Indisputable proof that the Premillennial theory contradicts Scripture

[covenantee]

But that doesnt warrent saying Gentiles are included in Exodus 19:5-6.........[Exo 19:5-6 KJV] 5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel...............Gentiles could not be the children of Israel

I cited four Scriptures previously showing that Gentiles were part of Israel.

Have you forgotten them already?

 

[Doug]

I cited four Scriptures previously showing that Gentiles were part of Israel.

Have you forgotten them already?

I still see Gentiles as being distinct ....I see that Gentiles enter the kingdom and can offer sacrifices and participate in Feasts....but not be kings and priests....maybe I am missing something

 

[covenantee]

I still see Gentiles as being distinct ....I see that Gentiles enter the kingdom and can offer sacrifices and participate in Feasts....but not be kings and priests....maybe I am missing something

If they were in faithful obedient Covenant relationship with God, why were they not kings and priests?

They are in Revelation 1:6.

 

[Doug]

Israel is not even mentioned in these quoted passages.

Luke 19:17 deals with the kingdom of heaven which is the prophetic kingdom promised Israel as seen In 2 Samual..............[2Sa 7:12-13 KJV] 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Exodus says its to Israel............[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I dont see the relevance in saying ruling over the nations and ruling over individuals makes any difference........of course nations are made up of individuals.....the fact remains Israel will judge Gentiles

You seem to be confused about what the word "fact" means.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The disciples never got out of Israel plus they abdicated their command to Paul by deciding to just go to the Jews Gal 2:9

it is common sense that a nation defines a geographic area comprised of people.....they would be baptizing people

Israel was commanded to be baptized already by John and Peter and others

The disciples in Acts 1:8 were given power by the Holy Ghost to be witnesses

You didn't address my point. The nations that Jesus wanted to make disciples in included Israel. But, you say that the nations that those referenced in Revelation 2:26 rule over are Gentile nations. That is a baseless claim.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I still see Gentiles as being distinct ....I see that Gentiles enter the kingdom and can offer sacrifices and participate in Feasts....but not be kings and priests....maybe I am missing something

How do you interpret this passage:

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Luke 19:17 deals with the kingdom of heaven which is the prophetic kingdom promised Israel as seen In 2 Samual..............[2Sa 7:12-13 KJV] 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Exodus says its to Israel............[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Do you deny that Gentile believers are fellow citizens with Israelite believers (Ephesians 2:11-22) and fellow heirs of God's promises with Israelite believers? (Ephesians 3:1-6)?

 

[WPM]

Luke 19:17 deals with the kingdom of heaven which is the prophetic kingdom promised Israel as seen In 2 Samual..............[2Sa 7:12-13 KJV] 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Exodus says its to Israel............[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

You do not get it do you?

This is Zionist false teaching. It is erroneous. No evidence. Just forcing your opinion on the sacred text, as you do on every subject.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You do not get it do you?

This is Zionist false teaching. It is erroneous. No evidence. Just forcing your opinion on the sacred text, as you do on every subject.

He needs to read the New Testament. I can tell he has never read it closely if he has ever read it at all. He comes across like he is a religious Jew and part of Judaism and is trying to learn about Christianity.

 

[WPM]

He needs to read the New Testament. I can tell he has never read it closely if he has ever read it at all. He comes across like he is a religious Jew and part of Judaism and is trying to learn about Christianity.

This is the Judaizers that Scripture warns us off - subverting the Christian message.

 

[Doug]

If they were in faithful obedient Covenant relationship with God, why were they not kings and priests?

They are in Revelation 1:6.

[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Gentiles as proselytes cant be children of Israel
Gentiles cant be a holy nation.........they are from nations outside of Israel

 

[Doug]

You didn't address my point. The nations that Jesus wanted to make disciples in included Israel. But, you say that the nations that those referenced in Revelation 2:26 rule over are Gentile nations. That is a baseless claim.

You didn't address my point. The nations that Jesus wanted to make disciples in included Israel. But, you say that the nations that those referenced in Revelation 2:26 rule over are Gentile nations. That is a baseless claim.

The disciples were to begin at Jerusalem Luke 24:47

[Rev 2:26 KJV] 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Israel had to keep his works til the end of the tribulation............... [Mat 24:13 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

They will have power over the nations in the millennial kingdom

 

[Doug]

How do you interpret this passage:

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Israel of God is by faith

 

[Doug]

Do you deny that Gentile believers are fellow citizens with Israelite believers (Ephesians 2:11-22) and fellow heirs of God's promises with Israelite believers? (Ephesians 3:1-6)?

Ephes 3 says gentiles are fellowheirs of Christ and of the same body which is the body of Christ

Ephes 2 is saying Christ made both Jew and Gentile one we were far off from God but made near

 

[Doug]

You do not get it do you?

This is Zionist false teaching. It is erroneous. No evidence. Just forcing your opinion on the sacred text, as you do on every subject.

How about some scripture to refute my opinions

 

[WPM]

Israel had to keep his works til the end of the tribulation............... [Mat 24:13 KJV] 13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

They will have power over the nations in the millennial kingdom

True Israel - the redeemed elect?

You keep making statements without supporting them with hard Scripture. That is not how it works.

Can you show Scripture that teaches Abraham's bosom is paradise? I have been waiting patiently for your evidence.

 

[Doug]

Can you show Scripture that teaches Abraham's bosom is paradise? I have been waiting patiently for your evidence.

If Christ didnt ascend into heaven yet then where did his spirit go until his resurrection?
I dont have scripture that directly says paradise is Abraham's bosom .........scripture has to be compared to scripture to form opinion....you are free to disagree with mine, but I will state my opinions....scripture doesnt come right out and state everything

 

[covenantee]

[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Gentiles as proselytes cant be children of Israel
Gentiles cant be a holy nation.........they are from nations outside of Israel

I cited four Scriptures showing that they qualified in every respect as Israelites.

You still don't believe those Scriptures.

 

[Doug]

He needs to read the New Testament. I can tell he has never read it closely if he has ever read it at all. He comes across like he is a religious Jew and part of Judaism and is trying to learn about Christianity.

I talk alot about Israel because there are those who think they are Israel......Israel has to be separated from the church today the body of Christ