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I dare say, pretty much any child, beyond toddler age has for years had access to a phone and knew the 911 number.
If a child refused to complain to “the administrator's OF the Law…”, why would you expect “the Law Administrators”… to be involved?
This is a completely unrealistic expectation, based apparently on ignorance, whether wilful or not I don't know.

I am NOT the Worlds, Societies, Children's Caretaker.
Parable of the good Samaritan comes to mind. And I think something is wrong if we don't care and are not troubled by the corruption and abuses that go on in society.....since God puts a mark on those who are, to spare them His judgment.

I have sympathy for, unwanted, unguided, corrupted, abandoned, throw away, children.
It is a sad reflection upon the Whole of People at Large.
But no sympathy for the abused? The abused are just streetwalkers looking for money and fame? When actually it is usually abuse that turns young people into streetwalkers in the first place.
 
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From the OP:

Is anybody listening?​

Epstein Survivors Speak Live @Congress


There is yet another ongoing sophisticated psyop designed to ensure that people remain apathetic and out-of-touch with the awesome authority that has been provided for God's chosen. Concerning the "horrible and hideous crimes" underway, it is strictly forbidden by the perp's to even utter the name of Jesus lest their satanic house of cards come undone.


How I wish that was true. I am dealing with the debris of "targeted" families that have been torn asunder. Ppl are already acting against their own best interests, and many hate themselves for it but are powerless to change it. This is where Sanctify Yourself - Six Part Series comes into the picture.


Yes, so we must be wise about this. For example, do you really think the perp's would allow a "Congressional Hearing" on their media if they thought it might hurt their satanic goals? Folks, the hearings are another psyop:

The Six-Step Attitudinal Change Plan works like this:

1. Some practice so offensive that it can scarcely be discussed in public is advocated by a RESPECTED expert in a RESPECTED forum.

2. At first, the public is shocked, then outraged.

3. But, the VERY FACT that such a thing could be publicly debated becomes the SUBJECT of the debate.

4. In the debate, sheer repetition of the shocking subject gradually dulls its effect.

5. People then are no longer shocked.

6. No longer outraged, people begin to argue for positions to moderate the extreme; or, they accept the premise, challenging, instead, the means to ACHIEVE it.

The entire American population is being systematically exposed to this attitudinal change on a daily basis.

In occult circles, this psyop is known as "Revelation of the Method", where the perp's believe they are absolved of any responsibility for their criminality because they told us ahead of time and we did nothing about it. That, of course, is yet another lie, but THEY believe it to be valid and proceed accordingly. A "Congressional hearing" is simply intended to desensitize us to the increasing wickedness of Satan's kingdom.

The perp's "Congressional hearing" is but one more way they ultimately and satanically advocate for the wicked thing.


Exactly - even as it serves their purposes.


Absolutely. But we will render to whomever we acknowledge as our authority. So there is the choice: either BigPharma or Almighty God. Too many choose BigPharma out of default. The so-called church has not taught them how to fight the good fight, not taught them how to win. Again, until we clean up ourselves and start walking righteously, as sanctified vessels fit for God's service, we remain toast.


Exactly again.
Ultimately I believe it is the Lord who is deciding what, how much and when to expose the extent of the hideous things that have been going on under cover of darkness. I believe He is getting ready to judge it all and bring it down, mercifully....first He warns, then He exposes, then He judges. This is all way too much and too deep and interconnected for man to deal with....it is spiritual war in high places. It can be defiling and desensitizing I agree.....except for God's protection over us as His witnesses and beseeching Him to do something about it.
 
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This is a completely unrealistic expectation, based apparently on ignorance, whether wilful or not I don't know.
Not ignorance ....this is far darker than just ignorance. How can someone not blame the adults, but they blame the 3 or 4 year old child who didn't call 911????
 
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Good for you. If you're this watchful and aware you should be aware enough to understand that many children don't have parents who are this watchful and aware, because the devil works under cover of darkness. Most people are not aware of how prevalent sexual abuse is.

I do think the broken homes, parental abuse, ignored, is sadly widespread.

Want to observe a freak show, go to a walmart. G/ma’s calling their grand kids , brats, a-holes… disgusting.

And if you're so aware you ought also to be aware that most of Epsteins and his client's accusers would already have spent years blaming themselves and now are healed enough and clear-eyed enough to realize that they had been abused and exploited, and to be seeking some kind of justice for the part those lewd men played in their abuse. For the sake of simple justice and to hopefully help spare other girls the same fate.

I have no doubt, 99% of kids have made really dumb choices … Sex is only one common dumb choices kids make…And absolutely adults also have experienced making dumb choices…
Choice was theirs, and if shame, guilt haunts them, lingers…they have to decide to make different choices.
One party or the other is not the exclusive Blame holder.
(Of course, chained, forced is a different scenario).

What is the Justice they Seek?
Warn other girls? And they would listen to an Adult, they do not know?
Doubt it.
 

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People who silence victims and make excuses for pedophiles to perpetrate fit right into the same category as the pedophiles .... it's very cringey ...these are words pedophiles would use.
 

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Ultimately I believe it is the Lord who is deciding what, how much and when to expose the extent of the hideous things that have been going on under cover of darkness. I believe He is getting ready to judge it all and bring it down, mercifully....first He warns, then He exposes, then He judges. This is all way too much and too deep and interconnected for man to deal with....it is spiritual war in high places. It can be defiling and desensitizing I agree.....except for God's protection over us as His witnesses and beseeching Him to do something about it.
As far as defiling ...think how those children/girls felt when it happened to them. Someone has to expose. And someone needs to hear. And if we can't be their advocates, and willing to acknowledge that we hear, we believe them, and we will pray for them ....then we fall short.

If one of these women were standing in front of you telling their story to you, what would you do, sister? I know you have a soft heart.
 

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This is a completely unrealistic expectation, based apparently on ignorance, whether wilful or not I don't know.

It is your prerogative to believe it an unrealistic expectation for one to ask another for help.

Parable of the good Samaritan comes to mind. And I think something is wrong if we don't care and are not troubled by the corruption and abuses that go on in society....

“Don’t Care” are your words.
“Not the worlds Care-Taker”, my words.
You said it was ignorant to “not be troubled” by corruption and abuses that go on in society…
I didn’t say it was not troubling.

THIS World…promotes, instigates and fosters the Ways and Means for the Corrupt among Society to be the Model for rearing Children.

God promotes the Responsibility For the Model of Gods Ways and Means begins in the Home, Before the child is Released out into Society.

I find it Very troubling, so many little children are reared under the guidance of Corrupted role models…( with IN and OUT side of the home).

God directs the individual to (Take) CARE of his own., especially his own household.
1 Tim 5:8

But no sympathy for the abused? The abused are just streetwalkers looking for money and fame? When actually it is usually abuse that turns young people into streetwalkers in the first place.

You may think, your words “JUST streetwalkers”…
I think it is a plethora of young children (subjected to corruption), and such growing / aging, children…unleashed into society…without having been taught the balance of a moral compass…negatively affects the whole of society.

You have “sympathy” / pity, of what occurred.
I have “empathy” / understanding when and why it occurred.

Controlling little children “in homes, schools, care takers, streets”, etc.) via DRUGS, is WIDELY, Commonly, Promoted and WIDELY,
Accepted by society.

The REAL underlying Debate, IS in WHOSE “Pocket”, IS the “cost of the Drugs” going to benefit.

Regarding “little children”…they are Dependent, on others.

Adults are Independent…to learn, decide, choose their own way of belief / behavior.

Inbetween…transitioning. Maybe a “Lawful standard of a Set Number age”, maybe not, Seems to be the High-light of the Epstein saga.

What about Them? Abused at home? Escaping home? Agreeable to an Adventure? Greed?

What enticed Them to consider participation? Money? Travel? Fame? Sex with old men? Sex with famed men? Sex with wealthy men? Freebie Drugs?

What did They receive?

Did they Willingly “return” / “continue” for more ?

What enticed Them to consider recruiting their friends and acquaintances ?

What do they NOW Want?
 

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I do think the broken homes, parental abuse, ignored, is sadly widespread.

Want to observe a freak show, go to a walmart. G/ma’s calling their grand kids , brats, a-holes… disgusting.


I have no doubt, 99% of kids have made really dumb choices … Sex is only one common dumb choices kids make…And absolutely adults also have experienced making dumb choices…
Choice was theirs, and if shame, guilt haunts them, lingers…they have to decide to make different choices.
One party or the other is not the exclusive Blame holder.
(Of course, chained, forced is a different scenario).

What is the Justice they Seek?
Warn other girls? And they would listen to an Adult, they do not know?
Doubt it.
I find it very strange when sex crimes are treated dismissively and negated as being less egregious than other crimes. A government that isn't either foolish or corrupt should be doing their God-given job and prosecuting criminals regardless of their status to put them behind bars where they can't hurt any more young girls and destroy lives any more.

I think this would be a different conversation if a gang were going around robbing and beating up scores of people and leaving them maimed with lasting pain and injuries because they made a dumb choice to take a short cut down down a dark alley one evening, and the government was covering up for the gang and refusing to police dark alleys and round up and prosecute the gang members.

Suggest you do some soul-searching.
 
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It is your prerogative to believe it an unrealistic expectation for one to ask another for help.



“Don’t Care” are your words.
“Not the worlds Care-Taker”, my words.
You said it was ignorant to “not be troubled” by corruption and abuses that go on in society…
I didn’t say it was not troubling.

THIS World…promotes, instigates and fosters the Ways and Means for the Corrupt among Society to be the Model for rearing Children.

God promotes the Responsibility For the Model of Gods Ways and Means begins in the Home, Before the child is Released out into Society.

I find it Very troubling, so many little children are reared under the guidance of Corrupted role models…( with IN and OUT side of the home).

God directs the individual to (Take) CARE of his own., especially his own household.
1 Tim 5:8



You may think, your words “JUST streetwalkers”…
I think it is a plethora of young children (subjected to corruption), and such growing / aging, children…unleashed into society…without having been taught the balance of a moral compass…negatively affects the whole of society.

You have “sympathy” / pity, of what occurred.
I have “empathy” / understanding when and why it occurred.

Controlling little children “in homes, schools, care takers, streets”, etc.) via DRUGS, is WIDELY, Commonly, Promoted and WIDELY,
Accepted by society.

The REAL underlying Debate, IS in WHOSE “Pocket”, IS the “cost of the Drugs” going to benefit.

Regarding “little children”…they are Dependent, on others.

Adults are Independent…to learn, decide, choose their own way of belief / behavior.

Inbetween…transitioning. Maybe a “Lawful standard of a Set Number age”, maybe not, Seems to be the High-light of the Epstein saga.

What about Them? Abused at home? Escaping home? Agreeable to an Adventure? Greed?

What enticed Them to consider participation? Money? Travel? Fame? Sex with old men? Sex with famed men? Sex with wealthy men? Freebie Drugs?

What did They receive?

Did they Willingly “return” / “continue” for more ?

What enticed Them to consider recruiting their friends and acquaintances ?

What do they NOW Want?
Your ignorance is showing. Is it wilful because you want to give one of the criminals a free pass for some reason?
 
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People who silence victims and make excuses for pedophiles to perpetrate fit right into the same category as the pedophiles .... it's very cringey ...these are words pedophiles would use.
It's strange how something so simple is being carefully rationalized and philosophized away here. Some are very happy that their favourite politician is trying to clean up crime in their country, but they don't want this particular crime scheme exposed and cleaned up. There's a contradiction here, and we know why.
 

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I find it very strange when sex crimes are treated dismissively and negated as being less egregious than other crimes.

That is your perspective.
Nothing I have said

A government that isn't either foolish or corrupt should be doing their God-given job and prosecuting criminals regardless of their status to put them behind bars where they can't hurt any more young girls and destroy lives any more.

The US governments, are by, for, of the people.
When the People elect / seat a gov rep, their Job is established by the Limits of the Constitution.

I think this would be a different conversation if a gang were going around robbing and beating up scores of people and leaving them maimed with lasting pain and injuries because they made a dumb choice to take a short cut down down a dark alley one evening, and the government was covering up for the gang and refusing to police dark alleys and round up and prosecute the gang members.

You are going off on a tangent.

Suggest you do some soul-searching.

I suggest you be accountable for your choices as I will be accountable for mine.

You want to choose to walk in the evening down a dark alley…your choice.

As it is you choice to “not wonder or mention”… WHO was the responsible care-taker of “underaged girls”, not knowing the girls whereabouts for hours / days?
 
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It's strange how something so simple is being carefully rationalized and philosophized away here. Some are very happy that their favourite politician is trying to clean up crime in their country, but they don't want this particular crime scheme exposed and cleaned up. There's a contradiction here, and we know why.

News outlets / Platforms are the Venue for Making Accusations.

Courts are the Venue to Reveal Evidence.

Some are very happy that their favourite politician is trying to clean up crime in their country,

Crime eradication efforts… Yep I favor.

but they don't want this particular crime scheme exposed and cleaned up.

Victim files claim, Victim gives Evidence, Court of Law hears, review, determine evidence sufficient or not. Ruling.

There's a contradiction here, and we know why.

What is it you know? … politically accusations determines guilt in Canada?
 

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Your ignorance is showing. Is it wilful because you want to give one of the criminals a free pass for some reason?

Your “opinion is irrelevant” and “ignorant”.

One of the Criminals…a free pass?

Who do You Name the “one criminal”?
What is the “crime”?
When did your Opinion legally Matter in the United States?
 

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Crime eradication efforts… Yep I favor.
Well good. And I agree...it's not good when criminals are allowed to run rampant to the hurt of people and society. So then you must favour that the FBI release the evidence they have in their files on this case and let charges be laid as appropriate. After all, that was even one of the promises the President ran his campaign on. What is your take on why he is not keeping his promise and instead trying his darndest to get the public to forget about it?
 
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We should never listen to those who bear false witness.

God protect our country and President Trump. :pray:

The Epstein papers are a hoax!
 

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We should never listen to those who bear false witness.

God protect our country and President Trump. :pray:

The Epstein papers are a hoax!
Why did he promise to release something that was a hoax? And why is he only now suddenly calling them a hoax? If he suddenly were to tell you the moon is made of green cheese, would you believe him?
 

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We should never listen to those who bear false witness.

God protect our country and President Trump. :pray:

The Epstein papers are a hoax!
I've been trying to listen to both sides. Have you? Included in the "Epstein files" that Trump is calling a hoax are the depositions and many witness accounts that are talked about here by the lawyer for the victims:
 
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