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[TribulationSigns]

Your response shows that (a) you have no idea of what my views are about what you call "modern-day political Israel" and whether or not anyone who is not in Christ but calls himself by the name of Jacob (Israel) is indeed part of Israel, but (b) you also show your lack of spiritual discernment up by proving yet again that you do not understand what God expects of His people (notice I said His people) . So I'll say it once more, for the sake of those who do indeed have ears to hear:

In a day when extreme forms of evil and cruelty are committed openly and brazenly, and those who do so boast about it in their arrogance and cynicism, then know that:

The judgment of the Almighty God
is upon those who call evil "good" and good "evil";
who put darkness for light and light for darkness;
who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

Their throat is an open sepulchre;
with their tongues they have used deceit;
the poison of asps is under their lips.
Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.
Their feet are swift to shed blood.
Destruction and misery are in their ways,
and the way of peace have they not known.

(They prove that) there is no (real and true) fear of God before their eyes.
(Isaiah 5:20 and Romans 3:13-18).​

Do not join them or support them so that God does not hold you guilty or complicit in their evil.

It is not insensitivity—it is correction. And yes, I say plainly: it is a misapplication of Scripture on your part. The Nation Israel you and others are trying to insert into end-time prophecy is NOT the Israel God is speaking about. You are confusing the natural with the spiritual.

When I said that people have the wrong Israel, I meant exactly what Paul taught: “They are not all Israel who are of Israel” (Romans 9:6). The New Testament makes it abundantly clear that the true Israel is not defined by ethnicity or borders, but by faith in Christ—the remnant according to the election of grace (Romans 11:5), and the one new man in Christ (Ephesians 2:14-16).

You can throw Isaiah 5:20 or Romans 3:13–18 at me all day long, but they don’t apply here. Correcting your flawed theology isn’t evil, and exposing error isn’t oppression—it’s faithfulness. As Paul said, “Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?” (Galatians 4:16).

Truth is not subject to national loyalty or emotional reaction. The Church—the body of Christ—is the Israel of God (Galatians 6:16), and that is where prophecy finds its true fulfillment where Satan and his armies of false prophets and christs are coming after with their lying signs and wonders that deceive those (within the congregation) who have not yet sealed by God. Not coming after national Israel with tanks and missiles. Selah!

 

[Zao is life]

The Nation Israel you and others are trying to insert into end-time prophecy is NOT the Israel God is speaking about. You are confusing the natural with the spiritual.

Not that in this case it's spiritual discernment, but your lack of discernment is showing again. Almost everyone who posts in these boards except you knows that I do not speak "with" others who try and insert the Gog-Magog rebellion into what is happening with what you aptly called "modern-day political Israel",

and everyone else seems to know that I do not buy the false accusation of "Replacement Theology" leveled by those who seek to replace the Israel of God with another Israel which is not part of the only Israel of God, because it is broken off in its unbelief.

My point has nothing to do with who is 'Israel' in God's eyes. FYI IMO "Israel" has everything to do with where God's Temple is to be found, because God's Temple is IN Israel, and the citizens of the Israel of God - Jews and Gentiles in Christ - are the living stones making up the Temple of God. I.O.W, the church is indeed Israel.

My point is that you say that anyone who disagrees with you is carnal and lacks wisdom and spiritual discernment though you yourself do not know where, when and how the Gog-Magog prophecy fits. Is this because you yourself lack the spiritual discernment to know?

So when you debate these biblical issues it helps you - aside from everyone else - if you could drop both the belief - and the pride which is at the bottom of it - that is the foundation of your continuous accusations that whoever disagrees with you is "carnal", "lacks wisdom and spiritual discernment" etc etc.

 

[TribulationSigns]

My point has nothing to do with who is 'Israel' in God's eyes. FYI IMO "Israel" has everything to do with where God's Temple is to be found, because God's Temple is IN Israel, and the citizens of the Israel of God - Jews and Gentiles in Christ - are the living stones making up the Temple of God. I.O.W, the church is indeed Israel.

Listen…do you believe that God’s temple is NOT in Israel...in the Middle East today, or ever will be? Yes or No?

 

[Zao is life]

Listen…do you believe that God’s temple is NOT in Israel...in the Middle East today, or ever will be? Yes or No?

You clearly have serious reading comprehension issues.

I said "The citizens of the Israel of God - Jews and Gentiles in Christ - are the living stones making up the Temple of God. I.O.W, the church is indeed Israel", and I said, "God's Temple is IN Israel". No one else would ask me where I think God's Temple is, nor where I think the Israel of God is.

 

[TribulationSigns]

You clearly have serious reading comprehension issues.

I said "The citizens of the Israel of God - Jews and Gentiles in Christ - are the living stones making up the Temple of God. I.O.W, the church is indeed Israel", and I said, "God's Temple is IN Israel". No one else would ask me where I think God's Temple is, nor where I think the Israel of God is.

No, I just wanted to force you to clarify what you were saying. My posts were directed at premillennialists at large, so to remind them not to try to link prophecies to modern national Israel.

Thank you. :-)

 

[Zao is life]

No, I just wanted to force you to clarify what you were saying. My posts were directed at premillennialists at large, so to remind them not to try to link prophecies to modern national Israel.

Thank you. :-)

I'm a Premillennialist. You're conflating things again.

All Dispensationalists are Premillennialists but not all Premillennialists are Dispensationalists.

All Preterists are Amillennialists but not all Amillennialists are Preterists.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I'm a Premillennialist.

I thought so. :) I rest my case.

 

[ewq1938]

All Preterists are Amillennialists but not all Amillennialists are Preterists.

I think it's the other way around.

 

[TribulationSigns]

I'm a Premillennialist.

Okay... you are premillennialist? Let's see, who do you believe the "he" is in Daniel 9:27? And with whom did he confirm a covenant with? Which Israel, humm?

 

[Zao is life]

Okay... you are premillennialist? Let's see, who do you believe the "he" is in Daniel 9:27? And with whom did he confirm a covenant with? Which Israel, humm?

There is only one "he" whose coming was being prophesied about in Daniel 9:24-25, and Daniel 9:26 begins by telling us that after the 62 weeks + the first seven weeks He would be cut off, but not for himself. He is the subject of the prophecy, so He confirmed the covenant with MANY (not all). "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for MANY for the remission of sins." -- Matthew 26:28.

The "many" in Daniel 9:27 are those who believed in Him. He caused sacrifice and oblation to cease by rendering them obsolete when He sacrificed His own life once for all for the remission of sins.

"And the people of the prince that shall come (the Roman prince that came) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26b).

"And for the overspreading (the extent or the extremity) of abominations (plural) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

I believe that Christ is the one who made the temple desolate by handing it over to the Romans to make it desolate: "Behold, your house is left unto you desolate." (Matthew 24:38).

By the way, your cross-questioning me or anyone else does not fill up the measure where your own understanding of all these things is lacking.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I'm a Premillennialist. You're conflating things again.

All Dispensationalists are Premillennialists but not all Premillennialists are Dispensationalists.

All Preterists are Amillennialists but not all Amillennialists are Preterists.

That isn't quite right. All partial preterists are amillennialists, but all full preterists are not amillennialists.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I think it's the other way around.

No, not all amillennialists are preterists. Not even close.

 

[TribulationSigns]

By the way, your cross-questioning me or anyone else does not fill up the measure where your own understanding of all these things is lacking.

WE are not talking about me. We are talking about YOU. The spotlight is on you to see how you understand Daniel 9.

There is only one "he" whose coming was being prophesied about in Daniel 9:24-25, and Daniel 9:26 begins by telling us that after the 62 weeks + the first seven weeks He would be cut off, but not for himself. He is the subject of the prophecy, so He confirmed the covenant with MANY (not all). "For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for MANY for the remission of sins." -- Matthew 26:28.

Yes, this is Jesus Christ.

The "many" in Daniel 9:27 are those who believed in Him.

Correct. They are "Israel" in Christ, agree? That is whom He made a covenant with.

He caused sacrifice and oblation to cease by rendering them obsolete when He sacrificed His own life once for all for the remission of sins.

False. God is not talking about animal sacrifice here, which is a typical preterism error.

Hebrews 10:6-8

• "In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
• Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
• Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;"

Sacrifice and offering didn't cease at the cross, just as the law didn't cease at the cross. It was confirmed (satisfied) by the true sacrifice and offering. For example, Christ was the fulfillment of what was merely foreshadowing Him. As long as there is salvation on earth, sacrifice and offering continues. Selah!

We have biblical precedence that both the word "sacrifice" and "offering" are used in the scriptures signifying salvation, and also that it is used in the sense that there can be no more sacrifice and offering. A couple of examples would be as these words are used in Hebrews.

Hebrews 10:14

• "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."

This offering is Christ, indicating that by this "perfect" and acceptable offering, men are saved. Likewise, sacrifice is used in the sense that there can be no salvation in Christ. For example:

Hebrews 10:26-27

• "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
• But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

Here, sacrifice is used to illustrate the end of opportunity for salvation. Christ is our sacrifice and offering, and when all the tribes of Israel are sealed (Revelation 7), there will be no more sacrifice and offering! At that time, there will be no more Salvation because Christ's work is completed and "all" Israel will have been saved or secured.

In Hebrews 14:26-27 God uses the term "there remaineth no more sacrifice" as a synonym illustrating "Salvation will not be possible." Likewise, He uses the word "offering" illustrating the salvation of Christ. Therefore, taken along with all the scriptures that say that there is coming a time when the salvation of the Church is complete, I think we are justified in saying that a case can be made that the prophesy of "sacrifice and offering ceasing" illustrates a time when salvation ceases, not the time when people stop sacrificing physical animals. Context also supports this. Also we read in Matthew 24:

Matthew 24:21-22

• "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
• And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."

There would be no flesh saved because if this evil time continued on without anyone being saved (because Sacrifice and offering had ceased), there would be no more Christians left when Christ came.

Revelation 7:4

• "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

After all Covenant Israel is sealed, sacrifice has ceased because no one else is being sealed by the spirit and being added to Israel. That is in the future, not at the Cross. Selah!

"And the people of the prince that shall come (the Roman prince that came) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (Daniel 9:26b).

Sigh... The prince in context is no one but Messiah the Prince! And his people are Jews. Not Roman soldiers. Didn't Christ tell the Jews that they are the ones who destroyed the temple, John 2:19? God NEVER talks about Romans or third party, becasue Daniel 9:24-27 is all about God and His people. Nothing more! Selah!

And as for the rest of your post, where you believe abomination of desolation has to do with the Jewish temple being destroyed. Nonsense!

 

[Zao is life]

That isn't quite right. All partial preterists are amillennialists, but all full preterists are not amillennialists.

Whatever. All Amillennialists are scripture re-writers, because taking Revelation 20:4-6 out of the passage would make no difference to what is being said about the binding of Satan in order that he cannot deceive the nations until the thousand years are over, but without Revelation 20:4 no one would know when that thousand years will commence.

Unfortunately for scripture deniers, Revelation 20:4 indicates that the thousand years will not commence before the beast Revelation 13 and 17 and 19 talks about, has ascended from out of the abyss, and this is besides all the other scriptures which indicate Satan has not yet been bound.

 

[Zao is life]

WE are not talking about me. We are talking about YOU. The spotlight is on you to see how you understand Daniel 9.

We are not talking about me. We are talking about YOU. The spotlight is on you to see whether or not you indeed have the lack of carnal thinking and the wisdom and spiritual discernment you claim others do not have whenever they disagree with you, which clearly isn't the case, because sacrifice and offering were made obsolete by Christ's death and resurrection, and the continued sacrifices and offering were the abominations (plural) that Daniel 9:27 was talking about.

Sigh:

Isaiah 1:11-14
"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith YHWH: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."

Hebrews 10:5-10
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

But after He took away the the first covenant that He may establish the New Covenant, they continued to offer daily sacrifices for sins - which were all abominations to God, as Daniel prophesied they would in Daniel 9:27. Selah!

Sigh. Your carnal mind and lack of spiritual discernment is showing again.

 

[TribulationSigns]

We are not talking about me. We are talking about YOU. The spotlight is on you to see whether or not you indeed have the lack of carnal thinking and the wisdom and spiritual discernment you claim others do not have whenever they disagree with you

LOL!

, which clearly isn't the case, because sacrifice and offering were made obsolete by Christ's death and resurrection, and the continued sacrifices and offering were the abominations (plural) that Daniel 9:27 was talking about.

Wrong sacrifices and offerings. It comes AFTER Christ confirmed a covenant that Christ made a sacrifices on our behalf for thte past 2,000 years. This has nothing to do withi Jewish sacrifices. Read my post again with Scripture provided and educate yourself, Lord willing!

Isaiah 1:11-14
"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith YHWH: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats. When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts? Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting. Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."

What is the matter with you? What does Isaiah 1:11-14 have to do with Daniel 9:26-27. Didn't you bother to read the context to find out that God has rebuked Judah (not northern Israel) during the days of Isaiah about 740BC. It is because although they were still performing religious rituals in the temple, they were morally corrupt, socially unjust, and spiritually unfaithful? Read Isaiah 1:18-20 carefully. God called them out for fake religion and warning them of judgment unless they repent. Well you should know what happened to Judah since she has not repented, during the days of Jeremiah. Nothing to do with Daniel 9. Selah!

Hebrews 10:5-10
Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

But after He took away the the first covenant that He may establish the New Covenant, they continued to offer daily sacrifices for sins - which were all abominations to God, as Daniel prophesied they would in Daniel 9:27. Selah!

You lack "Selah" here.
Daniel 9:27 does not refer to the Old Testament congregation. It is directed at the New Testament church—the body of believers with whom Christ established the new covenant with, based on His one perfect, once-for-all sacrifice. This covenant—and the required sacrifices and obligations—are not tied to the Mosaic system of animal offerings. It is through Christ as our high priest on our behalf in big bold:

Hebrews 4:14–15​

• Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin."​

Hebrews 5:5–6

• "So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
  As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."​

Hebrews 6:20

• ...Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek."

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Hebrews 7:24–25​

• "But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
  Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."​

Hebrews 8:1​

• "Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens."​

The points are:

• Christ is our High Priest, not after the Levitical order, but after the order of Melchizedek — a better and eternal priesthood (Hebrews 7).
• He entered the true heavenly tabernacle, not made with hands, to offer Himself as the perfect sacrifice.
• He continually intercedes for believers through sacrifice and obligation in Christ which eventually ends after all Elect are secured. Nothing to do with Jewish sacrifice system!

Therefore, Christ’s work in Daniel 9:27 points to the building of His New Testament church, and the “ceasing of sacrifices” refers to the end of salvation after all Elect are secured (Rev 7:1-4) and where the abomination of desolation will eventually be set up. It did not happen at the Cross as you think. Duh!

Sigh. Your carnal mind and lack of spiritual discernment is showing again.

My carnal mind? LOL You talk like a foolish virgin.

 

[David in NJ]

No, I just wanted to force you to clarify what you were saying. My posts were directed at premillennialists at large, so to remind them not to try to link prophecies to modern national Israel.

Thank you. :-)

so to remind them not to try to link prophecies to modern national Israel.

why?

 

[Zao is life]

What is the matter with you? What does Isaiah 1:11-14 have to do with Daniel 9:26-27.

What is the matter with you? Don't you believe what the authors of scripture tell you directly?

The author of the letter to the Hebrews quoted the prophecy from Isaiah 1:11-14, and related it to the sacrifice of Jesus:

Hebrews 10:8-10
"Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

The prophecy that Hebrews quoted says:

Isaiah 1:11-14
"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me? says the LORD; I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of he-goats. When you come to appear before Me, who has required this at your hand, to trample My courts?

Bring no more vain sacrifice; incense is an abomination to Me; the new moon and sabbath, the going to meeting; I cannot endure evil and the assembly! Your new moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; they are a trouble to Me; I am weary to bear them."

"..and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it (the city and the temple) desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." (Daniel 9:27).

It was in the midst of the 70th week that He caused sacrifices and offering to cease - not the 70th week + another 40 years. Who caused sacrifices and offering to cease in the middle of the 70th week? Titus, 40 years later?

It was the Messiah causing the animal sacrifices for sins and the oblations to cease in the midst of the 70th week, by rendering them obsolete through His own sacrifice of Himself.

In their unbelief the Jews continued for forty years after God's once-for-all sacrifice of His Son to offer daily sacrifices for sins, and those sacrifices were abominations to God, because as the author of the letter to the Hebrews tells us:

"But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Therefore when He comes into the world, He says, "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but You have prepared a body for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have had no pleasure. Then I said, Lo, I come ( in the volume of the Book it is written of Me) to do Your will, O God." Hebrews 10:3-7.

The author to the Hebrews wrote,

"Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, 'Oh, that today you would listen as he speaks! Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness. There your fathers tested me and tried me, and they saw my works for forty years. Therefore, I became provoked at that generation and said, Their hearts are always wandering and they have not known my ways. As I swore in my anger, They will never enter my rest!'"; and

"For which ones heard and rebelled? Was it not all who came out of Egypt under Moses' leadership? And against whom was God provoked for forty years? Was it not those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did he swear they would never enter into his rest, except those who were disobedient? So we see that they could not enter because of unbelief." (Hebrews 3:7-11& 16-19).

DESOLATING ABOMINATIONS

Just hours before He was crucified, Jesus repeated Daniel's prophecy, saying, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." (Matthew 23:37-39).

Unlike the abomination of desolation (singular) that was placed in the holy place by Antiochus IV Epiphanes over 200 years prior to the crucifixion of Jesus (Daniel 8:11; 11:31 & 12:11), abominations (plural) are mentioned in Daniel 9:27 - because in rejection of Christ's once-for-all sacrifice for sins, daily animal sacrifices for sin continued to be made by the people upon the altar in the Jerusalem temple - and this continued for forty years: Like lost sheep, the people were wandering in unbelief.

But as your post above once again shows, you do not believe scripture - you only believe what your own carnal mind tells you, though you claim you have "spiritual discernment". So it's hopeless talking to you about this anymore. You will just become rude asking another guy what is the matter with him when there is evidently something the matter with you.

We're done now.

 

[TribulationSigns]

why?

Why not? Do you honestly think God prophesied about the Nation Israel, the one that He took the Kingdom Representative from them forever?

 

[TribulationSigns]

What is the matter with you? Don't you believe what the authors of scripture tell you directly?

The author of the letter to the Hebrews quoted the prophecy from Isaiah 1:11-14, and related it to the sacrifice of Jesus:

Hebrews 10:8-10
"Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;

Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."

The prophecy that Hebrews quoted says:

Isaiah 1:11-14
"To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices to Me? says the LORD; I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs, or of he-goats. When you come to appear before Me, who has required this at your hand, to trample My courts?

Bring no more vain sacrifice; incense is an abomination to Me; the new moon and sabbath, the going to meeting; I cannot endure evil and the assembly! Your new moons and your appointed feasts My soul hates; they are a trouble to Me; I am weary to bear them."

"..and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it (the city and the temple) desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." (Daniel 9:27).

It was in the midst of the 70th week that He caused sacrifices and offering to cease - not the 70th week + another 40 years. Who caused sacrifices and offering to cease in the middle of the 70th week? Titus, 40 years later?

It was the Messiah causing the animal sacrifices for sins and the oblations to cease in the midst of the 70th week, by rendering them obsolete through His own sacrifice of Himself.

In their unbelief the Jews continued for forty years after God's once-for-all sacrifice of His Son to offer daily sacrifices for sins, and those sacrifices were abominations to God, because as the author of the letter to the Hebrews tells us:

"But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Therefore when He comes into the world, He says, "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, but You have prepared a body for Me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You have had no pleasure. Then I said, Lo, I come ( in the volume of the Book it is written of Me) to do Your will, O God." Hebrews 10:3-7.

The author to the Hebrews wrote,

"Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says, 'Oh, that today you would listen as he speaks! Do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion, in the day of testing in the wilderness. There your fathers tested me and tried me, and they saw my works for forty years. Therefore, I became provoked at that generation and said, Their hearts are always wandering and they have not known my ways. As I swore in my anger, They will never enter my rest!'"; and

"For which ones heard and rebelled? Was it not all who came out of Egypt under Moses' leadership? And against whom was God provoked for forty years? Was it not those who sinned, whose dead bodies fell in the wilderness? And to whom did he swear they would never enter into his rest, except those who were disobedient? So we see that they could not enter because of unbelief." (Hebrews 3:7-11& 16-19).

DESOLATING ABOMINATIONS

Just hours before He was crucified, Jesus repeated Daniel's prophecy, saying, "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." (Matthew 23:37-39).

Unlike the abomination of desolation (singular) that was placed in the holy place by Antiochus IV Epiphanes over 200 years prior to the crucifixion of Jesus (Daniel 8:11; 11:31 & 12:11), abominations (plural) are mentioned in Daniel 9:27 - because in rejection of Christ's once-for-all sacrifice for sins, daily animal sacrifices for sin continued to be made by the people upon the altar in the Jerusalem temple - and this continued for forty years: Like lost sheep, the people were wandering in unbelief.

But as your post above once again shows, you do not believe scripture - you only believe what your own carnal mind tells you, though you claim you have "spiritual discernment". So it's hopeless talking to you about this anymore. You will just become rude asking another guy what is the matter with him when there is evidently something the matter with you.

We're done now.

A lot of misapplication of Scripture here. And you still don't get it. Read again from my previous post:

"Didn't you bother to read the context to find out that God has rebuked Judah (not northern Israel) during the days of Isaiah about 740BC. It is because although they were still performing religious rituals in the temple, they were morally corrupt, socially unjust, and spiritually unfaithful? Read Isaiah 1:18-20 carefully. God called them out for fake religion and warning them of judgment unless they repent. Well you should know what happened to Judah since she has not repented, during the days of Jeremiah. Nothing to do with Daniel 9. Selah!"

Now, for the umpteenth time—Daniel 9:27 is not about Old Testament Israel. That’s right—she was already made desolate in verse 26. You missed that part? Again? The kingdom was taken from her, and Christ confirmed the covenant with the New Testament Israel, which is the Church. That’s who now carries the kingdom mandate since the Cross. THIS is who offers sacrifice—not with animals, but through Christ Himself which He will end it -- AFTER finish building the church with all Elect secured FIRST. This is something that you are in blind to this truth.

So yes, once more for clarity: you’ve got the wrong sacrifice in verse 27. Still clinging to the temple stones and goats, are we?

And as for your interpretation of Daniel 8, 11, and 12? Antiochus Epiphanes again? Of course. I figured. The same recycled tradition that refuses to see the broader prophetic fulfillment in Christ and His body. You're not just missing a piece of the puzzle—you’re working from the wrong box altogether, using with history book for fulfillment instead of biblical history!

But hey, keep holding on to that doctrine if you must.... just don’t confuse it with the truth.

So yeah, YOU are done as far as I am concerned.