Baptism Before learning?
The grace of baptism?
Taught the faith?
All very strange things....not Scriptural.
what is required for it to be scripture
“THIS PROMISE IS TO YOU’RE CHILDREN”
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Baptism Before learning?
The grace of baptism?
Taught the faith?
All very strange things....not Scriptural.
The point I made was replacement theology is hate it is founded in hate and the fact it is based in antisemitism. Based on the lies of the early church fathers. Try reading Romans 11 about being grafted in. Eph 2 once being aliens and strangers from the commonwealth of Israel. Both books written by Paul a "Hebrew" from the tribe of Benjamin and also referred to himself a Pharisee of Pharisees.I never said anything about hate
the things I said I have you scripture for try and read it!
We are Christian not jews
We don’t participate in any of the Jews practices
Christ replaced david as king Lk 1:32-33
The church replaced Israel matt 21:43
The new covenant replaced the mosaic covenant
The point I made was replacement theology is hate it is founded in hate and the fact it is based in antisemitism. Based on the lies of the early church fathers. Try reading Romans 11 about being grafted in. Eph 2 once being aliens and strangers from the commonwealth of Israel. Both books written by Paul a "Hebrew" from the tribe of Benjamin and also referred to himself a Pharisee of Pharisees.
Shalom friend
Luke 1:32-33 says nothing about church replacing Israel. It actually is establishing and endorsing Israel. V 32 says give Him the throne of David, well this is fulfilling prophecy that a king from the house of David/who represents the tribe of Judah will always be on the throne who is our King Messiah Jesus. Who is of the line of David through Mary and Joseph. This is why they were in Bethlehem at the time of His birth because of the census called they were all required to go to their homeland/tribe to be counted Bethlehem is in the land allotted to Judah as is Jerusalem way back when they first entered and conquered Canaan and the land was split up into the 12 tribes. V 33 He will rule over the House of Jacob. Well this is just another way of saying Israel/the house of Israel. Confirming the prophecies in Ezekiel 37 where the two houses of Israel that were one then divided will be bought into one again establishing Israel again and Jesus our Messiah will rule and reign as King. Praise God
Matt 21:43 The context is a parable. A parable is a story told to make a point. Yes many rejected Him as Messiah. The kingdom can be taken from those that reject Him. This is what Paul talks about in Rom 11 about being grafted in even the natural branches that were broken off can be grafted back in to the olive tree. Olive tree represents Israel. Paul also warns Gentiles who have been grafted in not to be prideful and remember that we don't support the root the root supports us. Yes even the people involved in Judaism need to receive the redemption of Messiah these who do are the natural branches who were broken of and grafted back in through our Messiah. Trust me there are many many many Jews/Judaism accepting and receiving Jesus as the Messiah. But Matt 21:43 again is not saying the church has replaced Israel.
There are no contradictions in the word of God. Reject the false man-made doctrine of man about replacement theology, it is ugly deceptive and plain evil.
Shalom Friend
In luke Christ replaced david as king
in matt the kingdom is taken from the nation of Israel read it, it even says they knew he was speaking of them
and given to one who will bear fruit that can only be the new covenant church Jn 15:1 abide and you (the church) will bear fruit
The church has the same authority as Israel had
Successors of Moses!
Matt 23 why does Jesus say to obey the successors of Moses?
The successors of Moses sit in the chair of Moses having the authority of the keys and the power to bind and loose Matt 23 and Jesus commanded them to be obeyed! Then the kingdom was taken from them matt 21:43 and given to Peter, Matt 16:18 the apostles, Matt 18:18 and their successors with the authority of the keys and the power to bind and lose!
Jesus said to obey the authority of the successors of Moses mt 23 authority of the keys and power to bind and loose and this power and authority was taken from them matt and given by Christ to Peter, the apostles and their successors, mt 16:18 18:18 this same authority and power must be obeyed!
mt 28:18-20 all authority is given to Peter, the apostles, and their successors requiring obedience, rom 1:5 obedience to the faith!
And Jesus say to Peter, the apostles, and their successors: behold I am with you even until the end of the world!!!
So the apostles have to remain until the end! Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and Priests: and we shall reign on the earth. Reign with kingdom authority (keys) power (bind loose) matt 16:18
The successors of Peter and the apostles have a valid jurisdictional authority (keys) and power (bind and loose) by Jesus Christ!
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
apostolic succession!
explicit and implicit in scripture
Judas was an apostle
Acts 1:17 For he was numbered with us, and had obtained part of this ministry.
acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.
Matthias succeeded him as apostle
acts 1: 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
now if it applies to judas how much more to Peter and the other apostles
Matt 28:19-20
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
Jesus is with His church and His apostles until the end! So the apostles must remain until the end governing the church administering the kingdom
Mt 16:18 Peter received the keys of the kingdom: (jurisdictional authority of the universal church) and the power to bind and loose:
Lk 22:32
Jesus prays for Peter:
Jn 21:17
Peter commanded to Feed my sheep:
Isa 22:21-22 prime minister called father!
Holding the keys of the kingdom under the king Lk 1:32-33 in the line of david!
Matt 16:18
You have no understanding on how covenants in the Bible work. There are many covenants God made throughout the scriptures. One never replaced the other ever. Noah, Moses, Israel, David they all build on top of each other. We still experience the covenant of Noah today. If you look up in the sky you may see a rainbow every now and then. Did the Mosaic Covenant replace the Noah covenant of course not. The new covenant is more accurately rendered the renewed covenant if you bother to study the words in the original languages and not rely just on the sloppy English translation.
Jesus was an Israelite, A Jew, so you are railing against Him if you are railing against the Jews.
Jesus is the word of God. From Gen - Rev which means all those covenants are Him. So you are saying that He abolished Himself, that He replaced Himself with manmade foolish doctrines of the early church fathers. LOL. He is the commandments, He spoke the commandments, He gave the commandments. John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. No NT when this was spoken
In Matt 4:4 Jesus directly quoting Deut 8:3 Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of Yahweh. Again the NT was not written when He proclaimed this. So what was the word of God at that time? The Hebrew scriptures.
The NT directly quotes the OT/Hebrew scriptures so much that if you removed all the direct quotations gee there wouldn't be much left. The NT is established and founded in the OT.
Paul establishes the Mosaic Law Rom 3:31.
This says it all in regards to your replacement theology about Israel reconcile this in your doctrine!!!
NKJ Romans 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
The context is the nation and people of Israel.
NKJ 2 Corinthians 11:22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I.
Gee I guess Paul must have felt on the outer. You know the guy who wrote most of the NT, The Hebrew, The Israelite, The Benjamite. The one from the nation of Israel who God chose, the one that says that God has not casts His people away or replaced with the ridiculous notion of the church.
Which church has replaced Israel? The Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Anglicans, Uniting Church, Seventh Day Adventists, which one answer that. There were no denominational churches in the days of Jesus, they were known as "Of the Way" and viewed as another sect of Judaism. Why because they were Jews/Hebrews for many years before gentiles even started coming in.
STUDY YOUR BIBLE AND NOT JUST READ IT!!!
Shalom Friend
You have no understanding on how covenants in the Bible work. There are many covenants God made throughout the scriptures. One never replaced the other ever. Noah, Moses, Israel, David they all build on top of each other. We still experience the covenant of Noah today. If you look up in the sky you may see a rainbow every now and then. Did the Mosaic Covenant replace the Noah covenant of course not. The new covenant is more accurately rendered the renewed covenant if you bother to study the words in the original languages and not rely just on the sloppy English translation.
Jesus was an Israelite, A Jew, so you are railing against Him if you are railing against the Jews.
Jesus is the word of God. From Gen - Rev which means all those covenants are Him. So you are saying that He abolished Himself, that He replaced Himself with manmade foolish doctrines of the early church fathers. LOL. He is the commandments, He spoke the commandments, He gave the commandments. John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, the word was with God and the word was God. No NT when this was spoken
In Matt 4:4 Jesus directly quoting Deut 8:3 Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of Yahweh. Again the NT was not written when He proclaimed this. So what was the word of God at that time? The Hebrew scriptures.
The NT directly quotes the OT/Hebrew scriptures so much that if you removed all the direct quotations gee there wouldn't be much left. The NT is established and founded in the OT.
Paul establishes the Mosaic Law Rom 3:31.
This says it all in regards to your replacement theology about Israel reconcile this in your doctrine!!!
NKJ Romans 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
The context is the nation and people of Israel.
NKJ 2 Corinthians 11:22 Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the seed of Abraham? So am I.
Gee I guess Paul must have felt on the outer. You know the guy who wrote most of the NT, The Hebrew, The Israelite, The Benjamite. The one from the nation of Israel who God chose, the one that says that God has not casts His people away or replaced with the ridiculous notion of the church.
Which church has replaced Israel? The Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Pentecostals, Anglicans, Uniting Church, Seventh Day Adventists, which one answer that. There were no denominational churches in the days of Jesus, they were known as "Of the Way" and viewed as another sect of Judaism. Why because they were Jews/Hebrews for many years before gentiles even started coming in.
STUDY YOUR BIBLE AND NOT JUST READ IT!!!
Shalom Friend
the universal church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles
who is the mediator of the mosaic covenant?
You seem so certain that Jesus was proclaiming that Peter was that Rock. How do you know and I will try and paint a picture here that the "church" that Jesus was talking about was not founded on Himself. Picture this Jesus talking to Peter. Saying Peter on this Rock I will build my church. Putting His hand on His on chest saying I am the Rock, which the Bible repeatedly over and over proclaims the God/Yahweh/Yeshua/Jesus is the Rock.
For example whoever builds his house on the Rock. That is just one example.
A different perspective can change the world.
Shalom Friend
Who spoke the Mosaic Covenant, who was that same word that was spoken that never changes, is the same yesterday, today and forever. Like I said covenants build on top of each other they don't replace each other. Like I said the Noahic Covenant is evident today. Heaven and earth will pass away before one jot or tittle passes from the law. When I woke up this morning Praise God the heavens and the earth still existed. The NT wasn't written when this was proclaimed. It was The Torah, The Hebrew Scriptures referred to here as that are what jots and tittles can be found in.
Shalom Friend
no it was Moses then Josua now there is only one mediator but of the new and eternal covenant
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediatorbetween God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
replaced by the new covenant
Oh dear, I am tapping out of this discussion. I know when to leave it.
Shalom Friend
I would understand your reason for not continuing a conversation with a person who is intransient in their understand of what is expressed within the scriptures. There is a time where it is best to withdraw from the conversation. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force the horse to drink, is very true.
Shalom
I would understand your reason for not continuing a conversation with a person who is intransient in their understand of what is expressed within the scriptures. There is a time where it is best to withdraw from the conversation. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot force the horse to drink, is very true.
Shalom