Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Muna]

Are you Catholic?

No

 

[nedsk]

Can you be certain, beyond any doubt, what you will be doing tomorrow, next year, the next decade? How can you be certain that you will not do whatever you think it takes to lose your salvation? Be honest. If you are honest, I think you have to say you really can't guarantee that you will not do whatever you think causes you to lose your salvation. Does that not cause you to walk everyday in fear? It must be awful to live with the fear of losing your salvation because of something you might do in the future. I can't imagine how awful it must be.

Can you be certain, beyond any doubt, what you will be doing tomorrow, next year, the next decade? How can you be certain that you will not do whatever you think it takes to lose your salvation? Be honest. If you are honest, I think you have to say you really can't guarantee that you will not do whatever you think causes you to lose your salvation. Does that not cause you to walk everyday in fear? It must be awful to live with the fear of losing your salvation because of something you might do in the future. I can't imagine how awful it must be.

It's not awful at all and in fact is far better than walking around believing there isn't anything I can do to lose it. It's absolutely foolish pride to think there isn't a thing I can do to lose my salvation and it's not biblical to believe I can't lose it. This is the root of the heresy you've been duped into believing.

I'm a human being and I sin. As do you. There is a price for sin. There have never been two people who were more close to God than Adam and Eve and they were kicked out of the garden of Eden but there isn't any chance you could be? That's more than foolish pride.

 

[nedsk]

No

Of course you aren't which is why you're so blissfully ignorant of the history of your own belief system.

 

[Muna]

Of course you aren't which is why you're so blissfully ignorant of the history of your own belief system.

That was fruitful

 

[nedsk]

That was fruitful

ok you want fruitful? Lets slowly. Do you know who Martin Luther is?

 

[Muna]

ok you want fruitful? Lets slowly. Do you know who Martin Luther is?

What kind of conversation is this in Jesus Christ?

 

[Behold]

Jesus never gave two different gospels—one for His apostles and another for Paul.

The Cross of Christ is where Salvation is found "in the Time of the Gentiles".

"The Time of the Gentiles" didnt begin until Jesus died on The Cross, which is The Gospel that Paul Teaches.

"we preach CHRIST CRUCIFIED"...

Jesus could not have given this "Gospel" to the JEWS, when He was dealing with "the House of Israel", as He had not died yet, so, He could not offer them Paul's Gospel.

Pehaps you could cut and past much much less, and try listening and thinking, instead @LoveYeshua

 

[Rich R]

It's not awful at all and in fact is far better than walking around believing there isn't anything I can do to lose it. It's absolutely foolish pride to think there isn't a thing I can do to lose my salvation and it's not biblical to believe I can't lose it. This is the root of the heresy you've been duped into believing.

I'm a human being and I sin. As do you. There is a price for sin. There have never been two people who were more close to God than Adam and Eve and they were kicked out of the garden of Eden but there isn't any chance you could be? That's more than foolish pride.

I don't see it as foolish pride that God's workmanship in me perfect. He didn't give any of us and improved flesh. Instead He created a new man, i.e. holy spirit in a newly reborn Christian. No matter how someone controls their flesh, it's never going to see the coming kingdom of Christ

1 Cor 15:50,

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.​

The Galatians made the mistake of thinking what they did in the flesh mattered. They were wrong. He actually called them fools for even trying!

Gal 3:1-3,

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?​

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2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?​

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3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?​

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The spirit is God's workmanship and I'm 100% confident: "...that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." (2 Tim 1:12)

Walking in fear is never a good thing.

1John 4:18,

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

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To the degree a Christian walks in fear (and fear of losing salvation is about as fearful as it can get), that Christian is missing the love that God has for His children. We ought to walk in obedience out of love, not fear. Love and fear can not coexist. It's one or the other. To think otherwise is the height of pride.

 

[nedsk]

What kind of conversation is this in Jesus Christ?

You'd find out if you engaged but you don't have interest in doing so. Again I'm not surprised but you will tell me how unfruitful this is. Fascinating

 

[Muna]

You'd find out if you engaged but you don't have interest in doing so. Again I'm not surprised but you will tell me how unfruitful this is. Fascinating

Engage with talking about men?

You are correct, I have no interest in doing that.

 

[nedsk]

I don't see it as foolish pride that God's workmanship in me perfect. He didn't give any of us and improved flesh. Instead He created a new man, i.e. holy spirit in a newly reborn Christian. No matter how someone controls their flesh, it's never going to see the coming kingdom of Christ

1 Cor 15:50,

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.​

The Galatians made the mistake of thinking what they did in the flesh mattered. They were wrong. He actually called them fools for even trying!

Gal 3:1-3,

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?​

​

2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?​

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3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?​

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The spirit is God's workmanship and I'm 100% confident that: "...that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." (2 Tim 1:12)

Walking in fear is never a good thing.

1John 4:18,

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

​

To the degree a Christian walks in fear (and fear of losing salvation is about as fearful as it can get), that Christian is missing the love that God has for His children. We ought to walk in obedience out of love, not fear. Love and fear can not coexist. It's one or the other. To think otherwise is the height of pride.

Of course fear and love can co-exist. What can't co-exist is love and loss of free will. The fact is if I'm not free to walk away then I'm not acting out of love. Love is a fre choice of the will. If there is nothing I can do to lose my salvation then everything I'm doing is not for love.

 

[nedsk]

Engage with talking about men?

You are correct, I have no interest in doing that.

Well you should be interested since it was a man that has led you and millions upon millions of others into the heresies that you are so blissfully ignorant of but cling to as if your next breath depended on it. It's.mind boggling.

 

[Rich R]

Of course fear and love can co-exist. What can't co-exist is love and loss of free will. The fact is if I'm not free to walk away then I'm not acting out of love. Love is a fre choice of the will. If there is nothing I can do to lose my salvation then everything I'm doing is not for love.

1 John 4:18,

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

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Read this verse very carefully, and then decide if fear and love can really co-exist.

 

[Muna]

Well you should be interested since it was a man that has led you and millions upon millions of others into the heresies that you are so blissfully ignorant of but cling to as if your next breath depended on it. It's.mind boggling.

I think I'll pass on the discussion on some man I never met deluding me.

 

[nedsk]

1 John 4:18,

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

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Read this verse very carefully, and then decide if fear and love can really co-exist.

I read it very carefully and it says perfect love. Neither you nor I possess perfect love.

 

[nedsk]

I think I'll pass on the discussion on some man I never met deluding me.

Well he deluded you and most of the people you know I suspect. It's your decision but you are direct result of the heresy that Luther brought into the world. You're his disciple. That's just how it is so I get why you're afraid.

 

[Muna]

1 John 4:18,

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.​

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Read this verse very carefully, and then decide if fear and love can really co-exist.

And hereby we know that we are in Him

1 John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.

 

[Muna]

Well he deluded you and most of the people you know I suspect. It's your decision but you are direct result of the heresy that Luther brought into the world. You're his disciple. That's just how it is so I get why you're afraid.

Someone I never met, who I never read anything written by him, still means I am this man's disciple and I afraid because of this man?

What am I supposed to be afraid of because of this man?

 

[complete]

The statement you shared is in direct conflict with the words of Jesus Christ and the testimony of Scripture. To say that Gentiles are not bound to God’s commandments is to reject the very foundation of the new covenant, because Jesus Himself said, “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15, NKJV). He did not say, “If you are Jewish, keep My commandments,” but spoke to all who would follow Him.​

'If ye love Me, keep My commandments.'
(Joh 14:15)

'If ye keep My commandments,
ye shall abide in My love;
even as I have kept My Father's commandments,
and abide in His love.'
(Joh 15:10)

Hello @LoveYeshua,

'This is My commandment,
That ye love one another,
as I have loved you.'
(Joh 15:12)

'Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.'
(Rom 13:8)

'Beloved, let us love one another:
for love is of God;
and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
In this was manifested the love of God toward us,
because that God sent His only begotten Son into the world,
that we might live through Him.
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us,
and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
No man hath seen God at any time.
If we love one another, God dwelleth in us,
and His love is perfected in us.'
(1Jn 4:7-13)

Praise His Holy Name!

Thank you.
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[nedsk]

Someone I never met, who I never read anything written by him, still means I am this man's disciple and I afraid because of this man?

What am I supposed to be afraid of because of this man?

It's amazing, it's like an American citizen having no idea who George Washington is and not only that but not having even the slightest interest in finding out who he was.

If that man leads you away from God shouldn't you be afraid of him?