In the book of Revelation it mentions 'a little season' twice.

[Ronald D Milam]

A) Revelation 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

B) Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Its obvious they are different, but what not many people get is in the chapter 6 Little Season it shows us that all those who die during the 70 week tribulation are told they must wait until their brothers have all been killed in like manner, so when we see in Rev. 7 a flash up to heaven, those who came out of the "Great Trib." can only be speaking about the Church Age Trib., because they ae told you must wait for the 42 months little season of the Anti-Christ, then and only then can you get that revenge. Also, in Rev. 20:4 we get those same Martyrs raised and judged, AFTER the 2nd coming.

It really amazes me that people can not understand those who came out of Great Tribulation in Rev. 7:9-16 are nor nor can not be anything but Church Age Saints, all because of one word Great Tribulation, which thru have all been wrongly taught can only mean one thing, meanwhile, some one please explain to me how Great and Greatest Ever mean the same thing, AT ALL !! Does anyone deny the Church has had Great Tribulation during the whole church age? In John 16:33 Jess told his Disciples they would have tribulation, so its a given the church has tribulation, and many, many, many, into the millions were murdered.

Great is not the Greatest Ever. Thus they can not see because a bad teaching ends when the truth comes out so they all cling that an error to save face.

 

[WPM]

Its obvious they are different, but what not many people get is in the chapter 6 Little Season it shows us that all those who die during the 70 week tribulation are told they must wait until their brothers have all been killed in like manner, so when we see in Rev. 7 a flash up to heaven, those who came out of the "Great Trib." can only be speaking about the Church Age Trib., because they ae told you must wait for the 42 months little season of the Anti-Christ, then and only then can you get that revenge. Also, in Rev. 20:4 we get those same Martyrs raised and judged, AFTER the 2nd coming.

It really amazes me that people can not understand those who came out of Great Tribulation in Rev. 7:9-16 are nor nor can not be anything but Church Age Saints, all because of one word Great Tribulation, which thru have all been wrongly taught can only mean one thing, meanwhile, some one please explain to me how Great and Greatest Ever mean the same thing, AT ALL !! Does anyone deny the Church has had Great Tribulation during the whole church age? In John 16:33 Jess told his Disciples they would have tribulation, so its a given the church has tribulation, and many, many, many, into the millions were murdered.

Great is not the Greatest Ever. Thus they can not see because a bad teaching ends when the truth comes out so they all cling that an error to save face.

"Its obvious" because it cuts across your theology.

 

[grafted branch]

The actual second coming with the resurrection of the saved dead from all human history happens before the Mill starts, and none of that has happened. It's impossible to be in satan's little season. Just as impossible that we are living in the eternal age in Rev 21-22.

It's like asking how people know whether the 1 Millionth World series happened already or not. Obviously it hasn't.

Right, but that’s the whole point I’m trying to make. In the Premil view, statements just like you’re making now will also be made to deceive people during Satan’s little season.

Place yourself in Satan’s little season for a moment, what would your counter argument be to someone who said “The actual second coming with the resurrection of the saved dead from all human history happens before the Mill starts, and none of that has happened. It's impossible to be in satan's little season. Just as impossible that we are living in the eternal age in Rev 21-22”?

Keep in mind that if you argue it’s impossible for someone to be deceived about a millennium that just happened then you are also arguing that Satan can’t deceive people in the same manner as is currently happening with all the different views on the millennium.

Also consider what happened after Jesus arose in Matthew 28.

Matthew 28:11Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done. 12And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, 13Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept. 14And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you. 15So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.

 

[grafted branch]

No one claimed that Satan's little season is a long period of time. Not me or anyone else. The fact that you brought it up when no one claimed it, said it, or implied it, leaves everyone else scratching their heads as to why you would do so. Nothing I said to you or anyone else implies that Satan's little season is a very long time.

I never said anyone claimed it, I’ve said “if it’s possible then”. You yourself allow it to be a possibility by the way you interpret the Bible. Here’s how you implied it’s possible.

In post #21 you said this about the word mikros in Hebrew 10:37…

“it's not a short period of time being spoken about”


Then in post #26 you said…

“When the time comes we will know how long Revelation 20:3's little while will be. The text does not tell us.”


Again, you yourself allow for Satan’s little season to be a very long period of time. If you don’t think that’s a possibility then you need to change something in your interpretation instead of scratching your head.

I don’t think you’re being honest with me and I would prefer to end this conversation with you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The actual second coming with the resurrection of the saved dead from all human history happens before the Mill starts, and none of that has happened. It's impossible to be in satan's little season. Just as impossible that we are living in the eternal age in Rev 21-22.

It's like asking how people know whether the 1 Millionth World series happened already or not. Obviously it hasn't.

Obviously, no Premill would say that we are currently in Satan's little season. That's not even a question. But, some Amills like myself believe that we are. I'm not saying I'm certain about that, but what I see in the world in recent times suggests that may very well be the case. My understanding of Satan's little season is that it's a time of significantly increased persecution, deception, apostasy and wickedness, as described in passages like Matthew 24:9-13 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"Its obvious" because it cuts across your theology.

Right. It's obvious to us as Amills that the little season of Revelation 6:11 and Revelation 20:3 are the same. But, saying things like this is fairly pointless and doesn't prove anything, of course. He does nothing to prove that they are not the same. His opinion obviously can't be trusted at all since he tries to relate Daniel's 70th week, which we know was fulfilled long ago, to the little season of Revelation 6:11.

 

[Zao is life]

I never said anyone claimed it, I’ve said “if it’s possible then”. You yourself allow it to be a possibility by the way you interpret the Bible. Here’s how you implied it’s possible.

In post #21 you said this about the word mikros in Hebrew 10:37…

“it's not a short period of time being spoken about”


Then in post #26 you said…

“When the time comes we will know how long Revelation 20:3's little while will be. The text does not tell us.”


Again, you yourself allow for Satan’s little season to be a very long period of time. If you don’t think that’s a possibility then you need to change something in your interpretation instead of scratching your head.

I don’t think you’re being honest with me and I would prefer to end this conversation with you.

I never said Revelation 20:3's thousand years is talking about a little season. I was talking about the words "loosed for a little season", and I said that Revelation 6:11 is talking about a little season, and Revelation 20:7-9 implies a little season. The context of both passages implies a little season.

The context of Hebrews 10:37 and the words the author used does not imply a little period that was still to come but a little while LONGER of a period that had already begun - and we know that the little while longer until He comes that the author was talking about in Hebrews 10:37 still lay far in the future from when he wrote. Besides this, the context of the passage also does NOT imply that the author knew how long what he called "a little while longer" would be.

Not only do you seem to be completely incapable of understanding the context of the scriptures using words like "a little while (longer) and "a little season" but you have shown how you have attempted to put words in my mouth, claiming I said things that I did not say.

You are the one who is dishonest. So I'm glad you have ended the conversation, which you have quite obviously made up your mind about ending because your dishonesty that you have exposed yourself for has gotten you nowhere and only shows your false theology up to be what it is.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

"Its obvious" because it cuts across your theology.

Its obvious because I understand scriptures ad you don't. Called as a preacher 40 years with hard grunt work vs. a Message Board Warrior know it all who knows very little.

 

[WPM]

Its obvious because I understand scriptures ad you don't. Called as a preacher 40 years with hard grunt work vs. a Message Board Warrior know it all who knows very little.

Yah-de-dah-de-dah.

I don't care whether you have been preaching 140 years, you are wrong. You have nothing to bring to the table. That is why you cannot address any single rebuttal.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Its obvious because I understand scriptures ad you don't. Called as a preacher 40 years with hard grunt work vs. a Message Board Warrior know it all who knows very little.

Wow, 40 years as a preacher? That’s incredible! The Pharisees had centuries of tradition too, knew the Scriptures backwards and forwards, wore the right robes, and still managed to miss the Messiah standing right in front of them. Funny how that works.

But hey, congratulations on doing “grunt work” for four decades—Jesus must’ve accidentally skipped that part in the Beatitudes: “Blessed are the veterans of ministry who belittle others online, for theirs is the kingdom of self-righteousness.”

You say we "know very little"? Maybe. But last I checked, understanding Scripture isn’t measured by seniority or sermon mileage—it’s measured by humility, spiritual discernment, and whether or not you actually follow Christ instead of just quoting Him.

So carry on, Reverend. Keep flexing that résumé. Just remember: the scribes and Pharisees also thought they “obviously understood” everything... and Jesus still told them they were whitewashed tombs.

But what do I know? I'm just a, well... a Message Board Warrior and a years-long Bible Teacher. Selah!

 

[Davidpt]

"Its obvious" because it cuts across your theology.

There are even some Amils in here insisting they are not the same little season. Where is your beef with them? Post #3, Post #8, for example. Why are you not saying to them what you are saying to Premils, meaning this--"Its obvious" because it cuts across your theology"

 

[WPM]

There are even some Amils in here insisting they are not the same little season. Where is your beef with them? Post #3, Post #8, for example. Why are you not saying to them what you are saying to Premils, meaning this--"Its obvious" because it cuts across your theology"

Because there is no objectivity with you or your fellow Premillennialist online. I have 25 years of experience engaging with them. Their modus operandi is avoidance and insults.

 

[Davidpt]

Right. It's obvious to us as Amills that the little season of Revelation 6:11 and Revelation 20:3 are the same.

IOW, you are speaking for all Amils, despite Amils per post #3 and post #8 that it is not obvious to them? BTW, guess what that means you are doing to these Amils? You are misrepresenting their view. That adds up to that you are misrepresenting Amil in this case. LOL, the irony. Oh, that's right, I almost forgot. Only your version of Amil is the correct version of Amil. As if there is a correct version of Amil to begin with.

 

[WPM]

IOW, you are speaking for all Amils, despite Amils per post #3 and post #8 that it is not obvious to them? BTW, guess what that means you are doing to these Amils? You are misrepresenting their view. That adds up to that you are misrepresenting Amil in this case. LOL, the irony. Oh, that's right, I almost forgot. Only your version of Amil is the correct version of Amil. As if there is a correct version of Amil to begin with.

Once again, you have nothing a biblical worth to bring to the table.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

IOW, you are speaking for all Amils, despite Amils per post #3 and post #8 that it is not obvious to them?

Nope. Your reading comprehension skills have failed you again. I was only talking about Amills like me and WPM. I was talking to WPM there and not intending to speak for all Amills. The point is that it's only possible that Amills could see those verses as speaking of the same "little season". No Premills would ever claim that, obviously. But, I'm not saying that all Amills view those verses as speaking of the same little season. I certainly am quite aware that partial preterist Amills have different interpretations than Amills like me, WPM and jeffweeder on some things.

BTW, guess what that means you are doing to these Amils? You are misrepresenting their view.

Guess what you are doing again as you do constantly? Misunderstanding and misrepresenting what I said. You make assumptions and then just run with them instead of seeking clarification first. And then you end up making a fool out of yourself.

That adds up to that you are misrepresenting Amil in this case. LOL, the irony. Oh, that's right, I almost forgot. Only your version of Amil is the correct version of Amil. As if there is a correct version of Amil to begin with.

LOL. It's impossible to take you seriously when you're constantly talking nonsense. I do not speak for all Amils. I certainly do not speak for partial preterist Amils since I'm not a partial preterist. As far as my version of Amil being correct. Well, of course I believe that. Duh. Hello? Just like you believe your version of Premil, which is not the same as what all Premils believe, is the correct one.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There are even some Amils in here insisting they are not the same little season. Where is your beef with them? Post #3, Post #8, for example. Why are you not saying to them what you are saying to Premils, meaning this--"Its obvious" because it cuts across your theology"

Because with Premil it's obviously not even possible that the little season of Revelation 6:11, which obviously occurs before Christ's return, could be the same little season as Revelation 20:3, which, according to Premil, occurs 1,000 years after His return. With Amil, it's at least possible for the two verses to be speaking of the same little season. Why do we always have to spell things out to you? Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7) so that you can start not only understanding scripture, but also start understanding what other people are saying.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Wow, 40 years as a preacher? That’s incredible! The Pharisees had centuries of tradition too, knew the Scriptures backwards and forwards, wore the right robes, and still managed to miss the Messiah standing right in front of them. Funny how that works.

But hey, congratulations on doing “grunt work” for four decades—Jesus must’ve accidentally skipped that part in the Beatitudes: “Blessed are the veterans of ministry who belittle others online, for theirs is the kingdom of self-righteousness.”

You say we "know very little"? Maybe. But last I checked, understanding Scripture isn’t measured by seniority or sermon mileage—it’s measured by humility, spiritual discernment, and whether or not you actually follow Christ instead of just quoting Him.

So carry on, Reverend. Keep flexing that résumé. Just remember: the scribes and Pharisees also thought they “obviously understood” everything... and Jesus still told them they were whitewashed tombs.

But what do I know? I'm just a, well... a Message Board Warrior and a years-long Bible Teacher. Selah!

It's really sad that his 40 years of false preaching is a huge waste of his time. And, it's sad that he has led others astray with his false teaching. At least, as it relates to any teaching he has done on end times. Not sure what he believes about other things. He expects people to be impressed that he has been preaching for 40 years, but it's actually very unimpressive and sad that, even after 40 years of studying end times scripture, he still doesn't understand it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yah-de-dah-de-dah.

I don't care whether you have been preaching 140 years, you are wrong. You have nothing to bring to the table. That is why you cannot address any single rebuttal.

It's clear that if he was somehow able to preach for 140 years he would continue to preach falsehood the entire time. He doesn't even come close to preaching the truth when it comes to end times. He's wrong about everything.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Its obvious because I understand scriptures ad you don't. Called as a preacher 40 years with hard grunt work vs. a Message Board Warrior know it all who knows very little.

I can only hope that you don't preach on end times very often. If so, you need to apologize to all the people you have ever preached to for teaching them false doctrine all these years.