Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?

[Beebster]

Jesus didn't say that. He said that few will be able to enter into the kingdom. Many, however, will be saved. Who do you think the saints will rule over in the next age?

He, apparently, thinks the saints will be sitting around a huge bonfire singing Kumbaya.

 

[Rotsen777]

The Spirit of Life is in all of us. Without out it you would be dead.

Man was created with a spirit that makes the body move, walk, talk, etc. The Spirit of Life is God Himself, the Almighty God, whose name is Jesus.

I assume you consider yourself a Christian; a follower of Jesus Christ.

Yes, I am definitely a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is our Pastor and Teacher, across all generations.

Heres what the Word of God, Jesus Christ teaches us.

Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I IN HIM the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

John 15:5 is a biblical verse; the bible is not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ alone is the Word of God, not the bible.

Yes and again he is the Word of God.

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself, real and forever living.

The Bible won't teach you the truth unless you have Holy Spirit to guide you.

The Holy Spirit does not come unless you come first to Jesus and become an obedient follower of the Lord.

You have it reversed.

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Eph 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and IN YOU ALL.

You’re picking the wrong biblical passages for you to inherit eternal life. Not unless you come and follow Jesus until the end, salvation will not come to you.

Thus saith the Lord:

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”

 

[Rotsen777]

and you wonder why i keep telling you and others to get back into the bible .

What????? Why do you tell me and others to get back into the bible; could we inherit salvation and eternal life in the bible? Did the Lord Jesus teach His disciples to go to the scriptures for them to have life everlasting with God?

GO and look at what you told me .
You wrote
why dont I ignore those who teach another gospel that saves no one .

True! Does the gospel, per se, save our souls? What and who saves our souls from damnation in the hell of fire?

Now go to and read what GOD told a church
that was doing what you told me to do . to ignore and allow one to seduce his people .
I have this AGAINST YOU
you are ALLOWING that false prophetess to teach and to seduce MY PEOPLE .

You’re equating a biblical passage as if it were the Lord God; isn’t that a bibliolatry, a kind of idolatry? The bible, fyi, is not God!

And yet you just asked me to do that .
NOPE . i expose them all . No harlot will be allowed to seduce the peoples on my watch .

The people on your watch!!!!! Who appointed you to watch them for what?

i see false doctrine , by grace i WILL expose both it and he or she who teaches it .

And if hating false doctrine makes me seem as a hater , then OPEN the bible

Why do we have to open the bible for anything spurious, in your perception?

THIS you have , that you hATE the deeds of the nicolations , WHICH I ALSO HATE .
AND you WONDER WHY i keep trying to get you all back into the scriptures . your being led astray my friend .
Now lets get back into the scriptures to learn and to be refreshed , be in prayer .

Let’s come and call on the real and forever living Christ Jesus for the truth, salvation, and eternal life, which the scriptures, absolutely, can’t give to us. Jesus is always beside us, though we do not yet see Him. Shall we?

 

[Beebster]

Man was created with a spirit that makes the body move, walk, talk, etc. The Spirit of Life is God Himself, the Almighty God, whose name is Jesus.


Yes, I am definitely a follower of the Lord Jesus Christ, who is our Pastor and Teacher, across all generations.

John 15:5 is a biblical verse; the bible is not the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lord Jesus Christ alone is the Word of God, not the bible.

The Lord Jesus Christ Himself, real and forever living.

The Holy Spirit does not come unless you come first to Jesus and become an obedient follower of the Lord.

You’re picking the wrong biblical passages for you to inherit eternal life. Not unless you come and follow Jesus until the end, salvation will not come to you.

Thus saith the Lord:

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.”

Sounds like you got it all figured out. Enjoy your time on this forum.

 

[Jack]

Jesus didn't say that.

Jesus didn't say what???

Matthew 7:14
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

He said that few will be able to enter into the kingdom. Many, however, will be saved. Who do you think the saints will rule over in the next age?

You didn't quote Jesus, I did.

 

[Episkopos]

and you wonder why i keep telling you and others to get back into the bible .
GO and look at what you told me .
You wrote
why dont I ignore those who teach another gospel that saves no one .
Now go to and read what GOD told a church
that was doing what you told me to do . to ignore and allow one to seduce his people .
I have this AGAINST YOU
you are ALLOWING that false prophetess to teach and to seduce MY PEOPLE .
And yet you just asked me to do that .
NOPE . i expose them all . No harlot will be allowed to seduce the peoples on my watch .
i see false doctrine , by grace i WILL expose both it and he or she who teaches it .
And if hating false doctrine makes me seem as a hater , then OPEN the bible
THIS you have , that you hATE the deeds of the nicolations , WHICH I ALSO HATE .
AND you WONDER WHY i keep trying to get you all back into the scriptures . your being led astray my friend .
Now lets get back into the scriptures to learn and to be refreshed , be in prayer .

Here is something that shallow religionists like yourself will never understand......that unless one believes INTO Jesus (to be where He is), one does not have eternal life.

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes into me should not abide in darkness.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:46-48

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes into me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12

 

[Jack]

Here is something that shallow religionists like yourself will never understand......

How utterly ironic indeed!

 

[Marvelloustime]

and you wonder why i keep telling you and others to get back into the bible .
GO and look at what you told me .
You wrote
why dont I ignore those who teach another gospel that saves no one .
Now go to and read what GOD told a church
that was doing what you told me to do . to ignore and allow one to seduce his people .
I have this AGAINST YOU
you are ALLOWING that false prophetess to teach and to seduce MY PEOPLE .
And yet you just asked me to do that .
NOPE . i expose them all . No harlot will be allowed to seduce the peoples on my watch .
i see false doctrine , by grace i WILL expose both it and he or she who teaches it .
And if hating false doctrine makes me seem as a hater , then OPEN the bible
THIS you have , that you hATE the deeds of the nicolations , WHICH I ALSO HATE .
AND you WONDER WHY i keep trying to get you all back into the scriptures . your being led astray my friend .
Now lets get back into the scriptures to learn and to be refreshed , be in prayer .

@amigo de christo

 

[Rotsen777]

Here is something that shallow religionists like yourself will never understand......that unless one believes INTO Jesus (to be where He is), one does not have eternal life.

I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believes into me should not abide in darkness.
And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejects me, and receives not my words, hath one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. John 12:46-48

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believes into me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father. John 14:12

Thus saith the Lord God Jesus Christ:

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.”

 

[MostlyConfused]

I think fundamentalist extremists abound because no thought or balance or any depth whatsoever is applied to the reading of the bible. People tend to get stuck in one extreme view or the other...missing the point of God's word entirely.

Jesus said...Without Me you can do nothing

So religious people will read that as ... no good can come of anyone who is not a Christian.

But that's not what Jesus is saying at all. What He is saying is that without Him nothing ETERNAL can be done...and that is mainly a criticism of Christians...not the world. Most believers today operate in the flesh primarily or even exclusively. So their works will be burned up....and they will be saved as by fire and made into vessels of dishonour excluded from God forever into outer darkness.

Instead of realizing the warning is for believers, not the world, the religiously duped ones will say that Jesus is condemning non-believers in support of the religious egos that identify themselves with all the good sounding verses.

This is terrifying. It will be better for Sodom on that day. I’m not even sure what I mean by that.

 

[JustMe]

This is terrifying. It will be better for Sodom on that day. I’m not even sure what I mean by that.

Believers who are saved today possess the spirit of Christ, and the Father, and produce fruits of the spirit appropriate for the Kingdom in the present time.

However, not all actions are carried out in Christ by believers, nor do they remain in Him constantly; some are done with selfish intentions in mind and heart, failing to fulfill God's will. A believer is already aware of these actions in their life and understands that they will not be rewarded for them. These works are effectively "burned up" as soon as they are conceived and carried out, never to have significance in the Kingdom life of a saved person today.

1 Corinthians 3:15 teaches that believers can experience the burning of their works now, rather than waiting for a future day of judgment. The "fire" mentioned in this passage is often understood as divine judgment, refinement, or God's examination during a believer's earthly life.

Testing of Works: The passage uses the metaphor of building materials (gold, silver, wood, hay) to symbolize the quality of a believer's service.
Present Burning: Some interpretations suggest that when believers serve with motives or methods that do not align with the Gospel (such as "wood, hay, and straw"), those works are "burned" or made worthless immediately by God’s refining fire.


Loss of Reward: Although the believer is saved, the loss of these worthless works is experienced either immediately or gradually throughout the Christian journey, resulting in that type of life without eternal significance.

Saved as Through Fire: The phrase "saved, but only as through fire" indicates a narrow escape, where the individual is preserved but has failed to build only a few things or nearly nothing enduring for the Kingdom during their lifetime. This applies to nearly all believers who ever lived and those pf today or tomorrow.

Therefore, the burning of works is not a future event but is truly present reality during their life today, where God exposes and removes the temporary elements of a believer's service. And in the next life, believers, knowing some of their fruits are false, already know and expect this outcome and will not be surprised. They wished they had abided consistently in Christ as their true earthly lifestyle, in their Kingdom life, and not living as a hobby life of service for God.

And as for the comparison of Sodom on that Day,..it is a warning for non-believers. Believers possess Christ already.

The statement emphasizes that greater privilege entails greater responsibility. Since Sodom was destroyed for its sins without having witnessed the Messiah’s direct ministry, its judgment is considered less severe than that of the towns like Capernaum, which had direct access to Yeshua's teachings and miracles but chose to reject them, and thus remained unbelievers.

I hope this helps clarify a few things for you.