Is God outside of time?

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Time is a property of our universe. The theory of relativity proves this. God exists outside of the universe and therefore outside of spacetime.
 
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I have heard the argument that God is necessarily outside of time. Is this true?

If we define "time" as a measurement of change (so that we can say something is in the past, is presently happening, or will happen), then God cannot be outside of time. If God was outside of time, he would not be capable of change (for if he did, then he would be in time.) If God cannot change, God cannot create for an action of will requires moving from a state of non-will to will, which requires time (because it is a change.) If God cannot create, he cannot be the creator of the universe.

However, if God is inside of time, then he also cannot be the creator of the universe for time has not always existed, meaning there must be a being greater than God making God not God.
Well a black hole has the ability to stop time. So the black hole is outside of time and inside time at the same time.
 

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Time is a property of our universe. The theory of relativity proves this. God exists outside of the universe and therefore outside of spacetime.
Until you run into a black hole were time goes right out the window.
 

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If God does not change, how did he create the universe? To create means something goes from non-existence to existence. Creation is an act of God. Act implies God decided to do something. If he cannot change, how can he go from not creating to creating? Either he must always be creating or never create, if he doesn't change, he can't go from one to another.
He is always working