In Defense of OSAS – Why "Once Saved, Always Saved" Is the Heart of the Gospel

[mailmandan]

@mailmandan didn’t have an answer for what I just posted to him.

Please explain how a fake Christian has no more sacrifice for sins when he never believed the gospel in the first place.

No doubt many folks come to believe in the gospel later in years after rejecting it at first.

Once a true and genuine belief has been expressed to God, then the danger of having no more sacrifice for sins comes into play if that believer returns to sin.

Do you even understand what it means to be a believer? Please explain to me what YOU believe the gospel IS and also what YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel.

The AMP version answers your question nicely. Hebrews 10:26 - For if we go on willfully and deliberately sinning after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice [to atone] for our sins [that is, no further offering to anticipate].

Sorry to spoil your "gotcha" moment.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Do you even understand what it means to be a believer? Please explain to me what YOU believe the gospel IS and also what it means to BELIEVE the gospel.

Since the Holy Bible is very clear on what the Gospel is and what it means to be a believer, I suspect that you have some extra biblical knowledge on this question…

So lay it on me, tell me; what is your understanding and what it means to be a believer.

What is your explanation of what is the gospel.

This should be interesting…

 

[mailmandan]

Since the Holy Bible is very clear on what the Gospel is and what it means to be a believer, I suspect that you have some extra biblical knowledge on this question…

So lay it on me, tell me; what is your understanding and what it means to be a believer.

What is your explanation of what is the gospel.

This should be interesting…

Interesting. I expected you to be more than happy to give me your explanation of what YOU believe the gospel IS and also what YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel. Especially since our salvation depends on getting this right. (Romans 1:16; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

To sum it up the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16)

To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

YOUR TURN.

 

[mailmandan]

so we are saved by doing the work of not hating our brother.

got it..

I guess I can boast of not hating my brother.. so i am a child of God..

Something like that. In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. That is not descriptive of a child of God, but a child of the devil.

*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother. *Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is connected to children of the devil and not children of God. *Hermeneutics.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

“his brother” refers to two brothers in Christ.

Those who are tares... which are those following doctrines of devils.... are not brothers in the Lord.

And trying to help these folks see the Truth of God's Word... the whole counsel of God.... is not hate.

But OSAS is not a modern invention, nor is it a license to sin. It is a profound expression of the depth of God’s grace, the security of Christ’s finished work, and the freedom of the believer in the New Covenant.

Security can ONLY be found In Christ. OSAS falsely teaches one cannot lose their salvation if they turn away from the Lord and live in sin which is why it's a doctrine of devils

Jesus is like Noah's Ark... as long as one is abiding IN the Ark they are saved.

Sinful behavior is throwing one's self overboard and since they are no longer in the safety of the Ark (abiding IN Christ)... they are not longer on their way to Heaven but are once again on their way to hell.... unless they REPENT, confessing their sin to the Lord and forsaking their sin so they can be cleansed of unrighteousness and once again be back in right standing with the Father (see Proverbs 28:13, 1 John 1:9) just like the prodigal son who was dead while away but alive once again when he returned to the Father. (see Luke 15:24-26)

The smart ones know this and abide IN Christ so they aren't cut off as Jesus told us about in John 15 which is what happens to those that do not abide IN Him.

Those that follow false doctrines that ignore the teachings of Jesus... well, not much hope for them and when they get where they are going, they will regret their false doctrine for all eternity!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

the gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16)

Agreed.

To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

To believe is not to trust.

Even the scripture makes a distinction in the words:

“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.” (1Ti 4:10, KJV)

Christs salvation ofcourse is all sufficient, if you continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away and fall into willful sin.

To believe is to:

Assent to a proposition or affirmation, or the acceptance of a fact, opinion, or assertion as real or true, without immediate personal knowledge; reliance upon word or testimony; partial or full assurance without positive knowledge or absolute certainty; persuasion; conviction; confidence; as, belief of a witness; the belief of our senses. Belief admits of all degrees, from the slightest suspicion to the fullest assurance.

 

[MatthewG]

doesnt exist.

Even Jewish people of Jesus day said "WE LOVE GOD" - but Jesus said "They say they love God but their hearts are far from him."

 

[MatthewG]

i like the raw edge of life and things people say... cause I mean if you can be authentic with me I respect you FAR more than your pretending.


I rather hear someone say they hate God, and mean it.
than say they love God and want their neighbor to die.

 

[mailmandan]

Agreed.

To believe is not to trust.

You agreed and then you disagreed. Believe does involve trust.

pisteuó: To believe, to have faith, to trust
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Pronunciation: pis-tyoo'-o
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
KJV: believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with
NASB: believe, believed, believes, believing, entrusted, believers, do
Word Origin: [from G4102 (πίστις - faith)]

1. to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit
2. (by implication) to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ)

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
believe, put in trust with. From pistis; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. Credit; by implication, to entrust especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ) -- believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

Strong's Greek: 4100. πιστεύω (pisteuó) -- To believe, to have faith, to trust

Even the scripture makes a distinction in the words:

“For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.” (1Ti 4:10, KJV)

Those who truly believe, trust.

Christs salvation of course is all sufficient, if you continue in the faith grounded and settled and be not moved away and fall into willful sin.

Continuing in the faith demonstrates that faith was firmly grounded and settled in the hope of the gospel to begin with. Those whose fail to continue demonstrate they believed in vain. (1 Corinthians 15:1-2) Willful sin is to practice sin. (Galatians 5:19-21; 1 John 3:9)

To believe is to:

Assent to a proposition or affirmation, or the acceptance of a fact, opinion, or assertion as real or true, without immediate personal knowledge; reliance upon word or testimony; partial or full assurance without positive knowledge or absolute certainty; persuasion; conviction; confidence; as, belief of a witness; the belief of our senses. Belief admits of all degrees, from the slightest suspicion to the fullest assurance.

Saving belief goes beyond mere mental assent (James 2:19) and also involves trust and reliance in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation. (Acts 16:31)

 

[Dan Clarkston]

@Michiah-Imla is the clear winner!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

the blind leading the blind

 

[JLB]

so we are saved by doing the work of not hating our brother.

got it..

I guess I can boast of not hating my brother.. so i am a child of God..

‘Where did I say we are “saved“ by not hating my brother?


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

This scripture refers to one brother hating another brother.


Obviously if they are referred to as brothers, they are both already saved, thus both have eternal life in them.


They one who hates is said to be as a murderer, and as a result does not have eternal life remaining in him.


For a person to have eternal life remaining in him, he must first have eternal life in him to begin with.


How can eternal life remain in someone it was never in?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

‘Where did I say we are “saved“ by not hating my brother?

when you said we can lose salvation if we hate our brother.

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

This scripture refers to one brother hating another brother.


Obviously if they are referred to as brothers, they are both already saved, thus both have eternal life in them.


They one who hates is said to be as a murderer, and as a result does not have eternal life remaining in him.


For a person to have eternal life remaining in him, he must first have eternal life in him to begin with.


How can eternal life remain in someone it was never in?

Yes.

so this person was never saved. Because Gods children do not hate others..

We may get mad. We may not love perfectly. but we do not hate..

 

[mailmandan]

when you said we can lose salvation if we hate our brother.

Yes.

so this person was never saved. Because Gods children do not hate others..

We may get mad. We may not love perfectly. but we do not hate..

Amen! 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

We may get mad. We may not love perfectly. but we do not hate..

“There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.” (1Jn 4:18, KJV)

“For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.” (2Ti 1:7, KJV)

God gives the believers the spirit of love.

The spirit of love has no defects.

Where did your subpar love come from?

 

[JLB]

when you said we can lose salvation if we hate our brother.

‘please point out the post where I said lose salvation.


Please stop misrepresenting what I day.

 

[JLB]

Yes.

so this person was never saved. Because Gods children do not hate others..

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

This scripture refers to one brother hating another brother.

How can eternal life remain in a person who never had eternal life.



Try again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

‘please point out the post where I said lose salvation.


Please stop misrepresenting what I day.

so you do not believe they lose salvation?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

This scripture refers to one brother hating another brother.

How can eternal life remain in a person who never had eternal life.



Try again.

see what I mean, You always stick your foot in your mouth..

you asked why I accused you of saying they lost salvation.

then immediately after say they lose salvation.

They never had eternal life.

did you not see the verse that said so?

1 John 3: 10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous.
13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.


they are children of the devil, they are of the world. they abide in death

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.
1 John 3:15

This is how we know John Calvin is in hell right now.... this nutjob had believers murdered that did not agree with his doctrines of devils (calvinism)