Is Jesus Christ a Socialist?

[Yehren]

You're making it too hard for yourself. There's no magic decoder, no esoteric wisdom required. Just listen to Jesus:

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Matthew 22:36 Master, which is the greatest commandment in the law? [37] Jesus said to him: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind. [38] This is the greatest and the first commandment. [39] And the second is like to this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. [40] On these two commandments dependeth the whole law and the prophets.

Matthew 25:31 And when the Son of man shall come in his majesty, and all the angels with him, then shall he sit upon the seat of his majesty. [32] And all nations shall be gathered together before him, and he shall separate them one from another, as the shepherd separateth the sheep from the goats: [33] And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on his left. [34] Then shall the king say to them that shall be on his right hand: Come, ye blessed of my Father, possess you the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. [35] For I was hungry, and you gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave me to drink; I was a stranger, and you took me in: [36] Naked, and you covered me: sick, and you visited me: I was in prison, and you came to me.

It's so simple, and yet so hard for people to accept. No secret code, no "in club", no "my sin is nicer than your sin." It's just what He tells you it is. Go and do it, and you will be saved. You have His word on it.

 

[Stumpmaster]

I made a video discussing my thoughts on if Jesus is a socialist. Let me know what you think of my arguments down below, and what do you think? Is Jesus a socialist? What evidence do you have that He is or is not?

Hi KingdomInCulture.
Thanks for the videos. They are well done. You have expressed your thoughts well and used appropriate Scriptures.

I have a Christian friend who once stood unsuccessfully for election to our Parliament as a member of the now defunct Christian Heritage Party. He has now done a 180 and insists Christians have no business engaging in politics, given that Christ said His Kingdom was not of this world.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Given that the parables are earthly stories with heavenly meanings intended to teach us how God wants us to further His Kingdom, not man's, we should refrain from using them to achieve political goals, not that you are doing this, of course, but unregenerate humanity does try to twist Scriptures to suit its goals, one of which is socialism, whether by gradual evolution through democratic deception, or by climactic revolution through authoritarian artifice.

Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him (unregenerate humanity at its zenith) to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 

[Yehren]

Given that the parables are earthly stories with heavenly meanings intended to teach us how God wants us to further His Kingdom, not man's, we should refrain from using them to achieve political goals, not that you are doing this, of course, but unregenerate humanity does try to twist Scriptures to suit its goals, one of which is socialism, whether by gradual evolution through democratic deception, or by climactic revolution through authoritarian artifice.

Yes. God neither needs nor wants government assistance.

 

[Behold]

I made a video discussing my thoughts on if Jesus is a socialist. Let me know what you think of my arguments down below, and what do you think? Is Jesus a socialist? What evidence do you have that He is or is not?

Classical Marxism, .. was created based on 3 verses taken from the Acts of the Apostles.

What Marx didnt understand was that the greed of man, will never do this perfectly, and mostly never at all.
This is why Marxism, - Communism, can never work.
It will always fail.

Whereas Capitalism, even tho its also a greed inducing situation.......is based on WORK and Achievement, and that lifts the person to pursue excellence if they do it correctly, without trying to take short cuts.


Here are the Marxism verses.

'""""""""And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any of them that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

35 And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need."""

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32 Now the company of believers was of one heart and soul, and not one [of them] claimed that anything belonging to him was [exclusively] his own, but everything was common property and for the use of all.

34 There was not a needy person among them, because those who were owners of land or houses were selling them, and bringing the proceeds of the sales

35 and placing the money down at the apostles’ feet. Then it was distributed to each as anyone had need.

 

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[Scott Downey]

I don't think socialism as a fully articulated economic philosophy was around during Jesus' times. There are, however, certain aspects of modern-day socialism that were commented on by Jesus.

Not a socialist, Jesus is an authoritarian king, as in supreme ruler, but loving and benevolent to His people as everything He does is for their good

 

[Scott Downey]

Do people understand that socialist-communist rulers in the world rule as despotic kings?
Examples abound, such as Stalin, Kim Jung Un, Mao. Their words are the law.

 

[Scott Downey]

John 15:6
If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

John 3
27 John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing unless it has been given to him from heaven. 28 You yourselves bear me witness, that I said, ‘I am not the Christ,’ but, ‘I have been sent before Him.’ 29 He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly because of the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease. 31 He who comes from above is above all; he who is of the earth is earthly and speaks of the earth. He who comes from heaven is above all. 32 And what He has seen and heard, that He testifies; and no one receives His testimony. 33 He who has received His testimony has certified that God is true. 34 For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God does not give the Spirit by measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hand. 36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

Matthew 3
4 Now John himself was clothed in camel’s hair, with a leather belt around his waist; and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then Jerusalem, all Judea, and all the region around the Jordan went out to him 6 and were baptized by him in the Jordan, confessing their sins.

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “Brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance, 9 and do not think to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I say to you that God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones. 10 And even now the ax is laid to the root of the trees. Therefore every tree which does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit [a]and fire. 12 His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”

Luke 19

The Parable of the Minas​

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately. 12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return. 13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’ 14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

 

[Scott Downey]

From the testimony of a wicked servant, who feared his master's judgments, and it was true, you should fear God, but you should also do good with what He has allowed you to have.

21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man.

22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow

austere - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Adjective​

austere (comparative austerer or more austere, superlative austerest or most austere)

1. Grim or severe in manner or appearance. Synonyms: stern, strict, forbidding, ascetic; see also Thesaurus:stern
   The headmistress was an austere old woman.
2. Lacking decoration; trivial; not extravagant or gaudy. Synonyms: simple, plain, unadorned, unembellished; see also Thesaurus:unadornedAntonyms: overwrought, flamboyant, extravagant, gaudy, flashy; see also Thesaurus:gaudy
   The interior of the church was as austere as the parishioners were dour.
3. Adhering to the economic policy of austerity.
4. Harsh; astringent.

 

[HealthyShape]

Socialism as a form of government or as the management of the state economy is unknown to the Bible, but the first church' finances were based upon equality:

13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality.
14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality,
15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”
2Cor 8:13-15

 

[Scott Downey]

various versions on that word austere, strict, severe, tough, doesn't suffer fools gladly, exacting, demanding, hard, straight

KJV
And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
AKJV
And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow:
LSB
He *said to him, ‘From your own mouth I will judge you, you worthless slave. Did you know that I am a strict man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow?
LEB
He said to him, ‘By your own words I will judge you, wicked slave! You knew that I am a severe man, withdrawing what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow.
TLB
‘You vile and wicked slave,’ the king roared. ‘Hard, am I? That’s exactly how I’ll be toward you! If you knew so much about me and how tough I am,
MSG
“He said, ‘You’re right that I don’t suffer fools gladly—and you’ve acted the fool! Why didn’t you at least invest the money in securities so I would have gotten a little interest on it?’
MEV
“He said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth will I judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an exacting man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow.
MOUNCE
He said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, wicked servant. You knew, did you, that I am an exacting man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow?
NOG
“The king said to him, ‘I’ll judge you by what you’ve said, you evil servant! You knew that I was a tough person to get along with. You knew that I take what isn’t mine and harvest grain I haven’t planted.
NABRE
He said to him, ‘With your own words I shall condemn you, you wicked servant. You knew I was a demanding person, taking up what I did not lay down and harvesting what I did not plant;
NASB
He *said to him, ‘From your own lips I will judge you, you worthless slave. Did you know that I am a demanding man, taking up what I did not lay down, and reaping what I did not sow?
NASB1995
He *said to him, ‘By your own words I will judge you, you worthless slave. Did you know that I am an exacting man, taking up what I did not lay down and reaping what I did not sow?
NCB
“The master said to him, ‘I will condemn you by your own words, you wicked servant. You knew I was a hard man, taking out what I did not put down, and reaping what I did not sow.
NCV
Then the king said to the servant, ‘I will condemn you by your own words, you evil servant. You knew that I am a hard man, taking money that I didn’t earn and gathering food that I didn’t plant.
NET
The king said to him, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked slave! So you knew, did you, that I was a severe man, withdrawing what I didn’t deposit and reaping what I didn’t sow?
NIRV
“His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you evil slave! So you knew that I am a hard man? You knew that I take out what I did not put in? You knew that I harvest what I did not plant?
NIV
“His master replied, ‘I will judge you by your own words, you wicked servant! You knew, did you, that I am a hard man, taking out what I did not put in, and reaping what I did not sow?
GNT
He said to him, ‘You bad servant! I will use your own words to condemn you! You know that I am a hard man, taking what is not mine and reaping what I have not planted.
GW
“The king said to him, ‘I’ll judge you by what you’ve said, you evil servant! You knew that I was a tough person to get along with. You knew that I take what isn’t mine and harvest grain I haven’t planted.

EXB
Then the king said to the servant, ‘I will ·condemn [judge] you ·by your own words [L from your mouth], you ·evil [wicked; or worthless] servant. You knew that I am a ·hard [harsh; demanding; severe] man, taking ·money that [L out what] I didn’t ·earn [L put in]and ·gathering food that [L harvesting what] I didn’t ·plant [sow].
GNV
Then he said unto him, Of thine own mouth will I judge thee, O evil servant. Thou knewest that I am a straight man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow.

 

[quietthinker]

Is Jesus Christ a Socialist?​

Hmmmm, if the premise is based on 'is it biblical' we have a conundrum.
For sure Jesus is social according to the bible and we could also say without a doubt, genocide is also biblical. (I wanna know who favours the genocidal God?, I know Jack does) or isn't there enough courage amongst all the wordsmiths?

So how are we going to use the 'biblical' to support our particular preference? It appears the Israelis favour the genocidal side of things with American administrative support in the supply of weapons and ideology.

Some argue that being too social wont make enough money for the industries which thrive on destructive inventions coupled with the 'christian' persuasion of 'Israel', by certain biblical views, are the chosen people....and therefore unashamed barbarism and blaming is approved of.

I prefer the angle of a social Jesus who revealed God's character as never before. He reveals a God who is prepared to die rather than kill irrespective of the many head jobs and 'biblical' proof texting which abounds. It puts any denominational and commonly held 'biblical' view to shame with most in my view, missing the objective.

Jesus reveals to me a God who is generous in forgiving my sins and yours, not holding them against us while making it clear that 'what you have done to the least, you have done it to me. I wonder if that qualifies as 'socialism'?

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Just so readers can get an idea of what is being asked.

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