Is Jesus “The Angel of the Lord?”

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Is Jesus “The Angel of the Lord?”


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Nowhere in Scripture are angels ever referred as "sons of God". Sons of God are human, not spirit beings. God tells us in Hebrews that Christ did not take on the seed of angels, but the seed of Abraham, a man. Because it was flesh & blood mortal humans Christ became one with them that they might be eternally saved through Him.

Heb 2:10 ¶ For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Heb 2:14 ¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17
Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

God tells us that he at any time did not say to any of them they are begotten through His Son. The angels of God worship Him, being made spirits, sent as ministering spirits to minister "for them who shall be heirs of salvation."

Hebrews 1:5 (KJV) For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
Heb 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14
Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Angels are never called sons/children of God, because angels of God have never fallen, and do not need a Saviour, which is why Christ came in the form of mankind, and not in the form/nature of the angels of God in heaven; spirits.

Gen 6:2 - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among themto present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
 

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Gen 6:2 - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Gen 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 1:6 - Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

Job 2:1 - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among themto present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Where do we find the sons of God in these verses are spirit beings called angels? Show a single verse to prove God calls spirit beings, called angels of God, sons/children.
 

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Where do we find the sons of God in these verses are spirit beings called angels? Show a single verse to prove God calls spirit beings, called angels of God sons/children.
Job 2:1 - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among themto present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Obviously Sons of God refers to angels in these verses. Also in Genesis 6 the sons of God are angels who took wives of the daughters of men, otherwise there would be no need to indicate that the wives were humans
 

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Job 2:1 - Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among themto present himself before the LORD.

Job 38:7 - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Obviously Sons of God refers to angels in these verses. Also in Genesis 6 the sons of God are angels who took wives of the daughters of men, otherwise there would be no need to indicate that the wives were humans

There was a time before the flood when men began to call upon the name of the LORD. That time according to Ge 4:26 was when a son, Enos was born to Seth. Seth was the son born to Adam & Eve to replace their son Abel whom Cain killed.

Genesis 4:26 (KJV) And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

The sons of God in Ge 6 would be all who called upon the name of the LORD. Even though they were called sons of God who called upon the name of the LORD, they did not remain faithful to God. For when they began to multiply and daughters were born unto them, these sons of God turned away from God and made marriages with daughters of men. Since the sons of God are those in the days of Seth who called upon the name of the LORD, who are the daughters of men born unto them?

Genesis 6:1-2 (KJV) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

I believe a strong argument can be made for the daughters of men belong to the seed of Cain. Because the punishment of God to Cain was according to God's curse upon him. Cain was destined to be a fugitive and vagabond upon the earth, being driven out and the face of God hidden from him.

Genesis 4:16 (KJV) And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Genesis 4:17 (KJV) And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Though the Bible makes no specific mention of daughters born through the line of Cain, there would be no lineage without daughters. I believe the daughters of men, the sons of God took for themselves belonged to the seed of Cain, who never called upon the name of the LORD, as the sons of Seth, who are the sons of God did.

Even though the Law regarding intermarrying of believers to unbelievers was not yet written, the Bible speaks of God as being the same from beginning to end. The reason there was to be no intermarrying between those who called upon the name of the LORD, and those who had been driven out, (daughters of men) and the face of God hidden to them has always been to keep the blood line pure and undefiled through spiritual compromise and spiritual adultery. Yet we read that is exactly what was happening before the flood, and in fact is the reason God sent the flood to destroy every breathing creature upon the face of the earth, sparing only those eight souls who were safe in the Ark.

Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Ge 6:6
¶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Ge 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

The giants born through sons of God and daughters of men are called men of old, men of renown. They existed both before and after the flood. So thinking these giant men of renown are the product of fallen angels mating with woman of flesh forces contradiction and confusion. The Bible portrays angels as sexless spiritual beings whose identity and function are centered on worship and service to God.
 

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There was a time before the flood when men began to call upon the name of the LORD. That time according to Ge 4:26 was when a son, Enos was born to Seth. Seth was the son born to Adam & Eve to replace their son Abel whom Cain killed.

Genesis 4:26 (KJV) And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

The sons of God in Ge 6 would be all who called upon the name of the LORD. Even though they were called sons of God who called upon the name of the LORD, they did not remain faithful to God. For when they began to multiply and daughters were born unto them, these sons of God turned away from God and made marriages with daughters of men. Since the sons of God are those in the days of Seth who called upon the name of the LORD, who are the daughters of men born unto them?

Genesis 6:1-2 (KJV) And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

I believe a strong argument can be made for the daughters of men belong to the seed of Cain. Because the punishment of God to Cain was according to God's curse upon him. Cain was destined to be a fugitive and vagabond upon the earth, being driven out and the face of God hidden from him.

Genesis 4:16 (KJV) And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.

Genesis 4:17 (KJV) And Cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

Though the Bible makes no specific mention of daughters born through the line of Cain, there would be no lineage without daughters. I believe the daughters of men, the sons of God took for themselves belonged to the seed of Cain, who never called upon the name of the LORD, as the sons of Seth, who are the sons of God did.

Even though the Law regarding intermarrying of believers to unbelievers was not yet written, the Bible speaks of God as being the same from beginning to end. The reason there was to be no intermarrying between those who called upon the name of the LORD, and those who had been driven out, (daughters of men) and the face of God hidden to them has always been to keep the blood line pure and undefiled through spiritual compromise and spiritual adultery. Yet we read that is exactly what was happening before the flood, and in fact is the reason God sent the flood to destroy every breathing creature upon the face of the earth, sparing only those eight souls who were safe in the Ark.

Ge 6:4 ¶ There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Ge 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Ge 6:6
¶ And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Ge 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

The giants born through sons of God and daughters of men are called men of old, men of renown. They existed both before and after the flood. So thinking these giant men of renown are the product of fallen angels mating with woman of flesh forces contradiction and confusion. The Bible portrays angels as sexless spiritual beings whose identity and function are centered on worship and service to God.
It says and also after that.
Gen 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sonsof God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same becamemighty men which were of old, men of renown.

It happened again after the flood and the book of Jude explains what God did to stop it from happening again.
Jde 1:6 - And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation,he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jde 1:7 - Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner,giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example,suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
 
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I don't believe this is what we find in the OT, because "an angel of the LORD" is also associated with "the angel of the LORD". In Judges 2:1 I don't think there should be any doubt that an angel of the LORD refers to God. Whether an epiphany for Christ or the Father, makes no difference. Manoah especially leaves little room to doubt that an angel and the angel of the LORD both refer to God.

Judges 2:1 (KJV) And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you.

Jg 6:11 ¶ And there came an angel of the LORD, and sat under an oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abi-ezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites.
Jg 6:12 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour.

Jg 6:22 And when Gideon perceived that he was an angel of the LORD, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an angel of the LORD face to face.
Jg 6:23 And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.

Jg 13:20 For it came to pass, when the flame went up toward heaven from off the altar, that the angel of the LORD ascended in the flame of the altar. And Manoah and his wife looked on it, and fell on their faces to the ground.
Jg 13:21 But the angel of the LORD did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an angel of the LORD.
Jg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God.
Yeah, you are probably right. I guess the point is that "angel of the Lord" can refer both to the Divine Christ or an ordinary angel
 
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It says and again after that. It happened again after the flood and the book of Jude explains what God did to stop it from happening again.

Are you referring to this passage from Jude where we read men of faith must contend earnestly for the faith because many false believers have crept in among them to destroy the saints (church)? Jude reminds them they once knew this and reminded them again that these deceivers, ungodly men who deny the Lord were already ordained to condemnation.

Jude 1 ¶ Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
Jude 2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
Jude 3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

By way of reminding them Jude speaks of the messengers of God, not angels but humans. These are sons of God of Old not only in the days before the flood, but also those men reserved in everlasting chains under darkness to await the great judgment day. Just as men of Sodom and Gomorrha, who gave them over to fornication also reserved for vengeance of eternal fire. Jude calls these men dreamers who defile the flesh, despise dominion and speak evil against God and His saints.

Jude 6 And the angels [messengers] which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 8 ¶ Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude refers them to brute beasts, corrupting themselves, who have gone the way of Cain, and greedily the error of Balaam. But like these men of Old these too will perish from the earth in due season. Jude tells us that Enoch, preached of these men, saying the Lord will come with ten thousand of his saint. They are ungodly men of flesh and blood, not spirits called angels of God. Jude ends this letter reminding the saints to remember the words spoken by the apostles of Christ, who repeatedly warn us to guard the flock of God, watch and pray, and to separate ourselves from those who have not the Spirit of Christ.

Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jude 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jude 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jude 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jude 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Jude 14 (KJV) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 15 ¶ To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
 

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Are you referring to this passage from Jude where we read men of faith must contend earnestly for the faith because many false believers have crept in among them to destroy the saints (church)? Jude reminds them they once knew this and reminded them again that these deceivers, ungodly men who deny the Lord were already ordained to condemnation.

Jude 1 ¶ Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
Jude 2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
Jude 3 ¶ Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jude 4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jude 5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

By way of reminding them Jude speaks of the messengers of God, not angels but humans. These are sons of God of Old not only in the days before the flood, but also those men reserved in everlasting chains under darkness to await the great judgment day. Just as men of Sodom and Gomorrha, who gave them over to fornication also reserved for vengeance of eternal fire. Jude calls these men dreamers who defile the flesh, despise dominion and speak evil against God and His saints.

Jude 6 And the angels [messengers] which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
Jude 7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
Jude 8 ¶ Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Jude refers them to brute beasts, corrupting themselves, who have gone the way of Cain, and greedily the error of Balaam. But like these men of Old these too will perish from the earth in due season. Jude tells us that Enoch, preached of these men, saying the Lord will come with ten thousand of his saint. They are ungodly men of flesh and blood, not spirits called angels of God. Jude ends this letter reminding the saints to remember the words spoken by the apostles of Christ, who repeatedly warn us to guard the flock of God, watch and pray, and to separate ourselves from those who have not the Spirit of Christ.

Jude 9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Jude 10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
Jude 11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
Jude 12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Jude 13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
Jude 14 (KJV) And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 15 ¶ To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
Jude 16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.
Jude 17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
Jude 18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
Jude 19 These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
No, read my edited post. You didn’t address what is meant by also after that.
 

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No, read my edited post. You didn’t address what is meant by also after that.

Angels in Jude is not reference to spirit beings. Angels in Jude refers to the sons of God, (humans) who were 'messengers' of God preaching men to "call upon the name of the LORD." It is not spirit beings called angels who "kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." This is reference to sons of God, translated angels because angel is defined 'a messenger of God.' These men kept not their first estate when they turned away from God, leaving the habitation in the heavenly/spiritual realm. It is they, like the men of Sodom and Gomorrah that are reserved in darkness waiting for the day of judgment.

Angel - G32 - ἄγγελος ángelos, ang'-el-os
from ἀγγέλλω angéllō (probably derived from G71; compare G34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

For whatever unknown reason almost everywhere this Greek word 'angelos' has been translated to English, is 'angel'. But this Greek word was also translated 'angel' when speaking of mortal humans. Why? Because 'angelos' can be a human messenger of God, and I believe in most instances where we find this word translated angel, should have been 'messenger', and context would tell us whether it refers to spirit beings (angels, devils, Satan) or human beings (saints, John the Baptist) who are called to be MESSENGERS of God.

Angels in Jude only make sense and take away contradiction and confusion when we understand Jude was not writing of angels of God (spirit beings), rather he wrote of human messengers of God, called to preach that man should call upon the name of the LORD.
 

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Angels in Jude is not reference to spirit beings. Angels in Jude refers to the sons of God, (humans) who were 'messengers' of God preaching men to "call upon the name of the LORD." It is not spirit beings called angels who "kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." This is reference to sons of God, translated angels because angel is defined 'a messenger of God.' These men kept not their first estate when they turned away from God, leaving the habitation in the heavenly/spiritual realm. It is they, like the men of Sodom and Gomorrah that are reserved in darkness waiting for the day of judgment.

Angel - G32 - ἄγγελος ángelos, ang'-el-os
from ἀγγέλλω angéllō (probably derived from G71; compare G34) (to bring tidings); a messenger; especially an "angel"; by implication, a pastor:—angel, messenger.

For whatever unknown reason almost everywhere this Greek word 'angelos' has been translated to English, is 'angel'. But this Greek word was also translated 'angel' when speaking of mortal humans. Why? Because 'angelos' can be a human messenger of God, and I believe in most instances where we find this word translated angel, should have been 'messenger', and context would tell us whether it refers to spirit beings (angels, devils, Satan) or human beings (saints, John the Baptist) who are called to be MESSENGERS of God.

Angels in Jude only make sense and take away contradiction and confusion when we understand Jude was not writing of angels of God (spirit beings), rather he wrote of human messengers of God, called to preach that man should call upon the name of the LORD.
No, it makes perfect sense that angels means angels
 

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No, it makes perfect sense that angels means angels

Actually angel means 'messenger' and in the Hebrew angel translated from mălʼâk, is also defined - H4397 - from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically, of God, i.e. an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher):—ambassador, angel, king, messenger.

This is an example from both the Old and New Testaments to prove angelos and malak from the Greek & Hebrew languages can and should often be translated messenger and let the context determine whether the messenger in view is human or spirit being.

Malachi 3:1 (KJV) Behold, I will send my messenger, [mălʼâk] and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.

Mt 11:10 For this is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger [ángelos] before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
Mt 11:11 Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.
 

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I’ve heard this from many people, including pastors in sermons make this claim. What do you believe and what makes you believe it since it is not explicitly stated in Scrioture?

At the same time, I‘ve observed Christians mock JW for naming the precarnate angel, Micheal.
Hi Brother Wranger, Great question. Well, this is part of what you are asking- only a view:
Tuesday, 7-7-26, 3rd. Day Of The Weekly Cycle, Tammuz 21, 5786, 17th. Summer Day

Matthew 1:23

MATTHEW 1:23 KJV Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel,...

Matthew 1:23 KJV: Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
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Matthew 1:23 Context​


20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. 21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. 22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, 23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. 24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: 25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Below every verse are links; if left-clicked on is the context of that verse, if interested;

Matthew​

Chapter 1​


The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

2Abraham begat Isaac; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Judas and his brethren;

3And Judas begat Phares and Zara of Thamar; and Phares begat Esrom; and Esrom begat Aram;

4And Aram begat Aminadab; and Aminadab begat Naasson; and Naasson begat Salmon;

5And Salmon begat Booz of Rachab; and Booz begat Obed of Ruth; and Obed begat Jesse;

6And Jesse begat David the king; and David the king begat Solomon of her that had been the wife of Urias;

7And Solomon begat Roboam; and Roboam begat Abia; and Abia begat Asa;

8And Asa begat Josaphat; and Josaphat begat Joram; and Joram begat Ozias;

9And Ozias begat Joatham; and Joatham begat Achaz; and Achaz begat Ezekias;

10And Ezekias begat Manasses; and Manasses begat Amon; and Amon begat Josias;

11And Josias begat Jechonias and his brethren, about the time they were carried away to Babylon:

12And after they were brought to Babylon, Jechonias begat Salathiel; and Salathiel begat Zorobabel;

13And Zorobabel begat Abiud; and Abiud begat Eliakim; and Eliakim begat Azor;

14And Azor begat Sadoc; and Sadoc begat Achim; and Achim begat Eliud;

15And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob;

16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

17So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.

18Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.

20But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

24Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:

25And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

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Nowhere in Scripture are angels ever referred as "sons of God".
Disagree.

ManKIND was not yet created when the Earth was being established

Job 38:
[4] Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
[5] Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
[6] Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
[7] When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Glory to God,
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Don't forget Jesus' Name "Immanuel" in Isaiah, which per Matthew 1:23 defines as "God with us".
How can we forget when you're around to remind us, thank you very much.

Let's also not forget furthermore the person behind that name, 'Immanuel', having ot
her names as well.

Isaiah 9:
6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a Son is given: and the government shall be upon His shoulder: and His name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


On earth, the king will remain on the throne holding the sceptre as sole ruler of one's kingdom and people.

And his son as the prince seated beside at his right hand, shall remain as an observer and leaner, and takes instructions from the father time to time.

Until and when the father King dies, the son will be the successor to take over the throne, sceptre and reside as King from then on.

And so the story goes on from generation after genration with various changes either ending up good or bad.

But in the Kingdom of Heaven there's no death, there's no changes, there's no shifting from generation after generation taking over and so on.

For the FATHER, and the Son and the Holy Ghost, and the Kingdom and the spiritual people there remain the same, live forever and eternal.

The FATHER and Son are one with each other, identitical with one another, equal in power and equally heirs of all things.


In other words, if you've seen and been with the Son in person, you've seen the FATHER who is SPIRIT, invisible, who art in Heaven and in secret.

Though being in the form of GOD the FATHER, yet the Son is subjected to the FATHER, as the Son on His own thought it not robbery to be equal with the FATHER .

Amazing grace!
 
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Nowhere in Scripture are angels ever referred as "sons of God".
Genesis 6:
2. That the sons of GOD (angels) saw the daughters of men (man) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

1 Peter 3:
19. By which also He went and preached unto the spirits
(same angels) in prison:
20. Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of GOD waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


Please read carefully, thank you very much
 
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Seems the sense of angel is at issue:
  • A species of heavenly being
  • A messenger from God
I tend to defer to the first sense because when it is a man, we tend to use another word, prophet.

Prophet is not defined from the Greek word angelos as messenger is. In the days of Old God gave the nation Prophets to declare unto them whatever God ordained should come to pass. Their message commanded by God is written, that we too might hear them speak the oracles of God. Jesus also being called a prophet.

Prophet is a foreteller for God and inspired speaker who speaks a message given them from God. But a messenger defined from angelos, sent from God, is sent with the specific task of bearing witness for the Kingdom of God through Christ. Where we find messenger(s) in the New Testament it has always been defined from angelos, which can be a human or spirit messenger, or defined from the Greek word apóstolos, which is a human delegate; specially, an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ ("apostle") with miraculous powers.
 

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Genesis 6:
2. That the sons of GOD (angels) saw the daughters of men (man) that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

1 Peter 3:
19. By which also He went and preached unto the spirits
(same angels) in prison:
20. Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of GOD waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.


Please read carefully, thank you very much

The sons of God who are humans not angels, are indeed the spirits in prison of these same human sons of God, (not angels) but who were disobedient in the days of Noah. When we include more context, we learn these spirits long ago dead in the flood, before death heard the preaching about God through God's Spirit who was with righteous Noah. The Spirit of God was with Noah, and it was through His Spirit that Noah preached. Now they (human sons of God) are spirits in prison waiting for the day of judgment when they shall be called to stand before God to give account of their lives. They were disobedient in the days of Noah when through longsuffering God waiting for Noah to prepare the ark. After death they are spirits in prison, not among the spirits of just men who are now with the Lord in heaven after the resurrection of Jesus.

Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
Joh 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

1Pe 3:18 ¶ For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
1Pe 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
1Pe 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21 ¶ The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1Pe 3:22 Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Since Jesus has resurrected from the grave, defeating death for all who are born again through His Spirit, the gates of heaven are opened, Christ has come and prepared the way for us. None could go into the Kingdom of God in heaven, spiritually alive until after Christ made atonement for sin and defeated death. Now, believers, through Christ's Spirit in us are with Christ in heaven "the spirits of just men made perfect." When our body is dead and buried, we, as spiritual body ascend to heaven living souls to wait for the Kingdom of God in heaven to be complete and Christ comes again.

Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

2Co 5:6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord:
2Co 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions:
if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?

1 Corinthians 15:44 (KJV)
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

The spirits of mankind after physical death returns to God who gave it. Since the first advent of Christ every man's spirit will return to God in silence and darkness through unbelief, or it shall return to God a living soul who died having been born again by grace through faith.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.