Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Kokyu]

It's so simple! We are reconciled to God in Christ. And Jesus Christ doesn't change. He is our eternal high priest who ever lives to make intercession for us.

I am reconciled to God not by my good behavior, and I won't become "unreconciled" by my bad behavior. It's in Christ alone.

Much love!

Amen! And again, AMEN!

 

[Ezra]

If so, I can't, of course, agree. I think the Bible is crystal clear that my salvation rests entirely in Christ and his finished work at Calvary, not in me. I am "in him" and because he is perfect and thus always accepted by God, being in him, I, too am always accepted by God. Thus, my salvation is eternal, as Scripture says, located, as it is in, the perfect Savior, not in me.

so are you saying you are the ONLY ONE with the correct interpterion's.. because if you are there are those who oppose osas that have scriptures also . i have studied both sides of the coin out personally i know in whom i have beloved.. ive been to independent fundamentalis baptis Churches .. trust me they are some good preachers.. but they also will say they hold correct doctrine

 

[Ezra]

the doctrine of eternal security properly would ever urge a fellow believer to feel free to sin.

i agree but i heard jack graham on the radio preach you cant live in sin as in fully practice ..then the next sentence said but you cant lose your salvation .. none of this is my 1st rodeo i understand true eternal security


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if we fail to follow those standards as in make No effort that is the the red flag

Absolutely!


see we just agreed on what i been saying.. the majority preachers listen to online preach osas but they also put out strict Guidelines... we simply can not say we are truly born again and live the life of drinking cheating what ever else comes into play.. then say i am saved i know iam wrong.. but i wont got to hell.. i just dont get any Rewards.. that is junk

 

[GodsGrace]

You do here with my words what you do with God's word, redacting my statement to suit your bias and preconceptions and offering a contortion of the truth as a result.

YOUR words K.
Don't accuse ME of saying YOUR words:

Let's look again:

Here's what you stated in no. 653

"Anyway, if you'd read through my posts in this thread, you'd know that I've already thoroughly answered this question. In short: No it is not necessary to obey God in order to remain His perfectly redeemed, justified, sanctified and adopted child...


ANYTHING that came after is irrelevant.

You, as a Christian person, have just stated that it is NOT NECESSARY TO OBEY GOD in order to remain redeemed and justified.

This was in reply to my question to you:
IS IT NECESSARY TO OBEY GOD AFTER SALVATION?

I pray that those posting on this thread believe that it IS necessary to obey God after salvation.

I don't believe any scripture is necessary.

 

[Ezra]

I pray that those posting on this thread believe that it IS necessary to obey God after salvation.

i would agree and i will add this my thoughts we should want to obey.. question is will we %100. everytime? no but it should be our goal ..

 

[GRACE ambassador]

op: possible to 'lose' salvation?
with men, yes, they say it is possible... But, Always Check With ALL Of God's Pure And Holy Word, eh?:

With God One Thing Is IMpossible = man's 'losing' God's Eternal Salvation! Biblical Confirmation!:

God's OPERATION On All HIS New-born babes In CHRIST
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God's Eternal Assurance
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God's Eternal Life Insurance

license to sin? No, Rather A "License to SERVE God out of LOVE", Not "FEAR of losing an Eternal GIFT!"
As Grace Teaches us:

"For the Grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching​

us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously,​

and godly, in this present world; Looking for That Blessed Hope, and The Glorious​

Appearing of The Great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ!" (Titus 2:11-13 AV)​

Are we faithful and ready for God's Next Great Event? His Great GRACE Departure!
And "The [ Accompanying JUDGMENT ] Day"? We Certainly can be, eh?:

"Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own​

reward according to his own labour. For we [ BOTH "faithful and UN-faithful" ] are labourers​

together with God: ye are God’s husbandry, ye are God’s building.​

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According to The Grace Of God Which Is Given Unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid​

The Foundation, and another buildeth Thereon. But let EVERY man take heed how he buildeth​

Thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay than That is laid, Which Is Jesus Christ.​

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Now if any man build upon This Foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;​

EVERY man’s work shall be made manifest: for The Day Shall Declare it, because it Shall Be​

Revealed By Fire; and The Fire [ His Eyes? Rev 1:14 AV ] Shall Try every man’s work of what sort​

it is. If any man’s work abide which he hath built Thereupon, he [ faithFULL? ] shall receive a reward.​

​

[ UN-faithful? ]​

If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself SHALL Be Saved; yet so as by fire."​

(1 Corinthians 3:8-15 AV) ........... 'lose'? God Says: "IMPOSSIBLE!" ↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑↑​

( also refer to 5:1-5 same letter about 'unfaithfulness'... )

Amen!

 

[marks]

You, as a Christian person, have just stated that it is NOT NECESSARY TO OBEY GOD in order to remain redeemed and justified.

You, as a Christian person, have just affirmed your belief that Jesus' death is insufficient to keep you saved, and you must add your own obedience in order to remain saved.

Faith in Christ + faith in your works = Salvation?

Much love!

 

[Kokyu]

so are you saying you are the ONLY ONE with the correct interpterion's..

I don't know why you think your uncertainty about this matter of the believer's eternal security ought to be mine, too. Can you show me where in what I wrote about why I'm secure in Christ, I have misinterpreted God's word? Where does Scripture deny that God always accepts Christ and that I am in Christ? If I'm in him, as the Bible says repeatedly that I am, and I'm fully justified, sanctified and adopted by God, as the Bible says that I am, how does it not follow that I am as accepted by God as Christ is?

When one is confident in the truth, it isn't a virtue to carry on as though the truth is not true. Imagine if your banker said to you, "Well, I'm not sure two plus two does actually equal four. I may be wrong about this. Someone may have a different interpretation." Or imagine if a neighbor said to you, "Maybe the earth does orbit the Sun. It doesn't look this way from my position on earth, though, so others may have a different interpretation..." Or imagine a person is fooling around at the edge of a very high cliff without a safe means of descent and you say to them, "It might be - and this is just my interpretation, of course - that, if you're not careful and fall off this cliff, gravity will pull you downward with such force that, when you hit the ground, you'll die. Others may interpret reality differently, so don't take my warning too seriously." I'd think anyone talking in these ways about these things was nuts - or exceedingly foolish and ignorant. And it wouldn't be arrogant of me to think so, either, but simply reasonable and honest.

Well, I think the matter of my eternal security in Jesus is just as certain as 2+2=4, or the earth orbiting the Sun, or the potentially deadly force of gravity. And so, I speak with equal confidence about my eternal security in him as I do about these other things. To those who think being uncertain is virtuous, this certainty comes off as pride, but it's not.

because if you are there are those who oppose osas that have scriptures also . i have studied both sides of the coin out personally i know in whom i have beloved..

Not all interpretations are equal. Some are quite awful, actually - like the SandL interpretation of God's word. I've explained throughout this thread why this is so. I, too, have spent a great deal of time studying out this matter, carefully considering the many prooftexts of the SandL view, and see, as a result, how in error that view is. Again, this isn't being arrogant but certain that the SandL view is quite wrong. If I truly believe this, I ought to say so, not take a postmodern attitude and pretend there is parity between truth and error.

i agree but i heard jack graham on the radio preach you cant live in sin as in fully practice ..then the next sentence said but you cant lose your salvation .. none of this is my 1st rodeo i understand true eternal security

I don't mean to suggest you're in your first "rodeo" in this discussion of OSAS.

I agree with Jack that God's infinite grace extended to us in Jesus is not grounds for making a practice of sin.

see we just agreed on what i been saying.. the majority preachers listen to online preach osas but they also put out strict Guidelines... we simply can not say we are truly born again and live the life of drinking cheating what ever else comes into play.. then say i am saved i know iam wrong.. but i wont got to hell.. i just dont get any Rewards.. that is junk

Yes, OSAS does not neglect, or contradict, the need for holiness. Far from it. Instead, it urges a far better, far higher and more powerful motive for walking with God than the fear of the SandL crowd: Love. (Matt. 22:36-38; 1 Co. 13:1-3).

Anyone who claims to be a disciple of Christ, a Christian, but never follows in his steps has not been saved, whatever they claim. And any person claiming salvation in whom the life and work of the Spirit has never been evident is also not saved, whatever they claim.

If you wouldn't mind, I would like you to explain your last statement in the quotation above in light of the following:

1 Corinthians 3:11-15
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.
14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

 

[Kokyu]

YOUR words K.
Don't accuse ME of saying YOUR words:

My words divorced from their full context. Just like you do with God's word.

Let's look again:

Here's what you stated in no. 653

"Anyway, if you'd read through my posts in this thread, you'd know that I've already thoroughly answered this question. In short: No it is not necessary to obey God in order to remain His perfectly redeemed, justified, sanctified and adopted child...


ANYTHING that came after is irrelevant.

Every person who is prooftexting illegitimately says the same thing" "This bit is irrelevant." It's a very convenient statement when forcing one's ideas onto the words of others, but it always results in distortion of meaning - as you've demonstrated in your handling of God's word and your misuse of my remarks.

You, as a Christian person, have just stated that it is NOT NECESSARY TO OBEY GOD in order to remain redeemed and justified.

This was in reply to my question to you:
IS IT NECESSARY TO OBEY GOD AFTER SALVATION?

I pray that those posting on this thread believe that it IS necessary to obey God after salvation.

I don't believe any scripture is necessary.

And here is the distortion that had to come out of your twisting of my words. The same thing happens when you do the same sort of twisting of God's word.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

license to sin? No, Rather A "License to SERVE God out of LOVE", Not "FEAR of losing an Eternal GIFT!"

So you are saying one can get saved, continue living in sin, and still be saved?

 

[Ezra]

I don't know why you think your uncertainty about this matter of the believer's eternal security ought to be mine, too.

ya know in discussions like this %99 of the time it ends up you the poster are the only one right.. news FLASH i am by far uncertain on my salvation .. you on the other hand are sounding like tinkling brass ( alot of Noise )

When one is confident in the truth, it isn't a virtue to carry on as though the truth is not true. Imagine if your banker said to you, "Well, I'm not sure two plus two does actually equal four.

lol if i am the banker your account is overdrawn .. you need learn basic math untill then your account is void..

I don't mean to suggest you're in your first "rodeo" in this discussion of OSAS.

I agree with Jack that God's infinite grace extended to us in Jesus is not grounds for making a practice of sin.


Yes, OSAS does not neglect, or contradict, the need for holiness. Far from it. Instead, it urges a far better, far higher and more powerful motive for walking with God than the fear of the SandL crowd: Love. (Matt. 22:36-38; 1 Co. 13:1-3).

Anyone who claims to be a disciple of Christ, a Christian, but never follows in his steps has not been saved, whatever they claim. And any person claiming salvation in whom the life and work of the Spirit has never been evident is also not saved, whatever they claim.

If you wouldn't mind, I would like you to explain your last statement in the quotation above in light of the following:

I DO MIND you said at one point you was a former calvinist.. it shows this is the exact way they replied in Carm .. which i am no longer part of i got tired of the garbage..




i tried to explain things to you. in the most simplest way possible.. but instead you twisted it and wanted to prove how wrong i was and How RIGHT YOU ARE. .. it was good up to this point ..well sir you done hit that button

 

[Ezra]

op: possible to 'lose' salvation?
with men, yes, they say it is possible... But, Always Check With ALL Of God's Pure And Holy Word, eh?:

eh do you not understand other people have done this? or are you saying you and you only and your few hold the correct doctrine the correct interpretation ?

 

[Kokyu]

ya know in discussions like this %99 of the time it ends up you the poster are the only one right.. news FLASH i am by far uncertain on my salvation .. you on the other hand are sounding like tinkling brass ( alot of Noise )

Yeah, the more unsure a person is about their faith, the more disturbed they are by those who aren't also unsure. *Shrugs* It's just how it goes, I guess. As I said, your uncertainty about God's word in no way obliges me to be likewise uncertain.

I DO MIND you said at one point you was a former calvinist.. it shows this is the exact way they replied in Carm .. which i am no longer part of i got tired of the garbage..

I'm not a Calvinist but I do try to be as careful a thinker as I can be. Sometimes, this becomes frustrating "garbage" to those who aren't interested in being as careful about how they're thinking. Ah, well.

i tried to explain things to you. in the most simplest way possible.. but instead you twisted it and wanted to prove how wrong i was and How RIGHT YOU ARE. .. it was good up to this point ..well sir you done hit that button

I'm not interested in proving you wrong and myself right but in getting as close to God's Truth as possible. Doing so means that a lot of stuff gets excluded. If the ball is small, round and totally black, being any other kind of ball, or thing, is excluded. This is just the way truth is. This reality isn't going to change because you want everyone else to be as uncertain as you are.

 

[GodsGrace]

i would agree and i will add this my thoughts we should want to obey.. question is will we %100. everytime? no but it should be our goal ..

Exactly!

 

[Ezra]

eah, the more unsure a person is about their faith, the more disturbed they are by those who aren't also unsure. *Shrugs* It's just how it goes, I guess. As I said, your uncertainty about God's word in no way obliges me to be likewise uncertain.

please understand this i am NOT UNSURE ABOUT MY SALVATION THERE IS NO UNCERTAINTY ABOUT MY SALVATION OR THE WORD..

This reality isn't going to change because you want everyone else to be as uncertain as you are.

YOU REALLY DONT GET IT DO YOU ?

 

[GodsGrace]

You, as a Christian person, have just affirmed your belief that Jesus' death is insufficient to keep you saved, and you must add your own obedience in order to remain saved.

Faith in Christ + faith in your works = Salvation?

Much love!

Faith in Christ.

Doing good works as CHRIST directed us to do.

Jesus died on that cross for you marks.
How about doing YOUR part??

Yes sir,,,unlike youself,,I DO believe that we are to obey God:

John 3:36
36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."


And what did JESUS teach? That we are to ACT on HIS WORDS...


Matthew 5:20
20 "For I say to you that unless * your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.


Jesus taught that some are wise men:

Matthew 7:24
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.


And some are foolish men:

Matthew 7:26
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.


The waters came and carried the foolish man away.....he died.
The wise man was safe.

Which one are you marks?

Do you ACT on the words of Jesus....
or do you presume that He didn't mean what He taught?

 

[Ezra]

Exactly!

THere is some who are like a mule looking at a new gate... no matter how hard you try to have a ADULT conversation.. they act like pre k fighting over toys mine mine mine gezzz lol..

 

[GodsGrace]

please understand this i am NOT UNSURE ABOUT MY SALVATION THERE IS NO UNCERTAINTY ABOUT MY SALVATION OR THE WORD..


YOU REALLY DONT GET IT DO YOU ?

Take it easy Ezra.
No. The other member does not get it because those that believe as HE does do not WANT to get it.
They want to believe that it's not necessary to obey God.
They are the blind leading the blind and falling off the cliff.

I post here to open the eyes of those that believe incorrect NT teachings...
one of the worst is OSAS.

It does not exit in the NT...
and it did not exist in the early church and not until the Reformation...

New ideas are never biblical because theologians from the beginning had more information that we do today and they never believed some things we hear on these forums.

 

[GodsGrace]

My words divorced from their full context. Just like you do with God's word.



Every person who is prooftexting illegitimately says the same thing" "This bit is irrelevant." It's a very convenient statement when forcing one's ideas onto the words of others, but it always results in distortion of meaning - as you've demonstrated in your handling of God's word and your misuse of my remarks.




And here is the distortion that had to come out of your twisting of my words. The same thing happens when you do the same sort of twisting of God's word.

I don't see any scripture to which I could respond.

The rest is YOUR OPINION...
which, BTW, is NOT biblical.

GOD DEMANDS obedience from those that are saved.


JESUS SAID.
John 14:15
15“If you love me, you will keep my commandments.


Luke 6:46
46“Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do what I tell you?


Luke 11:28
28But he said, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”


John 8:51
51"Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never * see death."


JAMES SAID.
James 1:22
22But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.


PAUL SAID:
Romans 6:16
16Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Romans 1:5
Through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations,


There are many many more Kokyu.
God demands obedience...in the OT and in the NT.


I pray that those reading along do not heed anyone that claims that God does not require obedience.
Jesus has made it clear that we must obey Him.

 

[Ezra]

ake it easy Ezra.
No. The other member does not get it because those that believe as HE does do not WANT to get it.
They want to believe that it's not necessary to obey God.
They are the blind leading the blind and falling off the cliff.

its no skin off my nose some one wants hold to eternal security or they dont.. i have friends both sides of the fence .. i am not in here to prove either way.. i just enjoy a good discussion yes i have a different view of both teachings.. i like being different