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I can't stand political correctness - it chokes the person practicing it - you can't be real.
Yes one has to be a robot to be PC. or some sort of Nazi type of dolt to swallow that type of rot.

I try to understand such people as to why they love such madness, as to some, they come from a perspective of wanting to put all people in cotton wool so to speak. I think some comes from lack of fore thought, shallow people or lack of understanding or dealing with reality, they are like something that lives under a rock.

I will have to look into why more so as to understand such a disease.
Maybe good Christians could put their heads together so as to work this type of disease out totally. I believe it has to be shown up for what it truly is in depth. I think it stems from lack of virtue, it's like some sort of rock Lobster that try's to shield it's self and only consumes dead things.
 

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Yes one has to be a robot to be PC. or some sort of Nazi type of dolt to swallow that type of rot.

I try to understand such people as to why they love such madness, as to some, they come from a perspective of wanting to put all people in cotton wool so to speak. I think some comes from lack of fore thought, shallow people or lack of understanding or dealing with reality, they are like something that lives under a rock.

I will have to look into why more so as to understand such a disease.
Maybe good Christians could put their heads together so as to work this type of disease out totally. I believe it has to be shown up for what it truly is in depth. I think it stems from lack of virtue, it's like some sort of rock Lobster that try's to shield it's self and only consumes dead things.

The main reason for PC is to avoid the truth. If you have a million people who say something that is not the truth, that becomes the truth and PC. That then makes telling the truth hate speech.
 

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Another stand fro Trump worth watching idf you know what is going on

Have you read that Roger Stone was 'allegedly' arrested by the FBI? Trump then comes out tweeting "it's a witch hunt!" I don't believe him anymore. He's the boss of the FBI - he can fire the FBI boss and replace him. He must think the American people are all stupid! He's playing these games and putting on a show while fulfilling the plans of the illuminati. I was somewhat still on the fence about him but after this last show, I'm even less inclined to believe he's legitimate. He acts like he's powerless. Then the Pope flies to South America and urges them to migrate to America and for America to "welcome" them. It's the whole North American Union strategy. People had better wake up. Germany is near destroyed, the UK is crumbling, and America is accepting more people every day. I have a bad feeling that something is going to happen soon. It's like how you feel achy before it rains - I have an uneasiness deep in my soul that something is underway.
 

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Have you read that Roger Stone was 'allegedly' arrested by the FBI? Trump then comes out tweeting "it's a witch hunt!" I don't believe him anymore. He's the boss of the FBI - he can fire the FBI boss and replace him. He must think the American people are all stupid! He's playing these games and putting on a show while fulfilling the plans of the illuminati. I was somewhat still on the fence about him but after this last show, I'm even less inclined to believe he's legitimate. He acts like he's powerless. Then the Pope flies to South America and urges them to migrate to America and for America to "welcome" them. It's the whole North American Union strategy. People had better wake up. Germany is near destroyed, the UK is crumbling, and America is accepting more people every day. I have a bad feeling that something is going to happen soon. It's like how you feel achy before it rains - I have an uneasiness deep in my soul that something is underway.

No alleged to it. Stone was arrested and he went to court where he was released on a signature bond.

It is a witch hunt.

The myth of the Illuminati lives on.

The law does not allow the firing of FBI while there is a government shutdown.

On the fence the Democrats have played all the cards. Trump has an emergency funding declaration ready to issue.

Of course Pelosi will take it to the ninth district to get a restraint. Then it will have to go through the court system. But the White House can request Supreme Court bypassed lower courts and take it up immediately.

30 Democrats in the house wrote Pelosi said it was time to fund the wall and knocked the crap off. Others of come out publicly and said it's time to from the wall.

All the departments involved in these discussions have said we need the wall.

I don't like it but political reality and law are there and have to be dealt with.

Is this the best way? The answer that one has to know what the alternatives are, meaning surrender to Pelosi.

This is total frustration and digust.

While the Democrats claim the public sides with them the polling says otherwise. But even there one has to sort through and eliminate those taking the polls that are totally liberal biased.

I blame the voters who elected these wannabe socialists.
 

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No alleged to it. Stone was arrested and he went to court where he was released on a signature bond.

It is a witch hunt.

The myth of the Illuminati lives on.

The law does not allow the firing of FBI while there is a government shutdown.

On the fence the Democrats have played all the cards. Trump has an emergency funding declaration ready to issue.

Of course Pelosi will take it to the ninth district to get a restraint. Then it will have to go through the court system. But the White House can request Supreme Court bypassed lower courts and take it up immediately.

30 Democrats in the house wrote Pelosi said it was time to fund the wall and knocked the crap off. Others of come out publicly and said it's time to from the wall.

All the departments involved in these discussions have said we need the wall.

I don't like it but political reality and law are there and have to be dealt with.

Is this the best way? The answer that one has to know what the alternatives are, meaning surrender to Pelosi.

This is total frustration and digust.

While the Democrats claim the public sides with them the polling says otherwise. But even there one has to sort through and eliminate those taking the polls that are totally liberal biased.

I blame the voters who elected these wannabe socialists.
I think it's designed to look like a witch hunt. I think it's all smoke and mirrors. I did a lot of research before being convinced that it was true. There is only around 2% of me that still thinks President Trump is legitimate. I found evidence of voter fraud in my state and tried telling people - not one office
responded. I think they all must know it's fixed. Before she passed my cousin was heavily involved in some organization that exposes voter fraud. She told me it was widespread but I didn't pay attention to the issue then - I was busy with other things. We have a candidate that was re-elected after being caught in corruption, and pedophilia in another country. I have a habit of chatting with strangers and I ask what they think and no one I did a random "poll" on voted for that guy and I don't know who would. Although I did talk to a Christian at bible study who voted Democrat because her daughter told her too. Still - I don't think we get to choose anymore. Of course I still vote, for what good it does.

The shutdown is temporarily over - but you won't see President Trump fire the head of the FBI - who he appointed by the way. I think the illuminati are keeping the American people busy with "bread and circus" while they implement their plan. We''re being entertained by the alleged antics of the FBI, Roger Stone, etc. while they're continuing to implement Agenda 21. I urge you to watch that movie "Revelation - the Dawn of Global Government." It's enlightening and shows people who say that Republicans and Democrats are the same. They play people against one another. It's the Hegelian Dialectic.

I think we need to pray for our nation. It can't be long before God puts us under judgment for how evil it has become. I just hope He acts soon. This country is becoming uninhabitable for Christians.
 

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I saw this in a newspaper I started prescribing to:

Now It’s William Barr: When Will Christians And Conservatives Stop Making Excuses For Donald Trump?
The Washington Standard / January 26, 2019 /

Okay, we all know how awful Hillary Clinton is. We all know that Donald Trump said all the right things (well, many of the right things) on the campaign trail. We all know—at least believed—that Trump was not an establishment insider. We all know that Trump promised to “drain the swamp,” dramatically reduce America’s out-of-control deficit spending, protect the Second Amendment, get America out of its endless foreign wars, terminate taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, overturn Roe v Wade and build a wall on our southern border—that Mexico would pay for—in order to stop the flow of illegal immigration into America.

Now, after two full years of a Donald Trump administration in which he enjoyed both houses of Congress being held by fellow Republicans, we all know (and if we don’t, it’s because we don’t WANT to know) that none of the above has happened. Yet, Christians and conservatives by the millions continue to make excuses for this faker.

First, a brief comment about the border wall: All of the drama regarding a partial government shutdown and incessant public theater by actors from both political parties is quite nauseating. Republicans had control of both houses of Congress and the White House for two years. Why wasn’t money appropriated for the wall then? Why was there no government shutdown over the lack of funding for the border wall then? Why wait until Democrats take over the House to shut down (partially) the federal government and threaten to declare a State of National Emergency?

Forgive me, but this stinks to high heaven. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors. All of the high profile theatrics over the border wall is the biggest distraction to envelop our country in quite a spell. While everyone is fighting over the wall, some very serious attacks against our liberties are being waged almost without notice. And all of the hullabaloo over the wall is completely covering up Trump’s failure to carry out the rest of his campaign promises—and the fact that Trump himself has often worked in direct opposition to many of his campaign promises.

Secondly, his rhetoric notwithstanding, President Trump has NOT drawn down America’s involvement in endless foreign wars. Trump’s promise to bring U.S. forces home from Syria is so much hot air. Trump’s “immediate” withdrawal order is now mired in an indefinite time schedule. In other words, there is no time schedule. Our troops that are still fighting in Syria are not only still based in Syria, but they are also still using bases in Iraq as launching pads for military excursions into Syria. Of course, Trump promised that the U.S. bases in Iraq were not going anywhere—and that’s one promise he will keep.

Our troops are still fighting endless wars in Afghanistan and Somalia. In fact, Trump has shoved record military spending through Congress and has done nothing to reduce America’s global military presence (U.S. troops are stationed in over 160 countries, which equates to 95% of the world’s foreign military bases). America is as much the global cop as it was when Trump was elected. No, that’s not quite true: We are MUCH MORE the global cop than when Trump was elected, as Trump has expanded our military presence in Eastern Europe to unprecedented levels—levels not even seen during the Cold War.

Thirdly, as we have just passed the 46th anniversary of the ignoble Roe v Wade Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion-on-demand nationwide, unborn children continue to be legally murdered—in spite of the fact that Donald Trump was President and Republicans controlled both houses of Congress during the past two years. All of Trump’s “pro-life” rhetoric hasn’t saved the life of a single unborn baby. Since Trump was elected, over 2 million unborn children have been mercilessly murdered in the wombs of their mothers—with the complete approbation of a Republican-led federal government.

The GOP controlled the entire federal government for 4.6 years of G.W. Bush’s eight years in office—and they controlled the entire federal government for the past two years of Donald Trump’s presidency. They did NOTHING about Roe v Wade under Bush, and they have done NOTHING about Roe v Wade under Trump. These phony pro-life GOP congressmen and senators haven’t even defunded America’s largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood.

Fourthly, as to ending the federal government’s extravagant spending habits, what a crock! During 8 years of a Republican majority in the House of Representatives, the federal debt INCREASED $7.9 trillion. And a Trump presidency did nothing to reduce Washington’s out-of-control spending—even with Republicans in control of both houses of Congress.

Fifthly, what about Trump’s promise to “drain the swamp”? This is one of Trump’s biggest lies of all. Trump never intended to drain the swamp. From the outset of his presidency, he began appointing mostly CFR globalists, neocons, warmongers, Zionists, corporate elitists and corrupt government insiders to his administration. And he hasn’t stopped.

I am absolutely sick and tired of hearing my conservative Christian brethren say things like, “Trump is trying his best, but he’s getting no help from his cabinet and staff.” Well, DUH! Who picked his cabinet and staff? Trump did.

Then they say things like, “Trump doesn’t really understand these issues; he really wants to do right, but he’s getting bad advice.” BARF! If he didn’t understand the issues, he’s had two full years as President of the United States to get caught up. But he continues to make the same unconstitutional, big-government, warmongering decisions over and over again. The excuse that “he wants to do right, but is getting bad advice” just doesn’t wash anymore. It’s time for Trump’s supporters to wake up and realize that Donald Trump is a great big boy, not a little kid, and is fully capable of thinking for himself.

Donald Trump knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s known exactly what he’s been doing from day number one. He is the consummate con man. He is a charlatan. He is a double-tongued pretender. He has filled the executive branch of the federal government with the same crooks as presidents before him.
 
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And here is William Barr’s statement that “red flag” gun confiscation laws are the “single most important thing” government can do regarding gun control.

Internet blogger and longtime supporter of Donald Trump, Carl F. Worden, recently wrote this:

Now I can understand how Trump fell for the wrongful nominations of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray. That was early-on in Trump’s presidency and Trump had no way of knowing those he trusted for advice were, in fact, Deep State maggots intent on destroying his presidency. But this is a solid two years into Trump’s first term, and it is more than obvious that Barr will not be a team player for Trump — or us! In fact, Barr has a very troubling record on Second Amendment issues.

At this time, I have no confidence left in Donald J. Trump. He is either a complete fool, or he knows exactly what he’s doing, and either way, he’s not fit to represent me anymore.

No more excuses, Mr. Trump!

Bravo, Carl!

Sadly, a host of Trump’s supporters continue to be bamboozled by the elaborate psyops misinformation (translated: propaganda) entity known as QAnon, which keeps reassuring the Trump faithful that he is covertly waging war against the globalist insiders and that any day now the curtain is going to collapse on the swamp creatures. It’s all a hoax to give Trump cover—and more time.

If the nomination of William Barr as America’s next “Top Cop” doesn’t awaken the “Always Trumpers,” there is absolutely no hope for them. Even worse is the fact that the longer Christians and conservatives continue to make excuses for Trump’s lies and deceptions, there is less and less hope for America.

And here is William Barr’s statement that “red flag” gun confiscation laws are the “single most important thing” government can do regarding gun control.

Internet blogger and longtime supporter of Donald Trump, Carl F. Worden, recently wrote this:

Now I can understand how Trump fell for the wrongful nominations of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray. That was early-on in Trump’s presidency and Trump had no way of knowing those he trusted for advice were, in fact, Deep State maggots intent on destroying his presidency. But this is a solid two years into Trump’s first term, and it is more than obvious that Barr will not be a team player for Trump — or us! In fact, Barr has a very troubling record on Second Amendment issues.

At this time, I have no confidence left in Donald J. Trump. He is either a complete fool, or he knows exactly what he’s doing, and either way, he’s not fit to represent me anymore.

No more excuses, Mr. Trump!

Bravo, Carl!

Sadly, a host of Trump’s supporters continue to be bamboozled by the elaborate psyops misinformation (translated: propaganda) entity known as QAnon, which keeps reassuring the Trump faithful that he is covertly waging war against the globalist insiders and that any day now the curtain is going to collapse on the swamp creatures. It’s all a hoax to give Trump cover—and more time.

If the nomination of William Barr as America’s next “Top Cop” doesn’t awaken the “Always Trumpers,” there is absolutely no hope for them. Even worse is the fact that the longer Christians and conservatives continue to make excuses for Trump’s lies and deceptions, there is less and less hope for America.

Now It’s William Barr: When Will Christians And Conservatives Stop Making Excuses For Donald Trump?

WE'VE BEEN CONNED FOLKS. IT'S THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC: OBOMINATION ~ TRUMP - THE POLAR OPPOSITES. WAKE UP CHRISTIANS! WE WERE WARNED TO BEWARE OF THOSE WHO COME TO US IN SHEEPS CLOTHING!

NOW I KNOW THAT ALL THE THINGS GOD HAS SHOWN ME OVER THE PAST MONTHS IS TRUE: TRUMP IS FAKE. HE'S ILLUMINATI. CHRISTIANS ARE SO BENT ON HAVING A SAVIOR THAT THEY'RE THROWING ASIDE THEIR SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT! WE'RE BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE!
 

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And here is William Barr’s statement that “red flag” gun confiscation laws are the “single most important thing” government can do regarding gun control.

Internet blogger and longtime supporter of Donald Trump, Carl F. Worden, recently wrote this:

Now I can understand how Trump fell for the wrongful nominations of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray. That was early-on in Trump’s presidency and Trump had no way of knowing those he trusted for advice were, in fact, Deep State maggots intent on destroying his presidency. But this is a solid two years into Trump’s first term, and it is more than obvious that Barr will not be a team player for Trump — or us! In fact, Barr has a very troubling record on Second Amendment issues.

At this time, I have no confidence left in Donald J. Trump. He is either a complete fool, or he knows exactly what he’s doing, and either way, he’s not fit to represent me anymore.

No more excuses, Mr. Trump!

Bravo, Carl!

Sadly, a host of Trump’s supporters continue to be bamboozled by the elaborate psyops misinformation (translated: propaganda) entity known as QAnon, which keeps reassuring the Trump faithful that he is covertly waging war against the globalist insiders and that any day now the curtain is going to collapse on the swamp creatures. It’s all a hoax to give Trump cover—and more time.

If the nomination of William Barr as America’s next “Top Cop” doesn’t awaken the “Always Trumpers,” there is absolutely no hope for them. Even worse is the fact that the longer Christians and conservatives continue to make excuses for Trump’s lies and deceptions, there is less and less hope for America.

And here is William Barr’s statement that “red flag” gun confiscation laws are the “single most important thing” government can do regarding gun control.

Internet blogger and longtime supporter of Donald Trump, Carl F. Worden, recently wrote this:

Now I can understand how Trump fell for the wrongful nominations of Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and FBI Director Christopher Wray. That was early-on in Trump’s presidency and Trump had no way of knowing those he trusted for advice were, in fact, Deep State maggots intent on destroying his presidency. But this is a solid two years into Trump’s first term, and it is more than obvious that Barr will not be a team player for Trump — or us! In fact, Barr has a very troubling record on Second Amendment issues.

At this time, I have no confidence left in Donald J. Trump. He is either a complete fool, or he knows exactly what he’s doing, and either way, he’s not fit to represent me anymore.

No more excuses, Mr. Trump!

Bravo, Carl!

Sadly, a host of Trump’s supporters continue to be bamboozled by the elaborate psyops misinformation (translated: propaganda) entity known as QAnon, which keeps reassuring the Trump faithful that he is covertly waging war against the globalist insiders and that any day now the curtain is going to collapse on the swamp creatures. It’s all a hoax to give Trump cover—and more time.

If the nomination of William Barr as America’s next “Top Cop” doesn’t awaken the “Always Trumpers,” there is absolutely no hope for them. Even worse is the fact that the longer Christians and conservatives continue to make excuses for Trump’s lies and deceptions, there is less and less hope for America.

Now It’s William Barr: When Will Christians And Conservatives Stop Making Excuses For Donald Trump?

WE'VE BEEN CONNED FOLKS. IT'S THE HEGELIAN DIALECTIC: OBOMINATION ~ TRUMP - THE POLAR OPPOSITES. WAKE UP CHRISTIANS! WE WERE WARNED TO BEWARE OF THOSE WHO COME TO US IN SHEEPS CLOTHING!

NOW I KNOW THAT ALL THE THINGS GOD HAS SHOWN ME OVER THE PAST MONTHS IS TRUE: TRUMP IS FAKE. HE'S ILLUMINATI. CHRISTIANS ARE SO BENT ON HAVING A SAVIOR THAT THEY'RE THROWING ASIDE THEIR SPIRITUAL DISCERNMENT! WE'RE BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE!


A quote from your post: "OBOMINATION ~ TRUMP - THE POLAR OPPOSITES. WAKE UP CHRISTIANS! WE WERE WARNED TO BEWARE OF THOSE WHO COME TO US IN SHEEPS CLOTHING!"

The Scriptures mention false prophets to beware of (Matt.7:15), but our President isn't a prophet.
Maybe Christians should beware of him, but not as a spiritual leader.
So, I'm just saying I do not look to President Trump in a spiritual sense, as if he were a Pastor/Elder.

Did I miss your intent with this post?
 

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A quote from your post: "OBOMINATION ~ TRUMP - THE POLAR OPPOSITES. WAKE UP CHRISTIANS! WE WERE WARNED TO BEWARE OF THOSE WHO COME TO US IN SHEEPS CLOTHING!"

The Scriptures mention false prophets to beware of (Matt.7:15), but our President isn't a prophet.
Maybe Christians should beware of him, but not as a spiritual leader.
So, I'm just saying I do not look to President Trump in a spiritual sense, as if he were a Pastor/Elder.

Did I miss your intent with this post?
Yes I didn't check on the exact application of Scripture. I was looking more of it as being a general principle - there are other warnings: "Behold I send you out as sheep among wolves" and "Satan appears as an angel of light."

I'm as disappointed as anyone - I put so much prayer into it, asking God for Trump to be elected. Maybe that's why I was led on the path I was. I really think it's getting to the point where Americans - and Australians and others, have to disobey their government because it's not serving We the People. I hope more people wake up.
 

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Yes I didn't check on the exact application of Scripture. I was looking more of it as being a general principle - there are other warnings: "Behold I send you out as sheep among wolves" and "Satan appears as an angel of light."

I'm as disappointed as anyone - I put so much prayer into it, asking God for Trump to be elected. Maybe that's why I was led on the path I was. I really think it's getting to the point where Americans - and Australians and others, have to disobey their government because it's not serving We the People. I hope more people wake up.

God appoints the leaders we need and deserve at the time.

Disobey the government to what end? Rioting and death in the street? A collapse of all forms of defense? A collapse of the economic system? Surrendering the government to a dictator or socialism?

First, you have to get all of these people to understand what the Democrats want is evil. But they are going right along with him and wanting the same thing.

I can find no hint in the Bible or the news that the people of the world will change for the better.
 

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God appoints the leaders we need and deserve at the time.

Disobey the government to what end? Rioting and death in the street? A collapse of all forms of defense? A collapse of the economic system? Surrendering the government to a dictator or socialism?

First, you have to get all of these people to understand what the Democrats want is evil. But they are going right along with him and wanting the same thing.

I can find no hint in the Bible or the news that the people of the world will change for the better.
I do not think that God appoints leaders, the people do that and they reap what they sow.
God is not in charge of this world, Satan is a power.

To say that God appoints the leaders is to say that the 6 million Jews was Gods doing, fact was that that was Satan's doing, the Talmud mob have been killing Israelites from way back to their Golden Calf, they tried to kill Holy Moses as well, the Talmud is not Israel at all, it's Satanist, claiming to be Jews and they lead the whole world astray.
Yes the Talmud love to call the 6 million killed a Burnt Offering because it was to their god Satan.

Not true Christian calls killing 6 million Jews a Burn Offering, it's called Genocide, not to mention that such was Satanic, not of God at all, but of mans works and that's a fact.
 
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I do not think that God appoints leaders, the people do that and they reap what they sow.
God is not in charge of this world, Satan is a power.

To say that God appoints the leaders is to say that the 6 million Jews was Gods doing, fact was that that was Satan's doing, the Talmud mob have been killing Israelites from way back to their Golden Calf, they tried to kill Holy Moses as well, the Talmud is not Israel at all, it's Satanist, claiming to be Jews and they lead the whole world astray.
Yes the Talmud love to call the 6 million killed a Burnt Offering because it was to their god Satan.

Not true Christian calls killing 6 million Jews a Burn Offering, it's called Genocide, not to mention that such was Satanic, not of God at all, but of mans works and that's a fact.

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13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
 

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Romans 13:1 New International Version (NIV)
Submission to Governing Authorities
13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Yes Stalin ! sure thing. established by God you say.

You have got your understanding mixed up of this verse.

When the ones who creep in to Israel and took over the vineyard, then killed all of Gods prophets and not to mention Jesus, they must of been authority that God had established hey ?
The thing is they destroyed Israel and Judah you know.

The only authority is that established is as to Christ Jesus and if one is outside of that one is not of authority but of Satan.
 
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I saw this in a newspaper I started prescribing to:

Now It’s William Barr: When Will Christians And Conservatives Stop Making Excuses For Donald Trump?
The Washington Standard / January 26, 2019 /

Okay, we all know how awful Hillary Clinton is. We all know that Donald Trump said all the right things (well, many of the right things) on the campaign trail. We all know—at least believed—that Trump was not an establishment insider. We all know that Trump promised to “drain the swamp,” dramatically reduce America’s out-of-control deficit spending, protect the Second Amendment, get America out of its endless foreign wars, terminate taxpayer funding for Planned Parenthood, overturn Roe v Wade and build a wall on our southern border—that Mexico would pay for—in order to stop the flow of illegal immigration into America.

Now, after two full years of a Donald Trump administration in which he enjoyed both houses of Congress being held by fellow Republicans, we all know (and if we don’t, it’s because we don’t WANT to know) that none of the above has happened. Yet, Christians and conservatives by the millions continue to make excuses for this faker.

First, a brief comment about the border wall: All of the drama regarding a partial government shutdown and incessant public theater by actors from both political parties is quite nauseating. Republicans had control of both houses of Congress and the White House for two years. Why wasn’t money appropriated for the wall then? Why was there no government shutdown over the lack of funding for the border wall then? Why wait until Democrats take over the House to shut down (partially) the federal government and threaten to declare a State of National Emergency?

Forgive me, but this stinks to high heaven. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors. All of the high profile theatrics over the border wall is the biggest distraction to envelop our country in quite a spell. While everyone is fighting over the wall, some very serious attacks against our liberties are being waged almost without notice. And all of the hullabaloo over the wall is completely covering up Trump’s failure to carry out the rest of his campaign promises—and the fact that Trump himself has often worked in direct opposition to many of his campaign promises.

Secondly, his rhetoric notwithstanding, President Trump has NOT drawn down America’s involvement in endless foreign wars. Trump’s promise to bring U.S. forces home from Syria is so much hot air. Trump’s “immediate” withdrawal order is now mired in an indefinite time schedule. In other words, there is no time schedule. Our troops that are still fighting in Syria are not only still based in Syria, but they are also still using bases in Iraq as launching pads for military excursions into Syria. Of course, Trump promised that the U.S. bases in Iraq were not going anywhere—and that’s one promise he will keep.

Our troops are still fighting endless wars in Afghanistan and Somalia. In fact, Trump has shoved record military spending through Congress and has done nothing to reduce America’s global military presence (U.S. troops are stationed in over 160 countries, which equates to 95% of the world’s foreign military bases). America is as much the global cop as it was when Trump was elected. No, that’s not quite true: We are MUCH MORE the global cop than when Trump was elected, as Trump has expanded our military presence in Eastern Europe to unprecedented levels—levels not even seen during the Cold War.

Thirdly, as we have just passed the 46th anniversary of the ignoble Roe v Wade Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion-on-demand nationwide, unborn children continue to be legally murdered—in spite of the fact that Donald Trump was President and Republicans controlled both houses of Congress during the past two years. All of Trump’s “pro-life” rhetoric hasn’t saved the life of a single unborn baby. Since Trump was elected, over 2 million unborn children have been mercilessly murdered in the wombs of their mothers—with the complete approbation of a Republican-led federal government.

The GOP controlled the entire federal government for 4.6 years of G.W. Bush’s eight years in office—and they controlled the entire federal government for the past two years of Donald Trump’s presidency. They did NOTHING about Roe v Wade under Bush, and they have done NOTHING about Roe v Wade under Trump. These phony pro-life GOP congressmen and senators haven’t even defunded America’s largest abortion provider, Planned Parenthood.

Fourthly, as to ending the federal government’s extravagant spending habits, what a crock! During 8 years of a Republican majority in the House of Representatives, the federal debt INCREASED $7.9 trillion. And a Trump presidency did nothing to reduce Washington’s out-of-control spending—even with Republicans in control of both houses of Congress.

Fifthly, what about Trump’s promise to “drain the swamp”? This is one of Trump’s biggest lies of all. Trump never intended to drain the swamp. From the outset of his presidency, he began appointing mostly CFR globalists, neocons, warmongers, Zionists, corporate elitists and corrupt government insiders to his administration. And he hasn’t stopped.

I am absolutely sick and tired of hearing my conservative Christian brethren say things like, “Trump is trying his best, but he’s getting no help from his cabinet and staff.” Well, DUH! Who picked his cabinet and staff? Trump did.

Then they say things like, “Trump doesn’t really understand these issues; he really wants to do right, but he’s getting bad advice.” BARF! If he didn’t understand the issues, he’s had two full years as President of the United States to get caught up. But he continues to make the same unconstitutional, big-government, warmongering decisions over and over again. The excuse that “he wants to do right, but is getting bad advice” just doesn’t wash anymore. It’s time for Trump’s supporters to wake up and realize that Donald Trump is a great big boy, not a little kid, and is fully capable of thinking for himself.

Donald Trump knows exactly what he’s doing. He’s known exactly what he’s been doing from day number one. He is the consummate con man. He is a charlatan. He is a double-tongued pretender. He has filled the executive branch of the federal government with the same crooks as presidents before him.
This writer does not work for Trump's PR division I take it.
 

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Yes I didn't check on the exact application of Scripture. I was looking more of it as being a general principle - there are other warnings: "Behold I send you out as sheep among wolves" and "Satan appears as an angel of light."

I'm as disappointed as anyone - I put so much prayer into it, asking God for Trump to be elected. Maybe that's why I was led on the path I was. I really think it's getting to the point where Americans - and Australians and others, have to disobey their government because it's not serving We the People. I hope more people wake up.
I had a bloke who had always voted for the major left all his life, now that he is retired he has been ranting to only vote for the major right wing gov because he now knows that the left is going to tax his nest egg, he ranted to me only vote for the two major payers or you are tossing your vote away, thing is I would not give the two major players my vote because they are traitors and have been for years, only now the traitors are much more obvious as they are hell bent on selling Australia out for low life morons and shafting the people who have worked to build up and love our Nation and do not want it bastardised by Satanic devious morons who are only milking it for all they can get, let alone the ones who are bagging our forefathers no end, I don't see any of the major Party's truly stand up for our forefathers and hammer all the short sighted narrow minded wimps who are complaining, fact is without people like our forefathers they would be back in the stone age, I have never seen bludgers and no hopers or criminals make a go of anything but trouble.
 
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I think we need to pray for our nation. It can't be long before God puts us under judgment for how evil it has become. I just hope He acts soon. This country is becoming uninhabitable for Christians.
I think Christians first need to pray for themselves. Get themselves right first, then worry about the nation. The fact that Christians in America were so out of touch with reality that they considered Trump as some sort of saving messiah (and still do) tells me they need to get to grips with God first, before praying and getting involved in the political affairs of those about whom they have no clue.
God appoints the leaders we need and deserve at the time.
Some could question that. Did the Russians need and deserve Lenin and Trotsky then Stalin? Did the Cambodians need and deserve Pol Pot? Did the Poles, the French, and the Belgians need and deserve Hitler? Did the Okinawans deserve Hirohito? Did any nation need and deserve a conquering power to decimate their culture, murder their people, and steal the lands? The native Americans? The Australian aborigines? The NZ Maori? Both sides of the argument has salient points, but there are nuances need to be determined before making blanket statements like the above. I don't think Paul was saying that quite so bluntly when he spoke of God appointing ruler over nations, particularly in matter where the authority of God's laws and commandments were cast aside by the ruling power...like Shadrack, Meschak and Abednigo. I think your espression "needing and deserving" could do with a slight revision perhaps.
 

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God appoints the leaders we need and deserve at the time.

Disobey the government to what end? Rioting and death in the street? A collapse of all forms of defense? A collapse of the economic system? Surrendering the government to a dictator or socialism?

First, you have to get all of these people to understand what the Democrats want is evil. But they are going right along with him and wanting the same thing.

I can find no hint in the Bible or the news that the people of the world will change for the better.

We should never forget that everything Adolf Hitler did in Germany was "legal" and everything the Hungarian freedom fighters did in Hungary was "illegal." ~Martin Luther King, Jr., "Letter from Birmingham Jail," Why We Can't Wait, 1963

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:315

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them." --Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, 1787. ME 6:373, Papers 12:356

“A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
― Edward R. Murrow

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness- That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed-That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of those ends, it is Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Should we obey governments that are bad?
Romans 13:1 says, "Let every person be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God." If this is so, what about the bad governments like the Nazis or the Communist regimes where they killed millions? If God is the one who sets up governments, are we supposed to obey those bad governments?

The answer is no.

We are to obey governments unless they violate Scripture. Acts 5:29 says, "We must obey God rather than men." Whenever a government violates biblical teaching, Christians are obligated to disobey that government. For example, if a government were to declare that we should kill all Asians, or immigrants, or people with Down's syndrome, we should disobey. Governments are run by people and often become corrupt. Furthermore, the Bible never tells us to obey governments in contradiction to the revealed word of God.

In the Old Testament, God sent the Israelites to destroy different nations. Technically speaking, we could say that God set up those various governmental systems that he told the Israelites to destroy. But when systems become ungodly and anti-Christian, they are no longer properly representing God and should not be obeyed.

Are we seeing a conflict or a contradiction? Not at all. Let's take, for example, Exodus 20, where we see two commandments: obey your parents and do not murder. We can see that our parents are the authorities above us, even as governments are, and we should obey them. But, what should we do it our parents tell us to murder someone? Should we obey? Of course not. Obedience to our parents is only proper when it's consistent with the rest of the Scriptures. Likewise, submission to the governmental systems is only proper when it is consistent with Scripture.

Finally, let's look at Rom. 13:6-7, "For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing. 7 Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor." Notice that Paul says that the rulers are servants of God. This is the context of the submission that is mentioned at the beginning of the chapter. If these rulers are no longer servants of God, and if they contradict Scripture, they are not to be obeyed.

Should we obey governments that are bad? | CARM.org


Civil Disobedience—Examples in Scripture
In Exodus 1, the Egyptian Pharaoh gave the clear command to two Hebrew midwives that they were to kill all male Jewish babies. An extreme patriot would have carried out the government’s order, yet the Bible says the midwives disobeyed Pharaoh and “feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt had commanded them, but let the boys live” (Exodus 1:17). The Bible goes on to say the midwives lied to Pharaoh about why they were letting the children live; yet even though they lied and disobeyed their government, “God was good to the midwives, and the people multiplied, and became very mighty. Because the midwives feared God, He established households for them” (Exodus 1:20–21).

In Joshua 2, Rahab directly disobeyed a command from the king of Jericho to produce the Israelite spies who had entered the city to gain intelligence for battle. Instead, she let them down via a rope so they could escape. Even though Rahab had received a clear order from the top government official, she resisted the command and was redeemed from the city’s destruction when Joshua and the Israeli army destroyed it.

The book of 1 Samuel records a command given by King Saul during a military campaign that no one could eat until Saul had won his battle with the Philistines. However, Saul’s son Jonathan, who had not heard the order, ate honey to refresh himself from the hard battle the army had waged. When Saul found out about it, he ordered his son to die. However, the people resisted Saul and his command and saved Jonathan from being put to death (1 Samuel 14:45).
 

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Another example of civil disobedience in keeping with biblical submission is found in 1 Kings 18. That chapter briefly introduces a man named Obadiah who “feared the Lord greatly.” When the queen Jezebel was killing God’s prophets, Obadiah took a hundred of them and hid them from her so they could live. Such an act was in clear defiance of the ruling authority’s wishes.
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I got to wondering why all the people from Guatemala, Honduras, etc. were flocking here and looked it up. I felt so sick when I read that Americans in key positions in the American government - named Dulles - drove the people off their land because they wanted it. Americans are nothing but big fat bullies, and our sinful leaders have bullied the world, not for the reasons they've lied about, it's because the fat cats feeding off the misery of the world are raping the resources of other countries to enrich themselves. It made me see people feeing their countries in a different light. They're victims being driven to escape poverty because their lands and stability have been raped by America. I think it's all in the plan of the NWO. The politicians enrich themselves by taking the lands belong to the Guatemalans and others, so that two things are accomplished: Certain politicians are enriched, and it fulfills the 2nd goal: erasing the border, so we become the North American Union. Don't you see? It's what Merkel did to Germany, what Theresa May and the others did to the UK which is why there is Brexit. They're all in on it! We've been made fools of. Don't ignore the hand signs they all flash showing allegiance to the illuminati - Trump does it, so did Merkel, May, Blair, the Pope, and others. And I just read the murderess Pelosi is illuminati.

I think we should enlighten our fellow Americans about Agenda 21 and the NWO. The author of the next link advocates descending on Washington and demanding change. I'll tell you right now Donald Trump is not who he pretends to be. He's elite and the sooner Christians realize just what he is the better. He is NOT the savior Christians hoped for. Ann Coulter came out and said it. He's no different than the last crooked Presidents we've had - they're all in on it, fooling the American people. How they must laugh at us! He's going to continue combining Mexico, Honduras, Guatemala, and Canada into one, just like the elites planned. I just think Americans are going to have a rude awakening when we become poorer and our lifestyle changes. The manufacturing was sent out of the country - I don't know what work they have planned for Americans. The government is a big fat monster with endless workers. Just how many people have to be employed by the government?

There is a depopulation agenda, part of which are all the drugs that have flooded in. Our area was hard hit and I've seen the deaths, but it's nationwide. Clinton signed NAFTA and the DEA knew drugs were being trucked in and Clinton forbade them to speak. So here is a President who knows the evil and abject suffering he's inflicting and yet does nothing? He should be run out of America! That's evil beyond salvation! Look at the suffering that ensued. Yet where is the outcry? Americans are stupid. We're kept busy with "bread and circuses." Try talking to people about this and you'll see the same faraway look - the same indifference. But they'll know what underwear Kim Kardashian is wearing this week, or what ball team won, or what the latest iPhone is out. Bread and circus.

Then they stopped allowing the elderly pain patients to have access to pain relief, and stopped allowing Vets access to pain relief - so that a number have committed suicide. I myself was only given about 15 Norco following major surgery. I was in a bad way and I had some pretty unholy thoughts. It's barbaric what's being done. Trump ordered production of morphine to be cut. How is that helping when the border is wide open and drugs keep getting trucked in??? One of my family members worked as a death scene investigator for the ME's office and told me the deaths are from illegal drugs flooding in from Mexico, NOT prescriptions. So why is production being cut? Why are grandmas pain pills for arthritis being taken away? Why are people whose bodies have been decimated in an accident being forced to pay for $240 urine tests each month? Why are Americans forced to have their urine tested to be in pain management while the border is wide open? WHO in government is getting kickbacks from this industry? Most people don't know this unless they're directly affected or know someone who is.

One of my family members is a pharmacy tech and they've turned them into spies. What does that remind you of? Do you recall reading that in a history book? I'm active in the chronic pain community and people everywhere are desperate and can't believe our government is interfering with our health care. A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves. What right has any government to interfere with someones doctor/patient relationship? What government representative has the right to say if you get pain relief and how much? It's scary folks - wake up! Obomination built it into Obominationcare that the elderly are only to receive "palliative" medicine (rationing) they're not to receive any expensive medical procedures. I talked to a hospital administrator who told me that all her elderly patients were denied medical procedures, she said something telling: "I swear they want these old people to die." When was the last time you heard of the imperfect being killed? Only they're not overtly gassing them, they're simply denying them pain relief and that outcome is predicable. Self-genocide.

Look at photos of tanks driving through American streets with police driving in them. Look at the militarized police, and how a number of them have brutalized your fellow humans, and no judge or jury will convict them. When has it become acceptable that multiple police hold a young man down and tase his testicles until death? IT'S BARBARIC AND AMERICANS SHOULDN'T ACCEPT IT! But they do. I've had a lot of physical pain and it's caused me to put myself in another's shoes. But shouldn't we all do this? I didn't always - God put me through the school of suffering so that now I empathize with what another feels. Are we so cold and callous that we can't put ourselves in another's shoes until God strikes us with affliction? Can we empathize with others before God allows affliction? The bible tells us to speak up for those who can't speak for themselves. Are we? Really folks - get out your history books because we're seeing Nazi Germany! The Brown Shirts. I'm shocked that so many are like the frog in the proverbial pot of hot water and we don't know we're being cooked. When I try to tell people I'm dismissed, or they'll look away and then turn back and share the latest bar they went to. Or they'll flip you off and say you're being too serious; lighten up - enjoy FaceBook so you can see that Aunt Margaret had her gall bladder out last Tuesday, and look at me! I have 500 friends! And I can brag to all of them how great my life is! It's scary. Bread and circus. It's all there - all the threads of the NWO if anyone cares to put the pieces together.

Christians want so bad to believe that Trump is for them that they're overlooking his lies. Lying is a sure tipoff that someone isn't a Christian - who is the Father of Lies???

I'm older so I can't lead anything, but I'm hoping against hope that someone who is strong and who has a lot of backing will organize the people to descend on Washington. I think people have to stop letting it be business as usual.

I tried to get others to pray with me to remove some of the evil legislators and no one would even do that. I think we should pray that Pelosi is removed because she's evil. And I don't doubt that she's in cahoots with Trump. They're all in on it, and we're the bumpkins paying our taxes and supporting evil people who have no right to be in positions of ruling us. I could go to the local street corner and find someone who is more qualified to lead. Why do we let them lead? Why are we letting them lead us over a cliff? It's all a game, the left right paradigm - Republican/ Democrat. They appeal to the lefties and the conservatives. Only in this game none of us win.

Did you ever think that maybe we're the ones to usher in Armageddon?

If you want to see how 'noble' America has been to other countries read this: Thomas Jefferson calling: The time for revolution is now
 
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Romans 13:1-2
Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God. Therefore whoever resists authority has opposed the ordinance of God; and they who have opposed will receive condemnation upon themselves.

Genesis 9:5-6
"Surely I will require your lifeblood; from every beast I will require it. And from every man, from every man's brother I will require the life of man. "Whoever sheds man's blood, By man his blood shall be shed, For in the image of God He made man.

Daniel 2:21
"It is He who changes the times and the epochs; He removes kings and establishes kings; He gives wisdom to wise men And knowledge to men of understanding.

Daniel 2:37-38
"You, O king, are the king of kings, to whom the God of heaven has given the kingdom, the power, the strength and the glory; and wherever the sons of men dwell, or the beasts of the field, or the birds of the sky, He has given them into your hand and has caused you to rule over them all. You are the head of gold.

Daniel 4:17
"This sentence is by the decree of the angelic watchers And the decision is a command of the holy ones, In order that the living may know That the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind, And bestows it on whom He wishes And sets over it the lowliest of men."

John 19:11
Jesus answered, "You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above; for this reason he who delivered Me to you has the greater sin."

Peter 2:13
Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every human institution, whether to a king as the one in authority,

Romans 13:4
for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil.

Isaiah 45:1
Thus says the LORD to Cyrus His anointed, Whom I have taken by the right hand, To subdue nations before him And to loose the loins of kings; To open doors before him so that gates will not be shut:

Romans 13:6
For because of this you also pay taxes, for rulers are servants of God, devoting themselves to this very thing.

1 Timothy 2:2
for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.

1 Peter 2:14
or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the praise of those who do right.

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