Is it possible to lose salvation?

[BreadOfLife]

You said, " Circumcision was the cutting off of foreskin."
Shows two in the above post, you posted also
"Baptism is immersion into water."

Jesus who was cicumcised the eighth day according to the law was later baptized when he was older by John

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him

Likewise it says here

1 Cr 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Mary had him circumcised his foreskin the eighth day (as a child) according to the law, and John (who had the Holy ghost from the womb) baptized Jesus with water when Jesus was around 30 years old, where the Spirit of God descended upon him there. After which times he was driven into the wilderness to be tried by the devil to return in power.

I agree with the scriptures, I dont see how I agreed with infant baptisn

After reading this repeatedly – I’m NOT quire sure what your point is.

You mention the fact that Jesus was circumcised and that He was Baptized.
WHAT does that have to do with Infant Baptism??

 

[Muna]

After reading this repeatedly – I’m NOT quire sure what your point is.

You mention the fact that Jesus was circumcised and that He was Baptized.
WHAT does that have to do with Infant Baptism??

You still talking to me in here

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Biblical interpretation refers to the process of explaining or elucidating the meaning of Scripture

Beyond learning the meaning of some words, this framework you present is entirely man made from the carnal minds of men who cannot comprehend the spiritual aspects of scriptures. Men of carnal minds are naturally attracted to these devices in hope of becoming as wise as their carnal minded teachers.

It involves understanding the original intent of the biblical authors, properly translating His words into your vernacular

Original intent?

“That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2Ti 3:17, KJV)

Properly translating?

The holy scriptures have been properly translated in the King James Bible.

the cultural and historical context, and the application of biblical truths......

Again, the scripture did not come from the mind of men, who are influenced by their times and culture. The scripture came from God, who is eternal and is not influenced by times, man’s culture, or any earthly limitations whatsoever:

“Blessed be the Lord God…
…he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began” (Luk 1:68-70, KJV)

YOU NEED SPIRITUAL CONTEXT!

NOT EARTHLY, CULTURAL, HISTORICAL CONTEXT!

But, alas:

“…the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1Co 2:14, KJV)

 

[BreadOfLife]

You still talking to me in here

Let me know when you want to have an intelligent discussion about the topic.
Don't have time for silly games . . .

 

[Muna]

Let me know when you want to have an intelligent discussion about the topic.
Don't have time for silly games . . .

Did you miss post # 3352

I had posted

Since its off topic and I am bored with this already, and since I agree with the scriptures posted (just not with infant baptism) I will leave you to take up this one with someone with more of a desire to go back and forth on it.

Not to mention, I have never heard anything that would change my mind in over thirty five years and I highly doubt something new will emerge to change it here.

So enjoy, moving on.

 

[David Lamb]

I beg to differ.
Here, Paul is talking about the SAME thing . . .

Col. 2:11-12
In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh was put off when you were circumcised by Christ, having been buried with him in BAPTISM, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

But the verses you quoted from Colossians say that the circumcision Paul is referring to is not performed by human hands. Baptism is performed by human hands. For that reason, I say that the circumcision mentioned in Colossians 2:11 is not baptism.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You didn't answer the question. Would belief have been enough to save the jews in that first passover? Did they have to eat the flesh of the unblemished lamb? Believing in the symbolism would have been meaninglessness. Jesus was quite clear and NOTHING elsen were in Scripture says Jesus wasn't speaking literally there.

At the last supper Jesus didn't say believe or have faith, he said this is my body this is my blood. If the bread was just bread and the wine was just wine then the last shooter was just another sedar meal. Jesus death was just another execution.

No they did not have to eat of the lamb. they had to take lambs blood at put it on the doorposts and lentel. this signified Jesus blood saving us and them.

Well the last seder was just another seder and the Lords supper was established as an ordinance for the church to keep.

But once again as all the elements of the Seder were symbols of things to come, Jesus was explaining what a specific pice of pita and what a specific cup of wine symbolized.

At a seder, three pitas were placed in a trifold napking. the bread Jesus took was the middle piece-representing Him as the second person of the trinity. It had to be striped, pierced and unleavened. Just as Jesus had no sin and was striped and pierced for us.

The cup of wine Jesus took and proclaimed HIs blood was the 3rd of 4 cups drank at a seder. It was called the cup of redemption.
from chabad.org

What is the significance of the four cups of wine?​

By Yosef Marcus

G‑d uses four expressions of redemption in describing our Exodus from Egypt and our birth as a nation:1
1. "I will take you out…"
2. "I will save you…"
3. "I will redeem you…"
4. "I will take you as a nation…"

From torah resource:

The First Cup – The Cup of Sanctification

“I am the LORD, and I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians.

The Second Cup — Cup of Deliverance

“I will deliver you from their bondage.”

The Third Cup — the Cup of Redemption

“I will also redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.”

;The Fourth Cup — The Cup of Hope

‘Then I will take you for My people, and I will be your God.”

He was explaining the bread and wine and ther meaning. It was His blood that will be the cup of redemption and His body that was sinless and strpied and pierced for us.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You allege The Church has "false teachings" but if you are practicing what you preach how would you know that? How can YOU know what a false teaching or a true teaching is if YOU are not allowed to interpret the Word? You make no sense....

Catholics are allowed to "seek to understand" Scripture and if you are a former Catholic, you know that is a lie to say they can't seek to understand Scripture.

Thanks for your opinion..........Mary

I do not interpret the Word as understand it as written with all the rules of grammar we know .

I can detect false teaching simpl;y comparing the teaching with Scripture and see if it matches the core principles found in Scripture or not.

Things like purgatory
Mary ever virgin
Mary is sinless
Mary as co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix are anti biblical teachings.

Yes you can seek to understand. IN this day and age that does not mean too much anymore as the roman church has veered often. but if you proclaim an understanding different from Catholic doctrine- you can be excommunicated.

I was faced with a dominican tribunal on the formal charges of heresy for denouncing Mary ever virgin, Mary sinless and purgatory. I had to recant, face the tribunal or leave the church. I chose the latter.

 

[BreadOfLife]

But the verses you quoted from Colossians say that the circumcision Paul is referring to is not performed by human hands. Baptism is performed by human hands. For that reason, I say that the circumcision mentioned in Colossians 2:11 is not baptism.

And again – I be to differ . . .

Circumcision involved the cutting of flesh – by human hands.
Baptism doesn’t require cutting by human hands - or even touching for that matter. The work is done by the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38).

Col. 2:11-12 is absolutely about Baptism . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

II can detect false teaching simpl;y comparing the teaching with Scripture and see if it matches the core principles found in Scripture or not.

Things like purgatory
Mary ever virgin
Mary is sinless
Mary as co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix are anti biblical teachings.

I call "BS" on this post because I have provided you with Biblical arguments for EVERY one of these point.s
YOU responded with your usual game of denial and never provided a Biblical refutation . . .

Why don't you try to actually prove them wrong?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Did you miss post # 3352

I had posted

Since its off topic and I am bored with this already, and since I agree with the scriptures posted (just not with infant baptism) I will leave you to take up this one with someone with more of a desire to go back and forth on it.

Not to mention, I have never heard anything that would change my mind in over thirty five years and I highly doubt something new will emerge to change it here.

So enjoy, moving on.

All conversations evolve.
But I understand if you can't defend your position . . .

 

[Muna]

All conversations evolve.
But I understand if you can't defend your position . . .

If that makes you feel better

 

[Marymog]

I do not interpret the Word as understand it as written with all the rules of grammar we know .

I can detect false teaching simpl;y comparing the teaching with Scripture and see if it matches the core principles found in Scripture or not.

Things like purgatory
Mary ever virgin
Mary is sinless
Mary as co-redemptrix and co-mediatrix are anti biblical teachings.

Yes you can seek to understand. IN this day and age that does not mean too much anymore as the roman church has veered often. but if you proclaim an understanding different from Catholic doctrine- you can be excommunicated.

I was faced with a dominican tribunal on the formal charges of heresy for denouncing Mary ever virgin, Mary sinless and purgatory. I had to recant, face the tribunal or leave the church. I chose the latter.

Lol...OK

YOU can detect false teachings? Have you let your elders and senior pastor know of this gift God has given you?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

Beyond learning the meaning of some words, this framework you present is entirely man made from the carnal minds of men who cannot comprehend the spiritual aspects of scriptures. Men of carnal minds are naturally attracted to these devices in hope of becoming as wise as their carnal minded teachers.



Original intent?

“That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.” (2Ti 3:17, KJV)

Properly translating?

The holy scriptures have been properly translated in the King James Bible.



Again, the scripture did not come from the mind of men, who are influenced by their times and culture. The scripture came from God, who is eternal and is not influenced by times, man’s culture, or any earthly limitations whatsoever:

“Blessed be the Lord God…
…he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began” (Luk 1:68-70, KJV)

YOU NEED SPIRITUAL CONTEXT!

NOT EARTHLY, CULTURAL, HISTORICAL CONTEXT!

But, alas:

“…the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1Co 2:14, KJV)

Good luck kiddo!

 

[Marymog]

The holy scriptures have been properly translated in the King James Bible.

And there it is......Evidence of your bias!

Thank you for your time...........Mary

 

[Marymog]

YOU NEED SPIRITUAL CONTEXT!

NOT EARTHLY, CULTURAL, HISTORICAL CONTEXT!

But, alas:

Lol.........Right.........Right!!

I need spiritual context after quoting 1st century men, but YOU and your ilk have 'spiritual and historical context from your 16th century men........... I sincerely don't know what to say. Ummmm....explain to me how that works? 16th century men have more historical and spiritual context than 1st century men??????????????????????

According to you and your ilk, Historical context be damned. Anything written by men in the 16th century is true........anything written by students of the Apostles should be questioned..........You crack me up Michiah!!

But alas.............Have a blessed day............Mary

 

[Marymog]

All conversations evolve.
But I understand if you can't defend your position . . .

Notice how @Truly ignores and can't defend my post, #3,356 which totally destroys what they/them/he/she's Protestant men has taught them? He/she/they/them has responded to YOU but not to me...............Hmmmm.!!!!

History and Scripture destroy what Truly has been taught!!! But the truth be damned according to truly and he/she/they/them ilk!

Keep up the good fight BOL and exposing these Protestant hypocrites and false teachers...............Mary

 

[Marymog]

But the verses you quoted from Colossians say that the circumcision Paul is referring to is not performed by human hands. Baptism is performed by human hands. For that reason, I say that the circumcision mentioned in Colossians 2:11 is not baptism.

Then you would be wrong about Colossians 2 according to the CONTEXT and ALL of Scripture and Christian History.............

Or does Christian history/teaching start when David Lamb writes his teachings on a nondescript website? All hail Davids teachings?

Curious Mary

 

[Muna]

Notice how @Truly ignores and can't defend my post, #3,356 which totally destroys what they/them/he/she's Protestant men has taught them? He/she/they/them has responded to YOU but not to me...............Hmmmm.!!!!

History and Scripture destroy what Truly has been taught!!! But the truth be damned according to truly and he/she/they/them ilk!

Keep up the good fight BOL and exposing these Protestant hypocrites and false teachers...............Mary

Did you miss my memo in post # 3352 too?

Sure, looks like it,

No, maybe not, wait till I announce I am done then creep in and ask all your insncere questions and pretend I am the coward for not answering while patting one another on the back for a good job

Talk about hypocrital cowards

 

[BreadOfLife]

Notice how @Truly ignores and can't defend my post, #3,356 which totally destroys what they/them/he/she's Protestant men has taught them? He/she/they/them has responded to YOU but not to me...............Hmmmm.!!!!

History and Scripture destroy what Truly has been taught!!! But the truth be damned according to truly and he/she/they/them ilk!

Keep up the good fight BOL and exposing these Protestant hypocrites and false teachers...............Mary

Yup.
Funny how the conversation always becomes "boring" or off-topic the truth stares them in the face . . .