Is it possible to lose salvation?

[GodsGrace]

No , but that WHORE DOES and so do more and more all the time that are seated WITHIN the ecumincal movment .
ITS why i been doing all to get everyone OUT OF IT .
the longer they stay in it , THE WORSE in time they will get .

Please define the ecumenical movement.

 

[GodsGrace]

yes the symbols are something I will study next. I believe most of them are already used in the old testament I will look at them this fall/winter and let you know what I find. it is not an easy task. we just have to remember what is in revelations, once we get closer to the end much will be revealed, I already see potential links to current events and the prophecies within.

Blessings

Sounds good.
I have big problems with the symbols since there are so many interpretations.
Report back!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your lack of understanding even the most basic rules of Grammar is glaringly obvious.

Rev. 12:1 begins with the conjunction "kai" (and) which makes it a new thought, not a connection to teh previous statements. Either you know not grammar or you are being insidiously deceptive.

“The girl's composition was well-written the best in the class. AND so she decided to enter the scholarship contest.”

SAME subject – SAME girl with BOTH sentences . . .

There are two arks, not three. the one of earth is a type of the one in heaven, not of Mary which you romansits conclude opnly through tortuous analogy and human reasoning.

Correct – the Ark on earth and the Ark in Heaven, which is Mary.

Yes I have known for over 50 years there were no chapter headings and verse numbers in Scripture. But you appear to not know how to apply basic rules of language to correctly understand the sentneces that appear.

I just proved you WRONG . . .

You have mistranslated 2 Sam. 6:9. even you romanist bibles do not translate it that way. Mary was present, but the Ark was not- it was missing. and your rehashing the same old analogies do not prove anything other than we can draw some similarities. but we can do the same with many other things that do not make doctrine either.

WRONG.

The Ark was in the home of Obed - in the hill country of Judea for 3 months.
Mary was in the house of Elizabeth - in the hill country of Judea for 3 months.

2 Sam. 6:9
And the ark of the LORD remained in the house of Obed-edom the Gittite three months, and the LORD blessed Obed-edom and all his household.AAs for Ezekiel 44- your misinterpretation of it is not even in this galaxy!!! That was fulfilled long before Mary was even a thought!

AAs for Ezekiel 44- your misinterpretation of it is not even in this galaxy!!! That was fulfilled long before Mary was even a thought!

Then enlighten me.
WHEN and HOW was it fulfilled before Mary if it’s a prophecy that included Jesus??

STrain at gnats ro swallow camels. Joseph is generically mentioned. Mary is mentiond as well as four brothers and at least two sisters. go see a third grader to learn this reality!

NONE of them are listed as the children of Mary.

They are called the Adelphoi of Jesus.

Once again your lack of bible knowledge and lack of grammatic acumen is glaring!!!
None of Jesus relatives were ever Apostles! So the book of James was not written by any of the original 12!
Even you rromanist bibles do not say kinswoman. and here your lack of knowing so little is obvious. At the cross were the following:

Jesus' mother Mary
Mary's sister Salome
Mary the wife of Alpheus
Mary Magdeline.
Once again your reinterpretations fail in light of Gods Infallible Word!!!!!!!!!

WRONG

The women in the above passages are:
- Mary, mother of Jesus

- Mary’s sister/kinswoman (adelphe) Mary, the mother of James the Younger/Less and of Joses and wife of Alphaeus/Clopas

- Mary Magdalene

- Salome (not Mary) is the mother of James and John – wife of Zebedee (Salome (disciple) - Wikipedia)

This “other Mary” is listed as Mary’s “Adelphe”, the mother of James the Less, an APOSTLE (James, son of Alphaeus - Wikipedia).

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome").

STUDY your Bible . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Let me clarify.
The Holy Spirit is alive and well in the baby.
I DID mention the age of accountability.

AT the age of accountability, the child MUST decide for himself as to whether or not he's going to live for God OR NOT.

At this point, the Holy Spirit does become dormant in some sense since He cannot live with the sinful person.
WHEN, if ever, the person decides that he is going to give his life to God,,,THEN the Holy Spirit will resume His function as helper, convictor, etc.

I understand what the priest was trying to say – but I still think it’s a poor choice of words. He is implying that the Holy Spirit is “dormant” until WE make a choice. That’s not true.

We ALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit at Baptism (Acts 2:38). We confirm our faith at the age of reason (Confirmation).

I DO understand your point of how this would only work if OSAS were true...
but, as you've stated, the CC does not teach OSAS (because it's not biblical) so it really had nothing to do with my post to you.

Just to clarify.

IOW, my point is that we have to be careful how we state that every Catholic has the indwelling of the Holy Spirit because they were baptized as a baby.

IF this were true,,,,it would mean that every Catholic is a saved person.

Again – NOT according to Catholic teaching.

The Catholic Church teaches that salvation can be lost – as do the Scriptures (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

Like the verses above attest - we CAN sever our ties with God.
OSAS, as you know is a Protestant invention – not a Catholic belief.

 

[GodsGrace]

I understand what the priest was trying to say – but I still think it’s a poor choice of words. He is implying that the Holy Spirit is “dormant” until WE make a choice. That’s not true.

Bread...
Can't let this go..it's too important.

The Holy Spirit BECOMES dormant AT the age of accountability
UNTIL the person decides to live for God.

Why does the Holy Spirit become dormant at that time?
Because the Holy Spirit CANNOT DWELL in a sinful body.

Just reply to the above please.

We ALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit at Baptism (Acts 2:38). We confirm our faith at the age of reason (Confirmation).

Again – NOT according to Catholic teaching.

The Catholic Church teaches that salvation can be lost – as do the Scriptures (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

Like the verses above attest - we CAN sever our ties with God.
OSAS, as you know is a Protestant invention – not a Catholic belief.

Confirm our faith at age of reason!
Bread...I've taught catechism.
Do you REALLY want to discuss confirmation?
I'm willing.

 

[GodsGrace]

I understand what the priest was trying to say – but I still think it’s a poor choice of words. He is implying that the Holy Spirit is “dormant” until WE make a choice. That’s not true.

We ALL receive the gift of the Holy Spirit at Baptism (Acts 2:38). We confirm our faith at the age of reason (Confirmation).

Again – NOT according to Catholic teaching.

The Catholic Church teaches that salvation can be lost – as do the Scriptures (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

Like the verses above attest - we CAN sever our ties with God.
OSAS, as you know is a Protestant invention – not a Catholic belief.

OK
Even by your words above....
The person SEVERES their tie with God at the age of reason when they decide to live in sin instead of serving God.

 

[LoveYeshua]

to many todays version of GOD is a love that came of this world .
THAT IS A FACT . they want NOTHING to DO WITH GOD OR HIS LOVE , OR HIS TRUTH .
its all about a senusal love that overlooks all sins and even calls good evil and evil good .
I am telling us all , I never seen a delusion like this one
and my how it has now merged more and more to be as one
AND NOW even with the false religoins too . this is a DELUSOIN my friend . ONLY
THANKS be TO GOD i sure seem to notice THE SHEEP aint buying it . but those who love a lie SURE DO .
something is Wrong . and the more i warn the more they call me the hater who KNOWS NOT GOD
or HIS LOVE .
but it is THEY who know not GOD or his LOVE.
cause the last time i checked CHARITY REJOICES ONLY IN THE TRUTH , not lies , not inquity . BINGO . we been duped big time

it is also about people being lovers of themselves above all else;
“But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.” (2 Timothy 3:1-2, NKJV)

 

[LoveYeshua]

Bread...
Can't let this go..it's too important.

The Holy Spirit BECOMES dormant AT the age of accountability
UNTIL the person decides to live for God.

Why does the Holy Spirit become dormant at that time?
Because the Holy Spirit CANNOT DWELL in a sinful body.

Just reply to the above please.


Confirm our faith at age of reason!
Bread...I've taught catechism.
Do you REALLY want to discuss confirmation?
I'm willing.

hello GG, I do not remember seeing this in scripture ; "
"The Holy Spirit BECOMES dormant AT the age of accountability
UNTIL the person decides to live for God."

could you point it out ?

thank you.

 

[GodsGrace]

hello GG, I do not remember seeing this in scripture ; "
"The Holy Spirit BECOMES dormant AT the age of accountability
UNTIL the person decides to live for God."

could you point it out ?

thank you.

Are you being sarcastic??!


Bread and I are discussing infant baptism and how the CC reasons it.
I've taught Catholic doctrine which is why I know about it.

Nowhere in the NT does it state that the Holy Spirit is dormant.

But the church history of infant baptism is very interesting....
but most don't care to know about it or study any early church history.

 

[GodsGrace]

it is also about people being lovers of themselves above all else;
“But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.” (2 Timothy 3:1-2, NKJV)

Agreed.
But
Hasn't it always been this way??

 

[LoveYeshua]

Are you being sarcastic??!


Bread and I are discussing infant baptism and how the CC reasons it.
I've taught Catholic doctrine which is why I know about it.

Nowhere in the NT does it state that the Holy Spirit is dormant.

But the church history of infant baptism is very interesting....
but most don't care to know about it or study any early church history.

come on, why would I be sarcastic with you in particular. No not at all it was simply intrigued.

I do remember my baptism in the Catholic church, still see the face of the priest pouring water on my forehead, i remember also it was out of focus for some reason and that I was afraid and crying...lol. it is rare but I remember certain things from when I was an Infant.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Agreed.
But
Hasn't it always been this way??

I see it is getting much worse than I remember when I was much younger.

 

[amigo de christo]

it is also about people being lovers of themselves above all else;
“But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come:
For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.” (2 Timothy 3:1-2, NKJV)

That my friend is the love of this world for that love is a love that will accept what the flesh loves .
Any guesses on what that might be my friend . SELF , its own sin . And by golly
they will find and search the hills for a god that giveth them that love and the promise of salvation .
Pride .
The flesh loveth what the flesh loveth and it is not in man to direct his steps .
And when a man silences parts of the words Of GOD and of CHRIST that gets in the way of their love
THEY call that a loving god . But unto those who wont sell out the words OF GOD
but use them all and does not pick and choose , they call that man a hater . You touch their sin
and their god of sin , friend they will break your nose and smash your teeth out , IF they could .
I am watching a generation who oftens hollers love TEN FOLD by twenty times a day
and hollers judge not any time a sin is called a sin
BUT friend bring a bible into that camp and use the words of the LORD
and all of a sudden they aint so ready to LOVE YOU or them words , cause GODS WORDS exposes their god and his lies .

 

[amigo de christo]

I see it is getting much worse than I remember when I was much younger.

MUCH WORSE and faster too . Anyone who hollers OH but it has always been this way
AINT SEEING things so clearly .
FOR while its true that sin and evil has always been in the world
and its true that some churches have embraced lies in times past .
FRIEND i aint but fifty three years old .
AND I never in my days and the days of my youth
SEEN ANYTHING like what i am seeing right now . ITS BLOWN UP MUCH WORSE as of late .
Oh its always been like this .
NO it has not . When i went to school we had two genders
Now look at it
When i was a young man in the marines you had sin in the world
but NEVER WAS IT SO HONORED AS IT IS TODAY .
used to be those who praticed sin , hid it in the dark , HECK NOW THEY HONOR IT IN THE STREETS
and if any dares to expose it , he has made himself a prey .
IT IS AS YOU SAY my friend
this world and worse these churches have become as SODOM
they no longer hide their sin , THEY HONOR SIN and now even the very gospel of YE MUST BELEIVE
in CHRIST to be saved is being trod more and more under f oot , BY THE CHURCHES EVEN
for the broad path lie .

 

[amigo de christo]

I see it is getting much worse than I remember when I was much younger.

MUCH WORSE . i repeat MUCH MUCH MUCH WORSE has it become my friend .
I aint never seen anything like it .
On this path this world is one lovey do merged generation that honors sins and unbeleif
Will surely Come against the true sheep that did not conform to what these saw as GOD and LOVE .
ONLY IT WAS SATAN my friend . I never seen such a delusion as this and grow it does by the day now and by the hour .
ON This path THIS WORLD WILL ALSO END . SO let us who are of CHRIST
get up , take our stand upon HIM and do all to contend for the true faith .

 

[amigo de christo]

come on, why would I be sarcastic with you in particular. No not at all it was simply intrigued.

I do remember my baptism in the Catholic church, still see the face of the priest pouring water on my forehead, i remember also it was out of focus for some reason and that I was afraid and crying...lol. it is rare but I remember certain things from when I was an Infant.

fearful and crying . about the only thing you knew at that time was when you belly felt hungry
and perhaps your pampers were full .
IN OTHER WORDS YOU DID NOT KNOW JESUS at all , and YET were baptized .
Aint that something .
Cause water baptism is to be performed ONLY on the born again whose FAITH IS IN JESUS THE CHRIST .
What you were baptized into was a WHORES den . I Dont mince words my friend . SOULS are at stake
and certain places GOTTA be exposed . The ecumincal whore rests not
and has literally taken captive even much of the entire protestant realm
as well as EVEN the false religoins , their imams and etc RIGHT Under her shade .
I never seen anything like it and they all see it as love and of GOD and the broad path to peace n safety .
YEAH rather SUDDEN destruction is the end of that road .

 

[GodsGrace]

come on, why would I be sarcastic with you in particular. No not at all it was simply intrigued.

I do remember my baptism in the Catholic church, still see the face of the priest pouring water on my forehead, i remember also it was out of focus for some reason and that I was afraid and crying...lol. it is rare but I remember certain things from when I was an Infant.

That's pretty incredible LoveYeshua! (about the remembering).

You should know that the baptism is effectual and you SHOULD NOT be required to undergo another baptism....
which my brother was asked to do before joining a particular denomination.

He adhered to their request...I never would have.
We are baptized into the Body of Christ...
NOT into a denomination.

 

[GodsGrace]

I see it is getting much worse than I remember when I was much younger.

I went back and reread your post....

You said:
For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.” (2 Timothy 3:1-2, NKJV)


Here is what has always been the same because human nature just will not change.
LOVERS OF MONEY
BOASTERS
PROUD
BLASPHEMERS
DISOBEDIENT OF PARENTS
UNTHANKFUL

What I DO find that is getting worse is this:
UNHOLY

We are really into an age of atheism.
Parents tend to be atheist and they pass this on to their children.
To say nothing of what is taught in schools....
ideology that, if continued, will ruin society (if it hasn't been already).

 

[LoveYeshua]

I went back and reread your post....

You said:
For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.” (2 Timothy 3:1-2, NKJV)


Here is what has always been the same because human nature just will not change.
LOVERS OF MONEY
BOASTERS
PROUD
BLASPHEMERS
DISOBEDIENT OF PARENTS
UNTHANKFUL

What I DO find that is getting worse is this:
UNHOLY

We are really into an age of atheism.
Parents tend to be atheist and they pass this on to their children.
To say nothing of what is taught in schools....
ideology that, if continued, will ruin society (if it hasn't been already).

Since you were young, how did it change in regards to the church where you live?. Here in Quebec there was a complete abandonment of the catholic church, the main reason is that once people could get in the 50 and 60's a bible in french and not in Latin that that many realized that the church did not follow the words within. Also another reason is that the church were mixed heavily with the politics of the province and were kind of tyrants and dictated everyone what to do and had too much power, if a priest did not like you he could get you arrested by the police and get you to jail. today the churches that remain are empty. the cc needs a profound reform at this time not to adapt to this world but to follow the teachings of Christ. I am omitting a lot of derails of what was going on in the schools not proper to discuss of this here.

 

[amigo de christo]

I went back and reread your post....

You said:
For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy.” (2 Timothy 3:1-2, NKJV)


Here is what has always been the same because human nature just will not change.
LOVERS OF MONEY
BOASTERS
PROUD
BLASPHEMERS
DISOBEDIENT OF PARENTS
UNTHANKFUL

What I DO find that is getting worse is this:
UNHOLY

We are really into an age of atheism.
Parents tend to be atheist and they pass this on to their children.
To say nothing of what is taught in schools....
ideology that, if continued, will ruin society (if it hasn't been already).

THIS is the age we now live in , the unfication of all religoins to beleive a lie .
THIS is all a snare and a set up .
And notice how much they gave credit to JARED KUSHNER
But they did forget to give the main credit to the main ones
who brought in the abraham peace accords .
BUT i suppose if they did that , THEY would be exposed and it would be seen
who they been working for all along .
Pope francis DID MORE on this stuff than any other pope known to man ,though others surely did work on it .
THAT IS who is b ehind this . They are deceiving us all . And people are chanting this be the way to PEACE n safety .
DO keep that in mind please .
FOR when they shall be saying peace n safety , Something very unexpectedly cometh upon them .
I can see by grace exactly who this has led them too and the very day it will lead them too as well .
THIS is not good . we must abandon this interfaith ecumenical stuff
And we must do the preaching OF JESUS and all sound doctrine while there still be time to do so .