Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

[Episkopos]

Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole world? Yes, He is Saviour of both Jew and Gentile.........of those who are willing.

Willing to accept a religious proposition, you mean. This is not biblical at all. Jesus rejects people who have a dubious character, not wanky beliefs. Beliefs register to God like opinions. Faith, on the other hand, overcomes sin and walks with God in holiness. He rejects the religiously smug. He accepts the meek.

You conveniently ignore most of the bible, based on character and behaviour in favour of a religious ideology scheme that Jesus rejects.

What I see is that over time, unless one is properly taught, people become more and more religious, Pharisaical, and deny God's mercy to others whom Jesus died for.

There is a lot of rot to scrape out of the minds of many. It is far wiser to repent and fear the Lord, while there is still time to do so.

 

[Lizbeth]

Everyone skips verse 18...............[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."...............the ones not condemned are the ones who only believe on his name. Not the cross here just his name. Christ hadnt gone to the cross yet. To believe on his name was to believe Jesus was the Christ, the Son of God. This is what Israel had to believe...................[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.". Jesus only saved his people Israel........................[Matthew 1:21 KJV] "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."...............[Matthew 15:24 KJV] "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."..............Jesus doesnt say he was sent to save the world.

What wasnt revealed until Paul was that Christ saved us all

Jesus came FIRST to the Jew, then the Gentile. Why did the gospel then go the Gentiles? Because Israel rejected it. All part of God's purposes based on His foreknowledge. Romans 11:11...."through their fall salvation is come to the Gentiles".

Peter received that revelation from the Lord too, about the Gentiles being included, not just Paul. Acts 11.

 

[Lizbeth]

Willing to accept a religious proposition, you mean. This is not biblical at all. Jesus rejects people who have a dubious character, not wanky beliefs. Beliefs register to God like opinions. Faith, on the other hand, overcomes sin and walks with God in holiness. He rejects the religiously smug. He accepts the meek.

You conveniently ignore most of the bible, based on character and behaviour in favour of a religious ideology scheme that Jesus rejects.

What I see is that over time, unless one is properly taught, people become more and more religious, Pharisaical, and deny God's mercy to others whom Jesus died for.

There is a lot of rot to scrape out of the minds of many. It is far wiser to repent and fear the Lord, while there is still time to do so.

For someone to talk of the new birth that way, it makes me think it's likely because they have not experienced it. Receiving Christ, the Lord of Heaven no less, to live within us, who miraculously turns our life around, writes His laws on our hearts, translates us from darkness to light and makes us into a new creature........is not "a religious proposition", and whoever is saying that needs to be careful that they are not blaspheming and treading the indescribable gift of God underfoot and treating it as a light thing.

What happens after one receives Him is the question though.....how we respond to the many dangers, toils and snares along the way...trials and testings, willingness to count the cost, etc, etc.

 

[shepherdsword]

The Gentiles werent given the law or the covenants, Gentiles werent under the convent. This verse can be limited to Israel, that doesnt nullify the Gentiles being saved. The Gentiles were saved in Acts 10 by Peter preaching the name of Christ for their salvation. Gentiles are saved by believing Paul's gospel of Christ

The Jews and the Gentiles are saved by the same gospel

 

[shepherdsword]

Yes what he said was plain as day but to understand this verse it cant be isolated from other scripture. You are saying he saved all both Jew and Gentile. ..... [John 1:11 KJV] "He came unto his own, and his own received him not.".................... Jesus came to Israel, not the Gentiles.................[Matthew 1:21 KJV] "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.",,,,,,,,,,,,this verse doesnt say he shall save the world, only his people Israel..................[Hebrews 9:15 KJV] "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."...........this verse doesnt say he redeemed the trespasses of the world, he redeemed the trespasses Israel committed under the first/old testament

All we need to understand is that Jesus was sent to the world

 

[Lizbeth]

The gospels are differemt
Peter preached salvation by believing on his name. Gentiles did believe this in Acts 10, but they werent in the body of Christ they were part of the Jerusalem church, the believing remnant of Jews and they will enter the earthly kingdom
Israel didnt receive Christ so the kingdom was delayed.
Israel rejected Paul's gospel so Paul turned to the Gentiles

It was to the JEWS Jesus was speaking when He said that His kingdom is not of this world and cometh not with observation that we may say lo here it is, or there. They were mistakenly expecting an earthly messiah/king to rule earthly Israel and the world in an earthly kingdom....and Jesus was instructing them and correcting that wrong belief. That was one big reason why they rejected Him....they couldn't let go of their earthly utopian expectations......how they were interpreting OT scripture with the carnal mind without the Holy Spirit. Jesus refused to be crowned King of Israel when the people tried to crown Him. It is the very thing that the devil tempted Him with in the desert as well.

There is only one gospel....the good news that Christ has died for the sins of the world, both Jew and Gentile and that one is saved by faith in Him, both Jew and Gentile. That is "THE" gospel. How can there be two gospels? There is only ONE WAY to be saved. And it is THAT gospel which tears down the wall of partition between Jew and Gentile and makes one new man out of the two. The bible also says there is no difference between Jew and Gentile spiritually speaking.....there is neither Jew nor Gentile in the kingdom of heaven....and now we know no man after the flesh any longer.

 

[Lizbeth]

[John 18:36 KJV] "Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.".............it's ok but Jesus was talking to Pilate not Jews. What he was saying to Pilate was that his kingdom wasn't of this world/ if it was his servants would fight so he could rule..................
[Mark 10:25 KJV] "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God."................in this passage Jesus is talking about the earthly kingdom of God in which he will rule the nations for a thousand years
[Mark 10:28 KJV] "Then Peter began to say unto him, Lo, we have left all, and have followed thee."
[Mark 10:29 KJV] "And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's,"
[Mark 10:30 KJV] "But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life."...............Here and unto Pilate Jesus said his kingdom was not of this world, it was the world to come/the millennial kingdom, this kingdom will be an earthly kingdom.

Luk 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The world/age to come will be eternal....because it is heavenly/spiritual, not earthly:

Mar 10:30
But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

Luk 18:30
Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

Eph 3:21
Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

We are in the millennial rule of Christ now, in this age, and His kingdom is within/among His people. It is by faith, not by sight. Jesus said to the Jews that if He by the finger of God heals the sick and casts out devils, then the kingdom has come to you.
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[shepherdsword]

Please show me scripture when Peter preached the cross for salvation

Ac 10:38-43
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, (great commision)and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

 

[Episkopos]

Ac 10:38-43
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, (great commision)and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

I don't think that many understand the depth of the gospel and the power available to us by the faith of Christ.


Take the last statement from Acts 10:43. "whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."

The believing INTO Him is not about human beliefs, it is about a gift of faith through grace that transports us/translates us into the kingdom realm of the Spirit to walk where Jesus is. Jesus is the DOOR into the kingdom realm where we walk with God...totally FREE of sin...in His holiness.


And that brings us to the last part of the statement...receiving the "remission" (aphesis : freedom) of sins. Jesus came to set us FREE from sin and it's power over us. He did not come just to forgive us but to empower us to be where He is.

A very brief study will show the amazing depth and power of the gospel...but one requires faith, honesty, humility and a little reading skill....since the bias in the modern religious culture is tilted far away from the truth. And this in order to lower the standard of Christ to let the wicked, proud, arrogant, and faithless into the churches. As in....go into all nations and fill pews???? And then...lower the standard of Christ to make carnal people feel comfortable. (not to mention the money and prestige that a popular movement brings)

 

[shepherdsword]

Peter was not preaching the cross here. Please read carefully what he preached..........[Acts 10:43 KJV] "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."..........Peter didnt say we have remission/forgiveness of sins by the cross, but it was by through his NAME. Israel had to believe on his name; to believe on his name was to believe he was the Christ, the Son of God

Look carefully, this is preaching the death on the cross, his resurrection and salvation by faith. It also connects the great commission to this message. You are VERY confused.

Ac 10:38-43
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. And he commanded us to preach unto the people, (great commision)and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

You need to do a study on what it means to be "in the name" of any authority. It means by their power, by their deeds and by their word. In the above verses we see the gospel preached to the gentiles.

 

[shepherdsword]

You said Look carefully, this is preaching the death on the cross, his resurrection and salvation by faith.

[Acts 10:39 KJV] "And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:".............Does Peter say Jesus hanged on a tree and died for our sins as Paul does? Peter is just stating he was hanged on a tree; Peter says nothing to indicate we would have any salvific benefit from it.
[Acts 10:40 KJV] "Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;".............Did Peter say he was raised for our justification as Paul does? Peter did say what the resurrection accomplished...........[Acts 2:30 KJV] "Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;"............Peter preached Christ was raised to sit on David's throne in the earthly kingdom on earth promised Israel. Christ's resurrection gave Israel assurance that he was alive and would fulfill the promise of the Kingdom.
[Acts 10:43 KJV] "To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins."............Did Peter preach we have forgiveness of sins by faith in his blood for the remission of sins as Paul does? Peter preached the remission (forgiveness) of sins through the NAME of Christ. Israel had to believe on the name of Jesus, they had to believe he was the Christ, the Son of God for eternal life..............[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. "..

You fail reading comprehension.

 

[shepherdsword]

I don't think that many understand the depth of the gospel and the power available to us by the faith of Christ.

I am not sure I do either brother. It seems that one can only discover what God reveals.

 

[Episkopos]

I am not sure I do either brother. It seems that one can only discover what God reveals.

We are to seek first the kingdom... until we find ourselves walking in an eternal realm of life, peace, and eternal love in a miraculous supernatural light. God wants to give us His rest, but our attitude, surrender and faith are required.

He gives grace to the humble.

Coming up on the podcast is a step by step deep dive into spiritual growth in Christ. I'm thinking of calling it "Reviving Biblical Christianity". There is so much to lay out that it will take 5 episodes, by the look of it. What I have been working on is a chart...a map...that has overlays and that shows the dual nature of God's ways....through the double-edged sword of His Word.

Peace <><

 

[ShineTheLight]

A very brief study will show the amazing depth and power of the gospel...but one requires faith, honesty, humility and a little reading skill....since the bias in the modern religious culture is tilted far away from the truth. And this in order to lower the standard of Christ to let the wicked, proud, arrogant, and faithless into the churches. As in....go into all nations and fill pews???? And then...lower the standard of Christ to make carnal people feel comfortable. (not to mention the money and prestige that a popular movement brings)

Such things were prophesized by Christ, the apostles, and the prophets. There's going to be a separation between the real and the fake.

 

[shepherdsword]

We are to seek first the kingdom... until we find ourselves walking in an eternal realm of life, peace, and eternal love in a miraculous supernatural light. God wants to give us His rest, but our attitude, surrender and faith are required.

He gives grace to the humble.

Coming up on the podcast is a step by step deep dive into spiritual growth in Christ. I'm thinking of calling it "Reviving Biblical Christianity". There is so much to lay out that it will take 5 episodes, by the look of it. What I have been working on is a chart...a map...that has overlays and that shows the dual nature of God's ways....through the double-edged sword of His Word.

Peace <><

Isa 40:31 But they that wait (kaw' Vaw) upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.
wait =(those that bind and braid themselves into the Lord)

 

[Rotsen777]

Do you think one can obey the Lord without knowing they are doing so? As in...When did we see you and serve you? Inasmuch as you did it to the least of these My brethren... (Matt 25 sheep and goats judgment)

My answer is YES! Do you know that God speaks to you every day, without you knowing it?

 

[DJT_47]

Yes if you believe and are baptized into the body of Christ

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe;

 

[Episkopos]

Yes if you believe and are baptized into the body of Christ

Mk 16:15-16

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe;

The "add-on" to the Gospel of Mark refers to
the "Longer Ending" (Mark 16:9–20), widely considered by scholars to be a 2nd-century addition rather than part of the original text. It was likely added to provide a more satisfactory conclusion, as the original text ends abruptly at 16:8 with the empty tomb and fearful silence.

 

[Rotsen777]

I dont know why all the verses were removed, but maybe they didnt like this verse.....................[Mark 16:18 KJV] "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.".......These signs couldn't be produced like tongues can be mimicked

Don’t know if you know Jim Jones [Peoples Temple - (1955 - 1978)] in reference to Mark 16:18.

 

[amigo de christo]

You fail reading comprehension.

its known as reading the scrips through a twisted and teaching that came of men , Not GOD .
That is why many often do twist things and cannot see the simple truth .