In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

[BreadOfLife]

Based on what Greek language model? The clear meaning in the context has to do with an entire grouping of people, not individuals in relation to individual salvation. This practice of yours in trying to relegate the text into whatever subjective framework of your choosing is old and worn out. Cults are formed on this same basis of false practice. Please stick to context rather than trying to make scripture conform to personal, warped interpretations.

BTW

Nonsense.
EVERY individual will be judged based on his or her faith – individually.

Your eternity depends on YOUR individual response to God’s grace – and NOT by somebody else’s.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Nonsense.
EVERY individual will be judged based on his or her faith – individually.

Your eternity depends on YOUR individual response to God’s grace – and NOT by somebody else’s.

At least you knew better than to quote the context because doing so would have exposed your error and love for folly. If it's truly nonsense, then PROVE it! Quote the text and let it speak for itself in the eyes of all others here so they too can see your own nonsense...

BTW

 

[BreadOfLife]

At least you knew better than to quote the context because doing so would have exposed your error and love for folly. If it's truly nonsense, then PROVE it! Quote the text and let it speak for itself in the eyes of all others here so they too can see your own nonsense...

BTW

THIS, coming from a person who believe that people with be judged in groups instead of individually, as Scripture tells us . . .

Matt. 12:36
But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.

Rev. 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

THIS, coming from a person who believe that people with be judged in groups instead of individually, as Scripture tells us . . .

Matt. 12:36
But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken.

Rev. 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

I never said anything about groups being judged in the Judgment. That bit creative license you took to yourself illegitimately.

As before, you have not yet proven your case as requested. Instead you continue in more rhetorical monologue.

BTW

 

[Dan Clarkston]

"Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

"Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the FALSE gospel

There... fixed the title for ya

 

[mailmandan]

The death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ is the heart of the gospel. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

 

[Behold]

How many times is a sinner Saved?

Well, to be saved means they are born again, as a "new Creation" "in Christ".

How many times does that happen?

It happens once, and its eternal, as this is a spiritual birth that is performed by God's Holy Spirit, and that is proof of eternal salvation.

Reader, "Salvation" is eternal life, and eternal life that every Christian possesses, is not temporary.....its ETERNAL.....Life.

Listen...., how you behave as a Christian is not your spiritual birth......its your discipleship.
Your spiritual birth is eternal, and happened once. = born again, if you are really born again, and not just water baptized and religious but lost.

A.) You can't stop being born again, which proves that your salvation is eternal.

Some of you are confessing sin......and even if you do that,.. its not to be re-born again, again.
You realize this.......right?
You are confessing sin, that you committed while being born again, and your sin has no effect on your new birth, because your new birth is eternal.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

1. The Biblical Foundation for Eternal Security

The clearest testimony comes from Christ Himself:

> “I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.”
— John 10:28

Notice the words: eternal, never, no one. Not even you can snatch yourself from His hand. That’s security, not presumption.

This is a classic example of how a cherry picker operates.... they just don't want to accept ALL that the Lord says.

John 10:27-28
My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Notice this promise is ONLY for those that not only hear His voice, but for those that actually follow Him - walking in agreement with Him???

But the gnostics claim they have special revelation that we don't have to listen or accept ALL the Lord says and that's where the false doctrine of OSAS came to be.

The greasy grace grease monkee crowd says this is works based salvation saying we have to actually follow Jesus
This of course is why so many of these folks live after the flesh disqualifying themselves from this wonder promise from the Lord.

Keyword is “follow” - those not following the Lord who are hearers only are deceived and shall be lost.

James 1:22
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

1 John 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

John 8:12
Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life.”

John 12:46
I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 8:51
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my Word, he shall never see death.

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

1 Corinthians 10:12
Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold (take possession) on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

sin has no effect on your new birth

There you have it folks.... this is the so "security in sin" so called gospel where they claim people can live in sin and are still saved.

2 Peter 2:20
For if after they have escaped the pollution of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

The fake OSAS "christians" sure hate 2 Peter 2:20

They use great swelling words of darkened gnostic "wisdom" to try and explain it away which they learned from their father the devil.

 

[mailmandan]

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Ignoring the whole counsel of God is being led by the devil.

 

[mailmandan]

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

So you are claiming that if we confess out sins... we are not actually cleansed of our sins.

Obviously 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, is speaking of claiming we have never sinned (the gnostics of the day claimed they had never ever sinned at all) because verse 9 clearly states that when one confessed their sin they are cleansed of ALL unrighteousness at that moment.... until they fall short of God's absolute perfection at some point in time later.

We'll put you down as someone who claims 1 John 1:9 is a lie

Cherry pickers are always so humorous!

 

[mailmandan]

So you are claiming that if we confess out sins... we are not actually cleansed of our sins.

Obviously 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, is speaking of claiming we have never sinned (the gnostics of the day claimed they had never ever sinned at all) because verse 9 clearly states that when one confessed their sin they are cleansed of ALL unrighteousness at that moment.... until they fall short of God's absolute perfection at some point in time later.

We'll put you down as someone who claims 1 John 1:9 is a lie

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Another straw man argument. It's to be expected from you. Now in regard to 1 John 1:9, notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is IN CONTRAST to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10) This is certainly not about works salvation/earning salvation.

Certain people seem to misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin we have ever committed) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Another straw man argument.

In other words, you cannot prove your false doctrine so all you can do is use that tired old cliché

At least come up with a new smart aleck come back.

If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves

And you continue to falsely claim that when one confesses their sin they are not actually cleansed of all sin. Sad.

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

So this is your round about way of claiming all future sins are automatically forgiven.... meaning there's no need to use 1 John 1:9 at all causing others to stumble making people think they can live in sin and it's all good . And your acknowledgment that you are living in sin as you claim you are an ongoing sinner.

It's too bad you don't understand the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ having been deceive by the wisdom of men being taught as though it were the wisdom of God.

And of course you reject 1 Cor 15:34 because you apparently continually claim you are a sinner and have not been set free.

 

[Iina]

In my study of Holy Scriptures, I have come to see that salvation is not one single moment, but a journey through life with faith, repentance, and persistence. The thought that once someone accepts Christ, they can never lose their faith, no matter how they live, feels to me against the clear warnings in the Bible. Does not Apostle Paul say, "If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk with the Spirit" (Galatians 5:25)? And does not Jesus Himself warn, "If you do not stay in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and dries up; such branches are gathered, thrown into fire, and burned" (John 15:6)?

I also think this teaching can give a false feeling of safety. It may make some people lazy in their faith, forgetting the ongoing work of becoming more holy in their lives. The Bible tells us we must always try to obey God’s commands. Salvation is not only something that happened in the past but something alive and continuing now. As Luther wrote in his thoughts on Romans, "Faith is not just one moment, but a steady, lasting, and enduring way of the heart."

Our faith must show in love, good deeds, and a growing bond with our Lord. To say salvation is safe no matter what we do or how we hold our faith weakens the true meaning of the Gospel. We must keep living our faith with love, good works, and a closer relationship with our Lord, so we do not fall away from faith and face the results of our unfaithfulness.

 

[mailmandan]

In other words, you cannot prove your false doctrine so all you can do is use that tired old cliché

I already proved my doctrine in post #214 but apparently what I shared with you just went right over your head, as usual.

At least come up with a new smart aleck come back.

You wrote the book on being a smart aleck.

And you continue to falsely claim that when one confesses their sin they are not actually cleansed of all sin. Sad.

1 John 1:9 is not about inventory confession/revolving door salvation. Salvation is not probation. Eternal life is not temporary life. Jesus is the door. He is not a revolving door.

You seem to interpret this verse to mean sin (lost salvation, confess cleansed and saved all over again, forget a sin and now you are toast!) and round and round we go. Again, in 1 John 1:9, notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" is IN CONTRAST to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10) You need to read 1 John 1:9 in context and not simply apply your eisegesis to this one cherry picked verse without considering the verses around it.

So this is your round about way of claiming all future sins are automatically forgiven.... meaning there's no need to use 1 John 1:9 at all causing others to stumble making people think they can live in sin and it's all good. And your acknowledgment that you are living in sin as you claim you are an ongoing sinner.

So, this is your roundabout way of claiming that the blood of Christ is insufficient to cleanse believers from all sins? Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Colossians 2:13 - When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions/trespasses/sins.

1 John 1:7 - But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. Who walks in the light? Believers or unbelievers? Only believers are in the light. (Acts 26:18; 2 Corinthians 6:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:4-5) If sets up a contrast in 1 John 1:6 and 1 John 1:7 between children of the devil and children of God, followed by a confirmation.

You need to take 1 John 1:9 in consideration with 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 1:10. I said nothing about living in sin/practicing sin as a child of God. That is your continued straw man argument. 1 John 1:8 is in the present tense, so we are not sinless, 100% of the time, yet children of God do not practice sin. (1 John 3:9) Learn the difference. Now in regard to your inventory confession/forget a sin and you are toast interpretation, who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17) Do you confess your sin of falsely accusing the brethren on this forum? Do you claim that you have no sin? Those who believe they live a sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolute perfect life 100% of the time, exactly as Jesus lived are suffering from a terminal case of self-righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

It's too bad you don't understand the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ having been deceive by the wisdom of men being taught as though it were the wisdom of God.

I understand the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ. The gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

Now you need to confess your sin of slander. In regard to falsely accusing the brethren on this forum, you have a lot of inventory confessing to do. Better get caught up.

And of course you reject 1 Cor 15:34 because you apparently continually claim you are a sinner and have not been set free.

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Another false accusation. You had better get busy confessing. I have been set free from sin by the blood of Jesus Christ through faith. (Acts 13:38-39; 26:18; Romans 3:22-26; Colossians 2:13) So, do you interpret "sin not" as sinless perfection? Paul is writing to the Corinthians here and says, "for some have not the knowledge of God" and "I speak this to your shame." In context, Paul is addressing misled people in their community with bad principles as to deny the resurrection of the dead. Paul had to remind them that bad company corrupts good character and to come back to their senses and stop sinning in this regard. This is not about sinless perfection (1 John 1:8-10) and only Jesus Christ was sinless and perfect 100% of the time. (2 Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 4:15; 1 Peter 2:22)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

In my study of Holy Scriptures, I have come to see that salvation is not one single moment, but a journey through life with faith, repentance, and persistence. The thought that once someone accepts Christ, they can never lose their faith, no matter how they live, feels to me against the clear warnings in the Bible. Does not Apostle Paul say, "If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk with the Spirit" (Galatians 5:25)? And does not Jesus Himself warn, "If you do not stay in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and dries up; such branches are gathered, thrown into fire, and burned" (John 15:6)?

I also think this teaching can give a false feeling of safety. It may make some people lazy in their faith, forgetting the ongoing work of becoming more holy in their lives. The Bible tells us we must always try to obey God’s commands. Salvation is not only something that happened in the past but something alive and continuing now. As Luther wrote in his thoughts on Romans, "Faith is not just one moment, but a steady, lasting, and enduring way of the heart."

Our faith must show in love, good deeds, and a growing bond with our Lord. To say salvation is safe no matter what we do or how we hold our faith weakens the true meaning of the Gospel. We must keep living our faith with love, good works, and a closer relationship with our Lord, so we do not fall away from faith and face the results of our unfaithfulness.

I sometimes have to wonder. Which is worse.

1. Being lazy in faith (and getting chastened by God)

2. Being lazy in faith and thinking you are better than you actually are. (the law required perfection, hence in any moment we are cursed by that law apart from Grace

I agree, Salvation is in many parts.

1. We are saved from the penalty of sin.. This is called being justified, being given eternal life. or as Paul says, Being perfected forever.

2. We are saved from the power of sin - also called sanctification or Christian growth

3. We are finally saved from the ability to sin - this is called glorification.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Thank you for not falling for the fake gospel of the OSAS cult... you are on the right track, the straight and narrow that leads to life.

 

[pandaflower]

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