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TLHKAJ

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Christ always came to defense of women...example set...period.
His statement regarding the little ones and the milestone, may not be addressing abuse...it is my belief.
Do not tolerate it....period.
Those words of Jesus have very deep meaning... the implication is that if an adult offends in any way (and abuse is a huge offense) or causes one of these little ones to sin, it is a severe offense to Him.
 

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abusers can be very mocking.
in my depression where i woudl sleep for days i was called a jewish american princess which is actually racist, other things like prima donna..... ive been called other implications such as cinderella when i did any work, esmerelda, or princess leia.

my ex who i now consider a bit abusive would call me gagarella because i had an eating disorder.
 

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Yes. I know that I have reacted and responded strongly over the last few weeks or so after seeing thread after thread after thread by men claiming God condones rape, and that God condones marital abuse/rape ...and others belittling women and misinterpreting scripture to fit their agendas. It is an epidemic far worse than the fake c19. So, seeing men clamour to one thread where they could talk about what they like in a woman (which mostly relates to beauty and submission and servitude) ...while this other thread (claiming God condones rape) had 0% of those men's attention...and then again with subsequent "rape" threads ...I have been even more disgusted with the church world...or what most religious people call "the church." It is a sad representation of who Jesus Christ is. I don't see very many men who are willing to defend the poor, needy, and abused. I see women doing that .....but with all the talk about men as leaders and being the head, being stronger, etc .....where the heck are these "men" when it comes to actually walking the walk as Jesus would?

Sorry, another ramble..... lol
Not a ramble but a vent. And rightly so.
While threads that invite the type of men you described, those that support domination over women, sexual and physical, while corrupting God's word in order to then claim God ordains that deviant perverted mind set are evil and frustrating to read maybe consider this.
They're also a blessing. Because while we all use pseudonyms here for our personal privacy, men, who exploit that net anonymity and speak in such ways about women are forewarning the world about themselves. And their personal animus for women, their immorality and indecency.
Their obscenities are compounded when they attempt , and fail, to invoke God and his word as being in agreement with their depraved misogyny.

So, while reading such foul males exposing their dark hearts can make one feel ill, consider it also serves to inform the rest of us, especially women, we should pray for those sisters who are in or come into contact with such devil's as those who boast they are among us.

Personally, with regard to those who offend through rape, sexual harassment, misogynistic "principles" , I take satisfaction in knowing they have God's judgement awaiting them.
God!
Who knows they use his word to abuse and belittle his daughters.

Given that I'd think they'd hope yo live in the flesh forever.

In prison? Some of the hardest time served is by those who are there for rape.
 
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abusers can be very mocking.
in my depression where i woudl sleep for days i was called a jewish american princess which is actually racist, other things like prima donna..... ive been called other implications such as cinderella when i did any work, esmerelda, or princess leia.

my ex who i now consider a bit abusive would call me gagarella because i had an eating disorder.
That was a horrible for your ex to do. So many survivors of sexual abuse develop eating disorders. I was anorexic through my entire teen years. At my lowest, I was 85lbs at 5' 5". I had another bout with anorexia in 2007 when some alters came forward with satanic ritual abuse memories, and extreme grief and guilt that we lived while others died... along with memories of being forced to consume ....anyway, idk how you're doing today and don't want to trigger. But all that to say, these alters insisted we should not eat more than 500 calories a day, and certainly no meat!! I subsequently developed IBS type symptoms so that when I did eat, it went straight through me. I lost 30lbs very quickly. The Lord brought healing though, and those alters merged.
 
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Yes. I know that I have reacted and responded strongly over the last few weeks or so after seeing thread after thread after thread by men claiming God condones rape, and that God condones marital abuse/rape ...and others belittling women and misinterpreting scripture to fit their agendas. It is an epidemic far worse than the fake c19. So, seeing men clamour to one thread where they could talk about what they like in a woman (which mostly relates to beauty and submission and servitude) ...while this other thread (claiming God condones rape) had 0% of those men's attention...and then again with subsequent "rape" threads ...I have been even more disgusted with the church world...or what most religious people call "the church." It is a sad representation of who Jesus Christ is. I don't see very many men who are willing to defend the poor, needy, and abused. I see women doing that .....but with all the talk about men as leaders and being the head, being stronger, etc .....where the heck are these "men" when it comes to actually walking the walk as Jesus would?

Sorry, another ramble..... lol

Well it's another good ramble. Ramble #2.

I see only good coming from it in a way, because it tends to make women of God stronger. Sort of gets their Irish up, if you will, and when that happens not only the Spirit of God but those led by Him to come to their defense.

I'm just glad I'm in a better mood these days. I'm a havoc to even the people of God when I'm not in the right spirits, but I think He's doing His work in me. The armor needs to shine more and glisten in the sun, and I see that happening more ever day now. :cool:
 

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So anyway ....maybe this thread will weed out the briars and we will see some participation of some real men of God. They do exist ...I know of at least one... @Jostler ...who was (virtually) persecuted and booted from another Christian(?) forum for standing up for the truth and defending victims of sex trafficking. (And they subsequently booted me for the same, and they protected a cult infiltrator who wiggled his way onto the mod team while gaslighting me so as to get me banned.)

Glory.
 

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Personally, with regard to those who offend through rape, sexual harassment, misogynistic "principles" , I take satisfaction in knowing they have God's judgement awaiting them.
God!
Who knows they use his word to abuse and belittle his daughters.

Given that I'd think they'd hope yo live in the flesh forever.

In prison? Some of the hardest time served is by those who are there for rape.
It's true, God will deal with those who commit such crimes. And yet, if they truly repent, He does forgive.

I know you have experienced rape, so I don't want to cause you distress. But my father was a violent abuser who showed genuine remorse and came to Christ just months before he passed away.

I'm grateful he finally accepted God's forgiveness. God spoke to my heart as a baby Christian at age 13, that He would save my dad. I prayed for him for years and it was 32 years before it came to pass.
 
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Well it's another good ramble. Ramble #2.

I see only good coming from it in a way, because it tends to make women of God stronger. Sort of gets their Irish up, if you will, and when that happens not only the Spirit of God but those led by Him to come to their defense.

I'm just glad I'm in a better mood these days. I'm a havoc to even the people of God when I'm not in the right spirits, but I think He's doing His work in me. The armor needs to shine more and glisten in the sun, and I see that happening more ever day now. :cool:
I agree ...and I do have a little Irish in me. :D lol
 

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This is heartbreaking how even a mother could bully someone else's child and revel in it to the point of driving this child to suicide. Lord, that breaks my heart!! How much more, the heart of God?!

I couldn't tell you how many times I tried to die. I didn't know all the classic ways of doing it. But even at age 5, I knew that if someone holds a pillow over your face long enough, you stop breathing. And I knew that boxes had limited oxygen. (I had experienced both.)
So I would take a pillow and crawl into my little brother's toy box, shut the lid, and hold a pillow over my face, hoping I would just die. Or I would go way under my blanket with a pillow and try to die.

Idk why some live and others die. But I sure know the feeling of just not wanting to be in this life anymore. In 1997, when I was 25 years old, after being hit with severe electronic harassment (voice-to-skull and EMF) for months, I cried out to God to let me die. He spoke to me in that moment, "Your life is hidden with Christ in God." I remember where I was when He spoke it. I was walking down my hallway ...and His voice stopped me in my tracks! I said, "What did You say?!" He spoke again..."Your life is hidden with Christ in God!" Those words are what held me through literally years of V2K (voice-to-skull) and EMF harassment, and all the way to this present day. I taught my kids the same ...Colossians 3:3, "You are dead, and your life is hidden with Christ in God." No matter what we face, there is hope and refuge in Christ.

My scriptural namesake. :)

Not many know this about me, but I was rather suicidal for a number of years as a Christian. I was never suicidal as an unbeliever, but eventually I felt the calling of God on me SO strongly that it made me start having a very difficult time with life. I could not be a normal man like so many other men I could see - including other Christian men. He would never let me go, and I always felt this tremendous burden laying upon me that I was separated out to Him and my time could never be my own. I felt I wasn't even a very good husband because of it, and it grieved me because for so many years no one could even saw the value in my dedication to Him. All they saw was a man who didn't seem to "be there" for much of anything else but God.

Don't like to think about it now, LoL. All I know is I am grateful I survived, and I'm glad I have the opportunity now to serve Him in the work He's called me to do.

Thanks for your posts, TLH, and I'm glad we're on good terms again. I'm sorry we were at odds there for a little bit.
 

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I've heard that rape is about control...I just have a hard time understanding why someone would choose violence over love.
It isn't solely about control. It's both.... lust and control ....using their physical strength to overpower someone weaker and satisfy a desire. It's like a drug ...I've seen it.
 

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... a lot my life was spent living with my mother. Guess me and her never really seen eye to eye. So it was always a fight with her a lot growing up; because we just never seen things the same way.

Wow, does that sound familiar...
I've heard that rape is about control...I just have a hard time understanding why someone would choose violence over love.

Me as well. I've never related to it, even as a type of "turn on" for some people. What on earth is the interest in forcing oneself on others and violating them?
It's true, God will deal with those who commit such crimes. And yet, if they truly repent, He does forgive.

I know you have experienced rape, so I don't want to cause you distress. But my father was a violent abuser who showed genuine remorse and came to Christ just months before he passed away.

I'm grateful he finally accepted God's forgiveness. God spoke to my heart as a baby Christian at age 13, that He would save my dad. I prayed for him for years and it was 32 years before it came to pass.

Wonderful testimony. :)
 
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It's true, God will deal with those who commit such crimes. And yet, if they truly repent, He does forgive. I know you have experienced rape, so I don't want to cause you distress. But my father was a violent abuser who showed genuine remorse and came to Christ just months before he passed away.

I'm grateful he finally accepted God's forgiveness. God spoke to my heart as a baby Christian at age 13, that He would save my dad. I prayed for him for years and it was 32 years before it came to pass.
On the precipice of death many come to repentance.
I think they may realize all their sins at once,feel the weight of them and their protracted impact on that life and health of the offender and not want to face eternity burdened.

My parents sent me to parochial school for years. The newly arrived assistant church pastor, also the school principal, was one who was aroused by corporal punishment he'd apply to "sinning" girls. A pastor.


Only God knows the heart.

I'm glad your prayers for your dad were answered in time to know they passed as one forgiven. :)
 
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It isn't solely about control. It's both.... lust and control ....using their physical strength to overpower someone weaker and satisfy a desire. It's like a drug ...I've seen it.
SMH
 

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I'm going to watch that video that @TLHKAJ posted even though I was never an abuser myself just because I'm interested as soon as I have the chance, but I also wanted to add here that there is a big difference of trying to end bullying and name calling and being an absolute snowflake. For it should be noted and pointed out that we're living in an age where people get offended by every little thing. :rolleyes:
 

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I'm going to watch that video that @TLHKAJ posted even though I was never an abuser myself just because I'm interested as soon as I have the chance, but I also wanted to add here that there is a big difference of trying to end bullying and name calling and being an absolute snowflake. For it should be noted and pointed out that we're living in an age where people get offended by every little thing. :rolleyes:
Yes, snowflakes and Karen's. Were that my first name I do believe I'd go by my middle one. lol.

The hyper-sensitive make the news I believe because we're slowly being manipulated away from exercising our right to speak freely. And that then imparts a fear to think freely.

I think it is only going to get more ludacris.
 
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Sexual exploitation is defined as an actual or attempted abuse of someone’s position of vulnerability (such as a person depending on you for survival, food rations, school books, transport or other services), differential power or trust, to obtain sexual favors, including but not only, by offering money or other social, economic or political advantages.

  • Sexual abuse means the actual or threatened physical intrusion of a sexual nature, whether by force, or under unequal or coercive conditions. It includes sexual slavery, pornography, child abuse and sexual assault.
  • Sexual harassment affects personnel and is defined as any unwelcome conduct of a sexual nature that causes offense or humiliation. Sexual harassment may occur in the workplace or in connection with work. While typically involving a pattern of conduct, sexual harassment may take the form of a single incident. In assessing whether the conduct causes offense, the perspective of the victim shall be.

  • "Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven." — Matthew 19:14 (KJV) This verse in the New Testament falls in the context of Jesus leaving Galilee for a final time and heading to Jerusalem. He is confronted by some religious leaders who ask Him tough questions about divorce considered
 

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abusers can be very mocking.
in my depression where i woudl sleep for days i was called a jewish american princess which is actually racist, other things like prima donna..... ive been called other implications such as cinderella when i did any work, esmerelda, or princess leia.

my ex who i now consider a bit abusive would call me gagarella because i had an eating disorder.
:( That's more than a bit abusive.
So sorry to read you endured the abuse you describe there.

That old saying about sticks and stones hasn't a clue. Words can hurt us. They can cut to the quick and, if constant, like in a verbally abusive relationship, can destroy our self confidence.
Verbal abuse is also mental and emotional abuse.

"When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." Maya Angelou

No one has a right to touch us without our permission. We know this.
Why then do we give those close to us permission to assault us verbally?
Hateful words spoken to us imply we are not loved, not respected, by that one uttering them.

But we stay. We accept them apology, the acts of contrition. Flowers, dinner, emptypromises they didn't mean it, and soforth.

I love that Maya quote because it is truth.
Think more of ourselves when in an abusive relationship and leave when someone shows how little they think of us when abusing us.

Never ever give an abuser a second chance. Because they'll take it.
 
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i had a few abusers and a lot of them were able to keep me silent about it all. in fact i feel more like i quite doubt myself in general of what is abuse or its not.
peeople get used to their environments and any different can actually be confusing