Is Jesus God

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Thunder1)
Ricky:Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: Please, coherence what i'm asking with those verse.Wallaahu a'lam.Thunder1:That there is only one God.God Bless,Thunder1
From my viewing regarding on the verse above, was state that : Jesus(pbuh) [i.e. considered God by Christian] was has God. So that's why i'm asking no.1 question. And he also said that, our God is one Lord, which what i get from that statement is Jesus(pbuh) has God which is the same with the Jews. And because of that, I'm asking Question no.2. And because i'm sure that Jews was not, worshiping Jesus(pbuh) as God, then I ask question no.3.I don't know thunder1, why seems like not only you have difficulties to answer this, event when i asking to my country Christian, they used left behind it, and start to talk another topic. Well it's only in my place

, but i believe you don't

.Wallaahu a'lam.

 

[Simple]

Dear Jag, Peace be upon You.Thankyou for the references. Just out of curiosity, may I ask, if these references are from the old testament or the new one ?(thesuperjag;32221)
Lord Jesus Christ did tell us that He is God. Let Let me ask you a question to every Muslim. Do you have enough faith to believe what Jesus Christ says in the scripture? Can you believe in Him who can not tell a lie to you?Jag
Indeed I have the faith to believe in Jesus, however, I do not think that Jesus would have ever encouraged to have blind faith. If such was the case, then every one in this world following his own beliefs has the right to blindly follow whatever he has learn't. But ofcourse, this is not what Jesus preached. Instead, He taught us, what we knew not. He did not ask us to blindly follow His religion. He made people understand His religion. Thus, my point being, that faith increases with knowledge and knowledge comes with understanding. In order to understand, the intellects require reasoning. And so I would like to read the reasoning behind this belief. Perhaps a discussion would do, if you or anyone else is interested. Or maybe a summarised explanation for me to read.Be blessed.

 

[Jordan]

(Simple;32501)
Dear Jag, Peace be upon You.Thankyou for the references. Just out of curiosity, may I ask, if these references are from the old testament or the new one ?Indeed I have the faith to believe in Jesus, however, I do not think that Jesus would have ever encouraged to have blind faith. If such was the case, then every one in this world following his own beliefs has the right to blindly follow whatever he has learn't. But ofcourse, this is not what Jesus preached. Instead, He taught us, what we knew not. He did not ask us to blindly follow His religion. He made people understand His religion. Thus, my point being, that faith increases with knowledge and knowledge comes with understanding. In order to understand, the intellects require reasoning. And so I would like to read the reasoning behind this belief. Perhaps a discussion would do, if you or anyone else is interested. Or maybe a summarised explanation for me to read.Be blessed.
The most interesting thing here is, Lord Jesus Christ never created a religion. Truth can never be a religion.The reference I showed are clearly New Testament. Even the Old Testament that He is God.Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Who was born of a vigin? Christ. What is He? God.Jag

 

[Ricky W]

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag)
The most interesting thing here is, Lord Jesus Christ never created a religion. Truth can never be a religion.The reference I showed are clearly New Testament. Even the Old Testament that He is God.Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.Who was born of a vigin? Christ. What is He? God.Jag
Does the whole chapter 9 in Isaiah would be fit to Jesus(pbuh) as God ?Wallaahu a'lam.

 

[His By Grace]

Hi, Ricky. Have you gotten saved yet? I've been praying for you. It was rather strange because as I was praying for you Sunday in church, another Ricky went up to receive salvation! Isn't that wonderful? I think it is so neat that you won't give up probing for those answers on whether or not Jesus was/is God. How could anyone other than God rise from the dead? How could anyone other than God live a sinless life? How could anyone other than God tell others things about themselves that He shouldn't know because he had never met them? Who else can read people's minds so accurately and then actually heal them? How can a mere prophet or man do this? Believers today can only do this through the endwelling of the Holy Spirit. So, it's still God and Jesus at work using human hands. Why do you fight against what you will find out to be true one day? Why don't you give in like the others you know and accept the peace like you can never know as a Muslim. Even if those you spoke of aren't genuine, you can be. You don't answer for them; just yourself. Love in Christ,HBG

 

[EzrahEl21]

God The Father , Then You Have Humanity As His Children , And The Holy Ghost Are The AngelicBeings , You Are Useing 1John 5 ; 7 As If It Is Authentic When In Fact It Has Been Proven To Be A Distorted Scripture Nor Does It Exist In Any Of The Original Manuscripts I Don't Try To Discredit AnyThing Or AnyOne I Just State The Facts , And I Am Only Interested In The Facts . To Answer Your Question . When The Bible Was In Its Original Language Of Aramaic ( Hebrew ) Arabic And Galilean Arabic , The Verse 1John 5 ; 7 , That Has Become The Foundation For The 3 Beings In 1 Concept Called The Trinity DID NOT EXIST , It Also DID NOT EXIST IN GREEK , The Distortion With The Onset Of The Roman Catholic Church The Roman Catholic Inserted The Trinity Verse When They Translated The Bible From Greek To Latin I Purposely Said '' Inserted '' And Not '' Translated '' Because , As I've Already Said The Original Greek Did Not Have This Verse . HowEver , You Will Find Some Greek Translation Have Either The Whole Trinity Verse Or Only A Portion Of It , 1John 5; 7 Is Surround In Controversy Because There Are Two VersionsOf This Verse Your Bibilical Scholars Say 1John 5; 7 . That Is Used In Most Bibles Today . Is Either Not The Origian Verse . Or They Say That Its Only Partially Genuine . There Have Been Many Arguments Between Scholars On This Subject When In Fact There Shouldn't Be Any Arguments Because The Original Aramaic And The Greek Manuscripts Don't Have This :study:

 

[EzrahEl21]

1John 5 ; 7 , In It . The Problem Is They Really Don't Want To Admit That The Trinity Really Has No Basis In The Teaching Of Yashua , Making The Trinitarian Churches And Any Other Sect That Believe In This 3 In 1 Concept Obsolete , FurtherMore , In The Ancient Eastern Manusripts By George M Lamsa Which Is A Bible That Is Translated From The Original Aramaic And Syriac Language On Page 1222 , In 1John 5 ; 7 , You Will See That The Orginal Verse Says This ;...Original Verse And The Spirit Testifies That That Very Spirit Is The Truth Mistraslation This is he who came by water and blood , even Jesus Christ , not by water only , but water and blood , And theSpirit testifies that that very Spirt is the truth . And there are three to bear witness the Spirit and , the water and the blood ; and these three are one , Now , When You Read 1 John 5 ; 7 In Your Standard Bible , You Will Read This , 1John 5 ; 7 For there are three that bear , Record in heaven , the father , the Word , and the holy ghost ; And these three are one . Do You See How The Verse Were Distorted ? They Are Both 1John 5 ; 7 , But They Don't Say The Same Thing ! That's Because In Your Standard Or Revised Edittion Bible , You Will Find The Original , Verse 5; 7 Has Been Actually Pushed Up To Merge With Verse 5; 6 . Now LQQk At 1John 5 ; 6 Below '' This is he that came by water and , Blood , even Jesus Christ ; not by Water only , but by water and Blood And It Is The Spirit That Beareth Witness Because The Spirit Is Truth '' ;...The Underlined Segment Is Really The Original 1John 5 ; 7 By Combining The Original Verse 5 ;6 And 5 ; 7 Together , This Left Verse 5 ; 7 Made It Conviently Free To Insert The False '' Trinity '' Verse . Just In Case You Think I Made This Up . Clarke's Commentary Also States That In The Very Early Bibles , This Verse Didn't Exist Clarke's Commentary Says This About 1John 5 ; 7 ;... '' But It Is Likely This Verse Is Not Genuine . It Is Wanting ( Missing ) In Every M .S . ( Manuscript ) Og This Epistle Written Before The Invention Of

 

[EzrahEl21]

Printing . One Expecyed . The Condex Montfortii , In '' Trinity College , Dublin ; The Others Which Omit , This Verse Amount To One Hundred And Twelve . It Is Wanting ( Missing ) In Both The Syriac . All The Arabic , Ethiopic , The Coptic , Sahidic .Armenian , Slavonian , In A Word , In All The Ancient Versions . But The Vulgate And Even Of This Version Many Of The Most Ancient And Correct , MSS . Have It Not .. It Is Wanting ( Missing ) Also In All Ancient Greek Father , And In Most Even Of The Latin So What About Those Who Say A Portion Of The Quote Is True , Then There Are Those Scholars Who That Only Part Of This Quote Is Genuine Once Again , Let's Go Back To 1John 5 ; 7 In Your Standard Bible . , The Father , The Word , And The Holy Ghost , And These Three Are One > The Underlined Part Of This Quote Is The Part That Your So - Called Scholars Say Is Genuine . Some Bibles Are Equipped With Notes And Small Commentaries To Help You OverStand The Verses You Are Reading . If You Have Such A Bible . It Will Most Likely Say The Same Thing . For Instance , On Page 1776 In The Ryrie Study Bible It Says ; Verse7 For there are three that bear record in heaven , The father the word , and the Holy Ghost and these three are one . Commentary 5 ; 7 - 8 Should end with the word record The remander of Verse 7 And part of Verse 8 , Are Not In Any Ancient Greek Manuscript . Only In Later Latin Manuscripts . Now , They Say Verse 7 And Verse 8 Is Only Partially Genuine . There Are Even Some Greek Translation That Also Supports This Version , But That's Because They Were Translated From English Back Into Greek 1John 5 ; 7 Was Just Another Way To Confuse And Add Another False Sect And Belief . It Is One Of Those Things That Are Kept Quiet Because That Would Be The End Of Some People's Faith And That Is Something That People Who Promote Religion For A Profit Can't Afford To Do .