In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

[mailmandan]

He will never catch that butterfly… will he?

I really did not expect you to understand.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I really did not expect you to understand.

Likewise the butterfly won’t catch him…

We are running after each other, so to speak… without any results.

We will just have to leave it be…

 

[Dan Clarkston]

It must have taking you years to perfect your Bible twisting craft!

That what folks have to do when when they are teaching a different "jesus" and a different "gospel"

 

[Dan Clarkston]

The point is that not all of these Hebrews have become partakers of Christ and of course, the only ones in the end who will be identified as having become partakers of Christ will have been those who held fast the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end.

If OSAS was actually true... they would be saved regardless of whether they held fast the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end or not.

You can't have it both ways and you are contradicting yourself. because in many of your other posts you always toe the company line so to speak and continually claim one can never lose their salvation.

 

[mailmandan]

That what folks have to do when when they are teaching a different "jesus" and a different "gospel"

I teach neither a different Jesus nor a different gospel. Slander seems to come very easily for you which is very telling.

 

[mailmandan]

If OSAS was actually true... they would be saved regardless of whether they held fast the beginning of their confidence steadfast to the end or not.

You can't have it both ways and you are contradicting yourself. because in many of your other posts you always toe the company line so to speak and continually claim one can never lose their salvation.

Holding fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end is the demonstrative evidence that we have become partakers of Christ. I'm not trying to have it both ways and I'm certainly not contradicting myself. OSAS is true but only IF we are truly saved to begin with. I believe in eternal security of the believer, but I don't believe in eternal presumption. Nominal or pseudo Christians out number genuine Christians by far. Hence, your confusion. There seems to be no cure for your anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I teach neither a different Jesus nor a different gospel. Slander seems to come very easily for you which is very telling.

I was referring to someone's post saying OSAS folks engage in scripture twisting... and apparently you are attaching yourself to the scripture twisters. Why would anybody identify with the scripture twisters?

It's funny too because if OSAS doctrine were actually true, it's adherents wouldn't be all upset when someone says it's false.

Like when an atheist comes along and says people who think God is real are insane... I just laugh at them and move on because their claim is meaningless and there's no need to argue with them because they are wrong.

It's very telling that some OSAS followers take it so personal when someone points out they are following error. It's lets us know they don't really believe their own teachings and have to resort to claiming it's "slander" when someone says OSAS doctrine is false.

Holding fast the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end is the demonstrative evidence that we have become partakers of Christ. I'm not trying to have it both ways and I'm certainly not contradicting myself. OSAS is true but only IF we are truly saved to begin with. I believe in eternal security of the believer, but I don't believe in eternal presumption. Nominal or pseudo Christians out number genuine Christians by far. Hence, your confusion. There seems to be no cure for your anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

Nope. OSAS means one can live in sin and still be saved.

I've know lots of OSAS adherents over the years and have seen them live in sin and twist scripture to justify it

All the big time preachers that teach OSAS all claim if one lives in sin they will still go to Heaven although some say either God will chastise them with some cancer, car wrecks, maybe kill one of their children or something to "teach them a lesson". Other says they'll just get a small cabin on the backside of Glory in Heaven if they lived in since during this life but will still be in Heaven.

You confusion is claiming it's not possible to get born again and then fall away... numerous scriptures warn against this and the OSAS folks always twists God's warnings to claim they don't mean what they say which is exactly what satan did with Adam and Eve claiming they would not die spiritually if they ate off of that tree when God said they would.

This is how we know OSAS is false doctrine because adherents must claim God's warnings should be ignored claiming some things the Lord says in His Word are untrue. You have been warned

 

[mailmandan]

That what folks have to do when when they are teaching a different "jesus" and a different "gospel"

You seem eager to join hands and sing kumbaya with anyone who suffers from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome, even if they teach such heretical doctrines as sinless perfection, salvation by works (different gospel) and deny that Jesus is God. (different Jesus) As long as they strongly oppose OSAS, nothing else seems to matter to you.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

anti-OSAS derangement syndrome

Or, perhaps you have ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED derangement syndrome?

 

[shepherdsword]

The heart of the Gospel is the Lord Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. To claim it is anything else is heretical.

 

[mailmandan]

I was referring to someone's post saying OSAS folks engage in scripture twisting... and apparently you are attaching yourself to the scripture twisters. Why would anybody identify with the scripture twisters? View attachment 70642

It's funny too because if OSAS doctrine were actually true, it's adherents wouldn't be all upset when someone says it's false.

Like when an atheist comes along and says people who think God is real are insane... I just laugh at them and move on because their claim is meaningless and there's no need to argue with them because they are wrong.

It's very telling that some OSAS followers take it so personal when someone points out they are following error. It's lets us know they don't really believe their own teachings and have to resort to claiming it's "slander" when someone says OSAS doctrine is false.

Nope. OSAS means one can live in sin and still be saved.

I've know lots of OSAS adherents over the years and have seen them live in sin and twist scripture to justify it

All the big time preachers that teach OSAS all claim if one lives in sin they will still go to Heaven although some say either God will chastise them with some cancer, car wrecks, maybe kill one of their children or something to "teach them a lesson". Other says they'll just get a small cabin on the backside of Glory in Heaven if they lived in since during this life but will still be in Heaven.

You confusion is claiming it's not possible to get born again and then fall away... numerous scriptures warn against this and the OSAS folks always twists God's warnings to claim they don't mean what they say which is exactly what satan did with Adam and Eve claiming they would not die spiritually if they ate off of that tree when God said they would.

This is how we know OSAS is false doctrine because adherents must claim God's warnings should be ignored claiming some things the Lord says in His Word are untrue. You have been warned View attachment 70643

For someone to simply disagree with OSAS doesn't make me upset. My brother and I are not in agreement with each other on that topic, yet he does not attach salvation by works to NOSAS and I don't attach a license for immorality to OSAS, so we still consider each other brothers in Christ. If folks in the OSAS camp are getting upset with you it's most likely because of your judgmental, slanderous attitude and not because they are afraid that doctrine is not true.

Now I don't ignore God's warnings and I fully understand that there are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" or pseudo-Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers mixed together and contrasted throughout scripture. Hence, the warnings. (1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Galatians 5:19-21; Hebrews 4:2-3; 10:26-39; 1 John 1:6-10; 1 John 2-3-4; 1 John 3:7-10; 1 John 4:7-8 etc..).

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Once Saved Always Saved teachers and promoters:

“…with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad… and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life” (Ezk 13:22, KJV)

 

[soberxp]

Once obey always obey?

 

[mailmandan]

Once Saved Always Saved teachers and promoters:

“…with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad… and strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life” (Ezk 13:22, KJV)

In context, this is addressing the foolish prophets of Israel and has nothing to do with OSAS teachers. You are good at plucking verses out of context then applying your eisegesis to them.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Once Saved Always Saved teachers and promoters:

“…with lies ye have made the heart of the righteous sad…

In context, this is addressing the foolish prophets of Israel and has nothing to do with OSAS teachers

It is an example of the same kind of behaviors and what God says about them. What kind of Bible teacher are you that doesn’t understand using examples out of scripture to address current activities?

The Apostle Paul used scripture the same way when he admonished folks.

You are good at plucking verses out of context then applying your eisegesis

Oh brother…

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Or, perhaps you have ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED derangement syndrome?

Otherwise known as being blinded from the Truth of the whole Counsel of God in favor of cherry pickens

Oh brother…

No brother ignores the whole Counsel of God in favor of cherry pickens

This is what the tares do is cherry pick

 

[Michiah-Imla]

strengthened the hands of the wicked, that he should not return from his wicked way, by promising him life” (Ezk 13:22, KJV)

In context, this is addressing the foolish prophets of Israel and has nothing to do with OSAS teachers.

What, no grammar lessons out of the Hebrew?

Are you grammatically skilled only in the Greek?

 

[mailmandan]

Otherwise known as being blinded from the Truth of the whole Counsel of God in favor of cherry pickens

No brother ignores the whole Counsel of God in favor of cherry pickens

This is what the tares do is cherry pick

To project onto others is a psychological process in which an individual attributes their own unacceptable triats to another person. This defense mechanism serves to protect the individual from their own difficult emotions, misinterpretations, and poor self-awareness.

 

[mailmandan]

What, no grammar lessons out of the Hebrew?

Are you grammatically skilled only in the Greek?

If you can't properly interpret this passage of scripture in context then no grammar lessons out of the Hebrew will help. You are not interested in the truth anyway, but are only interested in justifying yourself.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

You are not interested in the truth anyway

The OSAS folks are working for the devil so he's not interested in hearing what satan claims is "truth"