I'll take milk?

[Ziggy]

I personally believe that Jesus a flesh man just as me was confronted with this snake in the wilderness, that is confronted with His will, and the will of the Father in Him commanded put that on a stake.

Do you believe the "snake" is external or internal?
Was Jesus battling his own flesh?

Adam and Eve gave into their desires.
Jesus overcame them.

I believe there is evil in the world.
I believe man is the creator of it.
Not God.

Man allowed himself to be deceived by his own lusts.

Question is, where did those lusts come from?
Are all lusts bad?
Are all desires bad?

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Tit 2:12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Lusts: desire, craving, longing, desire for what is forbidden, lust

This same greek word lust is here as desire:
Phl 1:23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire G1939 to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:

Luk 22:15 And he said unto them, With desire G1939 I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

So we need to discern between lusts and desires.
Which are acceptable and which are forbidden.

Cain had a problem with discernment apparently.
God did not find his offering acceptable.
His desires were lusts.. ??

This is heavy..
:)
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

The Old Robin Hood mentality...steal from the rich and give to the poor.
Yep that makes them a hero!

Stealing is a sin.
no heroes there.
Hugs

 

[Heart2Soul]

Stealing is a sin.
no heroes there.
Hugs

I was yoking...but seriously Hollywood makes heroes out of criminals.

 

[Ziggy]

So in a nutshell..

Milk is.. see what good is? do good. Be good.
Meat is.. see what bad is? Do good, be good.

 

[Waiting on him]

Do you believe the "snake" is external or internal?
Was Jesus battling his own flesh?

Internal. Scripture declares Him a man just as me. The

Question is, where did those lusts come from?
Are all lusts bad?
Are all desires bad?

Scripture says the heart is vile and wicked, and I believe it.
Scripture also says there are good lusts we should covet or desire the things of God.

 

[amadeus]

Gen 1:30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

Definitely a vegetarian diet, but then...

and then:
Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

I don't think herbs and meat mean things we physically eat. It is manna. What is it??

A committed vegetarian (I am not one) might differ with you or at least say it is both the physical and it is the manna. But there are a whole lot of types and shadows in written scripture, if and when we are able to by the Holy Spirit to understand them. That is, I believe, the movement from the milk [herb/vegetable] to the meat [the deeper realities of God]
[quote/]
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.

If milk is the first principles, then what is the meat?

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.[/quote]
"Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
And this will we do, if God permit." Heb 6:1-3

Those six principles... if they,

1)repentance from dead works,
2) faith toward God,
3) doctrines of baptisms,
4) laying on of hands
5) resurrection of the dead,
6) eternal judgment

...were only the milk of the Word of God, where then from there?

It says, "Therefore leaving principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection..."

And Jesus said this:

"Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." Matt 5:48

Of course as we are told by many in church setting offline and in forums, including this one many deny the possibility of going "on unto perfection" before we have breathed our last carnal breath and dirt has been shoveled over our faces. Does that mean no one can move from the milk of the Word to meat of the Word of God?

Where then is our faith? Or might it be called a 'negative' faith, a faith in what we cannot do? Or might it be call a lack of faith in the power of God in us to accomplish His will?

So before Adam and Eve ate of the tree they were given milk.
After they ate they were given meat.
They could now discern between good and evil.
They were "full of age", not sure what that means...

This looks like it's going to be a good study.
And I'm HUNGRY!!

:)
HUGS

"Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled." Matt 5:6

 

[VictoryinJesus]

What follow below was written less than a week ago by our friend @bbyrd009 a few days ago using the title which I have also applied to this thread:

So, it would seem like we are to seek the “meat,” right? The meat of the Word is supposed to be a good thing, isn’t it? And vv like I’d rather never eat meat again, and were tired of this manna, give us some meat to eat! just kinda get glided over, the first ostensibly an ode to vegetarianism, perhaps, and the second the complaints of most anyone limited repeatedly to a single choice of food, but i suggest that there is a direct connection here to fruit of the tree of knowledge, and meat and milk might need to be better defined.

As there is no phrase “meat of the Word” in the Bible, how are you defining it? List some synonyms even, “truth, facts, absolute truth, immutable truth” and then understand how that might fit with the vv above. We all know that New Believer who is Absolutely Sure of Everything, right; and manna is not called what is it? for nothing, i bet

Anyway, i guess this should be made plain by a simple Bsearch of “milk” and “meat” which ill prolly do tomorrow if someone doesn’t beat me to it, but i bet milk will just like glow more or whatever when read together

enjoy your quail

a few thoughts. I haven’t read through the whole thread yet but consider Jeremiah 32:22-23 And hast given them this land, which thou didst swear to their fathers to give them, a land flowing with milk and honey; [23] And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice, neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to come upon them:

What stands out to me is “a land flowing with milk” yet still carnal they obeyed not His voice. Not yet able to bear. Jesus Christ said similar in having more to say to them but they were not able to bear it. While Jesus Christ said I have meat to eat of that you know not of...to do the Will of Him who sent me... “Father, not my Will but your Will be done”. important (Imo) is where Paul said if my meat destroys my brother then I walk not charitable ...and other places without charity I am nothing for charity endures all things, believes all things, hopes all things, BEARS all things. Romans 14:15-17 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. [16] Let not then your good be evil spoken of: [17] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Destroy not him (thy brother) with thy meat. Reminds me of Revelation 2:23-25 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. [24] But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. [25] But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

 

[Waiting on him]

Those six principles... if they,

1)repentance from dead works,
2) faith toward God,
3) doctrines of baptisms,
4) laying on of hands
5) resurrection of the dead,
6) eternal judgment

...were only the milk of the Word of God, where then from there?

In my opinion these principles were the foundation of Judaism. The milk.
The way many Jews tried to posses righteousness only to fail.

 

[amadeus]

Many view the Genesis creation account as an earthly one, for me it’s an account of what began 2000 plus years ago on a hill, where a foundation was laid. I can’t fully understand it, but the knowledge of good and evil is known when we eat of that tree.


The first and last.

Yes, follow the days of creation in Genesis:

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Gen 1:2

That is you and me, lifeless lumps of clay without form and void with only darkness in the depths where we are... but that God moved over those dead waters where we dwelt...

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness." Gen 1:3-4

The Light was Jesus and it was good, because God is Good. God made a separation visible to everyone between the Light and the Dark...

"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9

This is glimmer visible to every man born of woman. Pursued then by the drawing of the Father to the Son may lead on to being born from above [born again]...

And so forth!

What a mighty God we serve who knew from the beginning all of His plan for you and for me!

 

[Waiting on him]

a few thoughts. I haven’t read through the whole thread yet but consider Jeremiah 32:22-23 And hast given them this land, which thou didst swear to their fathers to give them, a land flowing with milk and honey; [23] And they came in, and possessed it; but they obeyed not thy voice, neither walked in thy law; they have done nothing of all that thou commandedst them to do: therefore thou hast caused all this evil to come upon them:

What stands out to me is “a land flowing with milk” yet still carnal they obeyed not His voice. Not yet able to bear. Jesus Christ said similar in having more to say to them but they were not able to bear it. While Jesus Christ said I have meat to eat of that you know not of...to do the Will of Him who sent me... “Father, not my Will but your Will be done”. important (Imo) is where Paul said if my meat destroys my brother then I walk not charitable ...and other places without charity I am nothing for charity endures all things, believes all things, hopes all things, BEARS all things. Romans 14:15-17 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. [16] Let not then your good be evil spoken of: [17] For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Destroy not him (thy brother) with thy meat. Reminds me of Revelation 2:23-25 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. [24] But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden. [25] But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

I guess if your meat destroys your brother maybe it is possible that your meat isn’t actually the will of God.

 

[Waiting on him]

Yes, follow the days of creation in Genesis:

"And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." Gen 1:2

That is you and me, lifeless lumps of clay without form and void with only darkness in the depths where we are... but that God moved over those dead waters where we dwelt...

"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness." Gen 1:3-4

The Light was Jesus and it was good, because God is Good. God made a separation visible to everyone between the Light and the Dark...

"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9

This is glimmer visible to every man born of woman. Pursued then by the drawing of the Father to the Son may lead on to being born from above [born again]...

And so forth!

What a mighty God we serve who knew from the beginning all of His plan for you and for me!

That’s awesome John, very edifying. PRAISE GOD!!!!!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Something beautiful here (only an opinion) is Luke 12:23 The life is more that meat, and the body more than raiment. And seek not you what you shall eat and, or what you shall drink, neither be you of a doubtful mind. But rather seek the kingdom of God. For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit.

with Paul saying if I destroy my brother with my meat, then I walk not in charity.

 

[amadeus]

Reminds me of

15 In fact, I don’t understand why I act the way I do. I don’t do what I know is right. I do the things I hate. 16 Although I don’t do what I know is right, I agree that the Law is good.
Romans 7:15-16 (CEV)​

Emily Dickinson wrote a poem I love that includes, The Heart asks for pleasure first, then excuse from pain. We want the accolade but not the sacrifice. The benefits of leadership without the burden. We want to credit ourselves with being ready for meat but alas, we still need milk and grace.

People who really have met with the Lord the first time too often fail to pursue further what they have found and rather use what they have received anew from God to pursue their own only slightly revised goals as if they were God's. What is it [manna again!] that God really wants for us and has for us if we will follow the Head [Jesus] He has provided instead of still our own heads?

 

[Ziggy]

Im on my way to get my Dad for the weekend.
I'll be back ...
Hugs

 

[Waiting on him]

Im on my way to get my Dad for the weekend.
I'll be back ...
Hugs

Well I believe you naild it early on the meat is to do the will of the Father.

 

[amadeus]

@amadeus ..great to hear from byrd again...

---a response to his writings then....

Yes, of course manna was not literally meat, or for that matter a truly heavy or hard substance at all. It is spiritual meat and not physical.

The manna found from the sky or really by the time the morning dew set in, in the desert of Exodus and in the NT is a a widespread energy source found in the Middle East. Folks don't use it to sustain their lives these days however.

When the Hebrews in the wilderness found white drops on a common shrub (Haloxylon Salicornicum) or mann-Rimth, they first said, Mann hou? for, what is it? The Hebrew question was then transformed into the word 'manna' in English.

The 'manna' from heaven is actually the digestive product of insects; full of sugar and other essential enzymes. It hardens into white crystals and can be stored for later consumption.

Now the milk given to new believers is essential for growth. Yes, there is still carnality in every person although it slowly fades to the background when we can digest meat. The meat is the knowledge and truth that is given when a person is maturing in Christ.

Good Day to you amadeus and God Bless you

APAK

Thank you for your input here. Our bbyrd009 is still cutting to the quick of things at times with insights and questions that comes from God alone. I only wish more people were able to realize it and benefit from it.

Thank God for it!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I guess if your meat destroys your brother maybe it is possible that your meat isn’t actually the will of God.

Galatians 4:19-20 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, [20] I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

to me it means if we boast someone as not having Christ and perishing ...then should we not care to edify and build up and “strengthen that which remains”. more concerned with their not perishing than boasting in their demise before the foundation? To me Paul followed the example of Christ which said they were not able to bear it. He recognized the need for Christ toward children; that they may be mature and nurtured and grown up in all things in Christ so that they may be able to bear...

 

[amadeus]

I compare The Gospels with Genesis.
Side by side.
Old and New
They merge
And the book of Revelation.
What was, what is, what is yet to come.
And yet all three are the same telling.
In order to see the future, one must look back to the past.
It's cyclical.
That's my opinion..
just a chicken wing..

:)
Hugs

Not just a chicken wing because generally chickens cannot really fly... perhaps rather the wings of an eagle:

"Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding.
He giveth power to the faint; and to them that have no might he increaseth strength.
Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall:
But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint." Isaiah 40:28-31

 

[Waiting on him]

Galatians 4:19-20 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you, [20] I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.

to me it means if we boast someone as not having Christ and perishing ...then should we not care to edify and build up and “strengthen that which remains”. more concerned with their not perishing than boasting in their demise before the foundation? To me Paul followed the example of Christ which said they were not able to bear it. He recognized the need for Christ toward children; that they may be mature and nurtured and grown up in all things in Christ so that they may be able to bear...

I suppose another way to view this is, the branches draw their nutrients from the vine later to bare fruit, which would be the meat possibly.

 

[amadeus]

I always get hung up on the snake in the garden and Jesus.
Not saying Jesus is the snake.
I'm saying the people called him a snake.
...
They called Jesus the devil and Beezelbub.
They raised him up like the serpent on the pole.

Too many favor Nehushtan [II Kings 18:4] instead of Jesus as they are unable to tell the difference!

The milk is the "doing"
I believe the meat is the "being"