Is punishment in hell eternal?

[Vindicated]

Is punishment of the soul in Hell eternal?Mattew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.kill (G615){1) to kill in any way whatevera) to destroy, to allow to perish2) metaph. to extinguish, abolisha) to inflict mortal death

to deprive of spiritual life and procure eternal misery in hell/* (im a bit confused by the concordanance, it says its a metaphor for eternal misery in hell, BUT the rest of the meanings mean to destroy or perish) */}// end killdestroy (G622){1) to destroya) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin

render uselessc) to killd) to declare that one must be put to deathe) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hellf) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed2) to destroya) to lose}// end destroy/* Confused here. Does this mean that God literally will destroy the soul (G5590) or is it a metaphor for hell and eternal torment? */Relelation 20:14-15And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death./* Notice how it says have their part? Does that mean after they serve some sentence they will cease to exist? So my point is, do these souls get destroyed? Or do these people burn forever? Am i taking the word destroyed in the wrong context? insight here? */

 

[Jordan]

(Vindicated;50175)
Is punishment of the soul in Hell eternal?Mattew 10:28And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.kill (G615){1) to kill in any way whatevera) to destroy, to allow to perish2) metaph. to extinguish, abolisha) to inflict mortal death

to deprive of spiritual life and procure eternal misery in hell/* (im a bit confused by the concordanance, it says its a metaphor for eternal misery in hell, BUT the rest of the meanings mean to destroy or perish) */}// end killdestroy (G622){1) to destroya) to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin

render uselessc) to killd) to declare that one must be put to deathe) metaph. to devote or give over to eternal misery in hellf) to perish, to be lost, ruined, destroyed2) to destroya) to lose}// end destroy/* Confused here. Does this mean that God literally will destroy the soul (G5590) or is it a metaphor for hell and eternal torment? */Relelation 20:14-15And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.Revelation 21:8But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death./* Notice how it says have their part? Does that mean after they serve some sentence they will cease to exist? So my point is, do these souls get destroyed? Or do these people burn forever? Am i taking the word destroyed in the wrong context? insight here? */
Second death (Revelation 20:14) is the death of the soul. It will ceased to exist, just like when flesh dies first (human body) it will cease to exist...There is no such thing as a burning forever in Hell.

 

[Vindicated]

so the second death is killing the soul and literally ceasing to exist?

 

[Christina]

(Vindicated;50178)
so the second death is killing the soul and literally ceasing to exist?
Yes you have it there is no exsitence without a soul a spirit w/soul is our true state it is What 1 Cor. 15 say we all be changed to, that incoruptabele body, it is the state we were in when God foreknew us. This spirit body is incoruptable but the soul can still die if God choose'sOnce that spirit's soul has been killed it cease's to exist. This is the fate of Satan. Now that is not say there is no punishment or what some call hell(or burning in hell) but it only lasts till the the End of miliineium (age)then those condemed die the second death.That is ceaseing to exist. Then there is a New heaven and New earth without sin.

 

[treeoflife]

"Is punishment in hell eternal"
Yes it is.

 

[Vindicated]

thankyou for all of the documented proof treeoflife....

 

[Jordan]

Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

 

[treeoflife]

(Vindicated;50188)
thankyou for all of the documented proof treeoflife....
Oh, I didn't want to debate about it, I just wanted to share what I knew

You're welcome!

 

[Vindicated]

Since im looking for the truth can you (treeoflife) post some verses to back up your belief? All i have found supports the death of the soul.

 

[Christina]

Not to speak for treeoflife I know where he gets it just think most today dont understand thiswhy I do not believe the Bible says HELL IS FOREVER and you can decide for yourself what is true.Lets start with John:3:16 which is the heart and crux of The Gospel. (six, key verses of Scripture dealing with Heaven and Hell).VERSE ONE "FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLDHE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THAT WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM SHALL NOT PERISH BUT HAVE EVERLASTING LIFE."Perish or everlasting life". . . I don't see JESUS saying, "Burning in Hell For Ever vs Everlasting Life, do you? "Perish" seems to mean destruction and the word perish in Greek is Apollymi and means total destruction.VERSE TWO "DO NOT FEAR THOSE WHO CAN ONLY KILL THE BODY BUT FEAR GOD WHO CAN DESTROY YOUR BODY AND SOUL IN HELL."(Matt:10:28).This verse spoken by JESUS seems to clarify JN:3:16 as to what it means to "perish". We are told that in Hell, GOD can destroy both your body and soul.People who are cast into Hell (Mt:10:28) are not burning for all of eternity. There comes an end to their torment, A Finality, the destruction of both body and soul in hell. VERSE THREE 9 "And the third angel followedsaying with a loud voice, "If anyman worships The Beast and his Image and receives his mark inhis forehead or right hand, 10 "The same shall drink of the Wrath of God, poured out upon the world, and he shall be Tormented with fire and brim-stone (hell) in the presence ofthe holy angels and The Lamb 11 "and the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for everand ever and they shall have No rest day or night, who worshipsThe Beast and receives the Markof his name." (Rev:14:9-11) During The Tribulation, God will send His Angels to give mankind the Final Warning, that "all who take the mark of The Beast (and worship Satan) will be tormented in Hell, and the smoke of their toment acsendeth up for ever and ever and they shall have no rest day or night."This verse seems to say that "HELL IS FOREVER". But what about the other two Gospel verses we just read? What about Jn:3:16 and Matt:10:28 where Jesus said, "Our soul and body can be destroyed (perish) in Hell?" Does The Bible contradict itself? Not at all because we still have eight chapters left in Revelation.VERSE FOUR13 "And the sea gave up the deadwhich were in them; and death andHell delivered up the dead which were in them and they were judgedaccording to their works." 14 "And death and Hell wereCast into the Lake of fire.This is the Second Death. 15"And whosoever was not found written in the book of lifewas cast into the lake of fire."(Rev:20:14-15)."And Death and Hell will deliver up their dead". The Bible is clear as day! People will not burn in Hell For EverThen "Death and Hell were cast into the Lake of Fire" = which is called The "Second Death". this represents The COMPLETE DESTRUCTION OF A PERSON- (BODY)-SOUL- SPIRIT = TOTAL DISINTEGRATION.VERSE SIXAnd I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the firstearth were passed away And the sea was no more.(Rev:21:1)Now we see the "heavens and earth" itself (along with Death and Hell) cast into the lake of Fire a dimensional lake of Fire, hotter than anything imaginable.Hell Is Not Forever After All. Look at that! People suffer for their sins in this subterranean Place of Darkness and Flames, then they are cast into The LAKE OF FIRE = The Second Death and are no more.What about Rev:14 that says "Those who take the mark of The Beast shall be tormented forever, night and day?"1- well night and day is relative as it involves time and space. If God destroys the "heavens and earth" (the universe) then time, night and day, will cease to exist.2- The smoke of their torment, the literal smoke and screams of those who suffer and burn in HELL will echo thruout the universe for all eternity or until again, the universe is destroyed.This concept of SOUL DISINTEGRATION is consistent with YHWH GOD'S nature of Love and Mercy. JESUS taught us, Blessed are the merciful for you shall obtain mercy." Should not the Mercy of God far exceed our own?TOTAL SOUL DISINTEGRATION has a sad note, that many people are so proud and wicked, they must be DISINTEGRATED, just as if they never even existed. Yet God still uses the wicked to work good, so their existence upon earth had some value after all. Final Note: In Rev:20:13, We again see those in Hell delivered up from Hell and stand before God where as "their works in life are judged". I believe here too, YHWH GOD will give those souls (who suffered in hell's torment for 1000 years) A LAST CHANCE to repent and make Heaven.Why would a GOD of Love and Mercy allow people to literally burn forever in extreme torment? This is not only inhuman it would be more what we expect from a Book of Satan and how the Devil treats those who reject him.It seems contradictory, almost schziophrenic to tell a person, "God loves you wants to bring you to Heaven. But if you reject Him, He will burn you in Hell Fire for all of eternity. But He loves you."True, YHWH GOD gave mankind free will and we have the right and ability to choose God's Savior or reject Him. We also have the free will to do good to our fellow man or prey upon others for our own pleasure and greed.Ultimately we do choose our destiny be it Heaven or Hell. But since none of us asked to be born into this world and face the choice of Heaven or Hell, it seems Merciless, Brutal and Sadistic of God to condemn people (who reject Salvation) TO BURN IN TORMENT FOR ALL OF ETERNITY! And even though many religions teach this doctrine I donr believe scripture supports it nor the Nature of God allows for it.

 

[RaddSpencer]

(kriss;50200)
Why would a GOD of Love and Mercy allow people to literally burn forever in extreme torment? This is not only inhuman it would be more what we expect from a Book of Satan and how the Devil treats those who reject him.It seems contradictory, almost schziophrenic to tell a person, "God loves you wants to bring you to Heaven. But if you reject Him, He will burn you in Hell Fire for all of eternity. But He loves you."True, YHWH GOD gave mankind free will and we have the right and ability to choose God's Savior or reject Him. We also have the free will to do good to our fellow man or prey upon others for our own pleasure and greed.Ultimately we do choose our destiny be it Heaven or Hell. But since none of us asked to be born into this world and face the choice of Heaven or Hell, it seems Merciless, Brutal and Sadistic of God to condemn people (who reject Salvation) TO BURN IN TORMENT FOR ALL OF ETERNITY! And even though many religions teach this doctrine I donr believe scripture supports it nor the Nature of God allows for it.
I have to admit, I've never seen an explanation of hell like this before. This is a new one, and I think it is incorrect.First of all, no one is in hell right now. The unsaved are in a "holding cell" called hades (otherwise known as sheol). They are awaiting the final judgment which is showcased in Revelation.This webpage has more info:http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/hades.html"This is not the ultimate hell (Greek: gehenna) referred to in Matthew 10:28, the same as the "lake of fire" (Revelation 20:15). Hades is another compartment in the pit… where the spirits of the unsaved dead are confined until the day of judgment. They were not set free when Christ freed the spirits of the faithful, but are still there" (Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defenders Study Bible).As for torment in hell being eternal --- it most certainly is. During the final judgement, Jesus himself will look at our "rap-sheet" to see where our eternal home will be. Look at the verses below:31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:31-46What can I say, the bible speaks for itself. Jesus will send people to hell, into everlasting punishment. Why, because He is the God of justice, thats why. We all know that the "Wages of sin is death" --- well if you don't know Jesus, its time to collect your wages!!! Romans 6:23 I like how ChristianAnswers.net "sums hell up":[url="http://www.christiananswers.net/q-grace/hell-and-god.html]http://www.christiananswers.net/q-grace/hell-and-god.html[/url] We have our catalog of sins. We have rape and incest and murder ; and we have them all cataloged and classified--but there isn't one of them (or even put them all together in one big hunk) that comes close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life. Did Jesus say, "I'm going to send the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin because they rob banks"-- or, "because they believe not on me"?Photo copyrighted. Courtesy of Eden Communications.It is folly to expect that you or I can trifle with the Lord Jesus and not have a penalty attached to it. What ridiculous thinking people have in this area! We expect penalties for doing much less. Life is just built that way.You jump off a high building, the law of gravity will take care of you. You might say, "God is love," all the way down, but you're still going to get splattered when you hit the bottom! You break the law of gravity, and it breaks you! You may love your little child, but if he puts his finger up on that hot burner on the gas stove or the electric stove, he's going to get burned!Fire burns. Gravity kills. Water drowns. And you can say, "God is love, God is love, God is love," until you're blue in the face. But water will still drown you, fire will burn you, and gravity will kill you, and sin will damn you no matter how much you say about a loving God.

 

[sosthenes]

If the dead shall be raised incorruptible (1 Cor. 15:52) and if the mortal shall put on immortality (1 Cor. 15:54) and if death is swallowed up in victory, how will the dead be annihilated if they are immortal?1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt. Their bodies are awakened to everlasting contempt.Jesus said,"I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore [eis tous aionas ton aionon] (Rev. 1:17-18, NASB).Revelation 20:10: "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever [eis tous aionas ton aionon]."What you need to explain is how the same verse is used the same way but means different things as if one translation means 'eternal' and the other doesn't. If you translate the same passage one way then you have to be consistent and translate the other passage the same way and it just wouldn't make sense to translate it another way because there are so many verses in the Bible which would refute that God isn't eternal. That is the point all scholars were trying to point out to us.Not one of these translations translates "aionion" as anything other than "eternal" or similar. New American Standard Bible (©1995)"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)"Then the king will say to those on his left, 'Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels!King James BibleThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:American Standard VersionThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:Bible in Basic EnglishThen will he say to those on the left, Go from me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which is ready for the Evil One and his angelsouay-Rheims BibleThen he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. Darby Bible TranslationThen shall he say also to those on the left, Go from me, cursed, into eternal fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:English Revised VersionThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:Tyndale New TestamentThen shall the king say unto them that shall be on the left hand: depart from me ye cursed, into everlasting fire, which is prepared for the devil and his angels.Weymouth New Testament"Then will He say to those at His left, "'Begone from me, with the curse resting upon you, into the Fire of the Ages, which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels.Webster's Bible TranslationThen will he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:World English BibleThen he will say also to those on the left hand,'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;Young's Literal TranslationThen shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;I could quote the New World Translation that the Jehovah's Witnesses use but that is taking the discussion to the next level.

 

[Jordan]

(sosthenes;50238)
If the dead shall be raised incorruptible (1 Cor. 15:52) and if the mortal shall put on immortality (1 Cor. 15:54) and if death is swallowed up in victory, how will the dead be annihilated if they are immortal?1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt. Their bodies are awakened to everlasting contempt.Jesus said,"I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore [eis tous aionas ton aionon] (Rev. 1:17-18, NASB).Revelation 20:10: "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever [eis tous aionas ton aionon]."What you need to explain is how the same verse is used the same way but means different things as if one translation means 'eternal' and the other doesn't. If you translate the same passage one way then you have to be consistent and translate the other passage the same way and it just wouldn't make sense to translate it another way because there are so many verses in the Bible which would refute that God isn't eternal. That is the point all scholars were trying to point out to us.Not one of these translations translates "aionion" as anything other than "eternal" or similar. New American Standard Bible (©1995)"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)"Then the king will say to those on his left, 'Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels!King James BibleThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:American Standard VersionThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:Bible in Basic EnglishThen will he say to those on the left, Go from me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which is ready for the Evil One and his angelsouay-Rheims BibleThen he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. Darby Bible TranslationThen shall he say also to those on the left, Go from me, cursed, into eternal fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:English Revised VersionThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:Tyndale New TestamentThen shall the king say unto them that shall be on the left hand: depart from me ye cursed, into everlasting fire, which is prepared for the devil and his angels.Weymouth New Testament"Then will He say to those at His left, "'Begone from me, with the curse resting upon you, into the Fire of the Ages, which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels.Webster's Bible TranslationThen will he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:World English BibleThen he will say also to those on the left hand,'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;Young's Literal TranslationThen shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;I could quote the New World Translation that the Jehovah's Witnesses use but that is taking the discussion to the next level.
I Corinthians 15 time place is at the Mellineum Reign. It comes before Judgment Day. At Judgment Day, the dead shall then die (cease to exist)

 

[Christina]

(sosthenes;50238)
If the dead shall be raised incorruptible (1 Cor. 15:52) and if the mortal shall put on immortality (1 Cor. 15:54) and if death is swallowed up in victory, how will the dead be annihilated if they are immortal?1Cr 15:55 O death, where [is] thy sting? O grave, where [is] thy victory? Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt. Their bodies are awakened to everlasting contempt.Jesus said,"I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore [eis tous aionas ton aionon] (Rev. 1:17-18, NASB).Revelation 20:10: "And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever [eis tous aionas ton aionon]."What you need to explain is how the same verse is used the same way but means different things as if one translation means 'eternal' and the other doesn't. If you translate the same passage one way then you have to be consistent and translate the other passage the same way and it just wouldn't make sense to translate it another way because there are so many verses in the Bible which would refute that God isn't eternal. That is the point all scholars were trying to point out to us.Not one of these translations translates "aionion" as anything other than "eternal" or similar. New American Standard Bible (©1995)"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)"Then the king will say to those on his left, 'Get away from me! God has cursed you! Go into everlasting fire that was prepared for the devil and his angels!King James BibleThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:American Standard VersionThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:Bible in Basic EnglishThen will he say to those on the left, Go from me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which is ready for the Evil One and his angelsouay-Rheims BibleThen he shall say to them also that shall be on his left hand: Depart from me, you cursed, into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels. Darby Bible TranslationThen shall he say also to those on the left, Go from me, cursed, into eternal fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:English Revised VersionThen shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels:Tyndale New TestamentThen shall the king say unto them that shall be on the left hand: depart from me ye cursed, into everlasting fire, which is prepared for the devil and his angels.Weymouth New Testament"Then will He say to those at His left, "'Begone from me, with the curse resting upon you, into the Fire of the Ages, which has been prepared for the Devil and his angels.Webster's Bible TranslationThen will he say also to them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:World English BibleThen he will say also to those on the left hand,'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire which is prepared for the devil and his angels;Young's Literal TranslationThen shall he say also to those on the left hand, Go ye from me, the cursed, to the fire, the age-during, that hath been prepared for the Devil and his messengers;I could quote the New World Translation that the Jehovah's Witnesses use but that is taking the discussion to the next level.
The spirit body is incoruptable not the soul to have ones soul die is the second death and you cease to exist period.secondley there is a 1000 year period (the millieum)that is spoken here No one is judged to the second death until it is over No one gets final judgement until the white thone judgement at the end of the miilieum during which time Satan is loosed for a little while again. Then after the final judgement at the end of the millieum those whose die second death (of the soul) cease. And there is a new heaven and a new earth and sin of no kind exists either in a firey pit or else where.

 

[Christina]

(RaddSpencer;50237)
I have to admit, I've never seen an explanation of hell like this before. This is a new one, and I think it is incorrect.First of all, no one is in hell right now. The unsaved are in a "holding cell" called hades (otherwise known as sheol). They are awaiting the final judgment which is showcased in Revelation.This webpage has more info:http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/hades.html"This is not the ultimate hell (Greek: gehenna) referred to in Matthew 10:28, the same as the "lake of fire" (Revelation 20:15). Hades is another compartment in the pit… where the spirits of the unsaved dead are confined until the day of judgment. They were not set free when Christ freed the spirits of the faithful, but are still there" (Dr. Henry M. Morris, The Defenders Study Bible).As for torment in hell being eternal --- it most certainly is. During the final judgement, Jesus himself will look at our "rap-sheet" to see where our eternal home will be. Look at the verses below:31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. Matthew 25:31-46What can I say, the bible speaks for itself. Jesus will send people to hell, into everlasting punishment. Why, because He is the God of justice, thats why. We all know that the "Wages of sin is death" --- well if you don't know Jesus, its time to collect your wages!!! Romans 6:23 I like how ChristianAnswers.net "sums hell up":[url="http://www.christiananswers.net/q-grace/hell-and-god.html]http://www.christiananswers.net/q-grace/hell-and-god.html[/url] We have our catalog of sins. We have rape and incest and murder ; and we have them all cataloged and classified--but there isn't one of them (or even put them all together in one big hunk) that comes close to the sin of keeping Jesus Christ out of your life. Did Jesus say, "I'm going to send the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin because they rob banks"-- or, "because they believe not on me"?Photo copyrighted. Courtesy of Eden Communications.It is folly to expect that you or I can trifle with the Lord Jesus and not have a penalty attached to it. What ridiculous thinking people have in this area! We expect penalties for doing much less. Life is just built that way.You jump off a high building, the law of gravity will take care of you. You might say, "God is love," all the way down, but you're still going to get splattered when you hit the bottom! You break the law of gravity, and it breaks you! You may love your little child, but if he puts his finger up on that hot burner on the gas stove or the electric stove, he's going to get burned!Fire burns. Gravity kills. Water drowns. And you can say, "God is love, God is love, God is love," until you're blue in the face. But water will still drown you, fire will burn you, and gravity will kill you, and sin will damn you no matter how much you say about a loving God.
Well thats religion for you ignore Gods Word because men say differnt God makes a new heaven a new earth and therre is no sin nor any firey pit nor does God enjoy burning people forever butsee what ever way you chose. The bible is about this age not the next.

 

[RaddSpencer]

(kriss;50273)
Well thats religion for you ignore Gods Word because men say differnt God makes a new heaven a new earth and therre is no sin nor any firey pit nor does God enjoy burning people forever butsee what ever way you chose. The bible is about this age not the next.
I quoted Matt 25:31-46....45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.If you don't believe that Jesus will mediate justice in the end of days, maybe you should talk to Him about it.If you think God plays games with sinful debts, they you don't believe He is JUST. GOD IS JUST. He is the Most High Judge in the end of days. And He SHALL mediate justice. That is His nature.There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23The wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10God is not interested in sending people to hell, but frankly, we all deserve it. And if you have committed sin, and it is not payed by Jesus's blood --- you're going to pay for your crimes.

 

[Jordan]

(RaddSpencer;50279)
(kriss;50273)
Well thats religion for you ignore Gods Word because men say differnt God makes a new heaven a new earth and therre is no sin nor any firey pit nor does God enjoy burning people forever butsee what ever way you chose. The bible is about this age not the next.
I quoted Matt 25:31-46....45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.If you don't believe that Jesus will mediate justice in the end of days, maybe you should talk to Him about it.If you think God plays games with sinful debts, they you don't believe He is JUST. GOD IS JUST. He is the Most High Judge in the end of days. And He SHALL mediate justice. That is His nature.There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death. Proverbs 14:12For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23The wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. James 2:10God is not interested in sending people to hell, but frankly, we all deserve it. And if you have committed sin, and it is not payed by Jesus's blood --- you're going to pay for your crimes.John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Psalm 37:20 - But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

 

[RaddSpencer]

(thesuperjag;50282)
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.Psalm 37:20 - But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the LORD shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.Ezekiel 28:18 - Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.Revelation 20:14 - And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.Ezekiel 18:4 - Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.Ezekiel 18:20 - The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Ok,I get the idea that you think that the second death means something other than separation from God. I couldn't disagree more. 7When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the seashore. 9And they came up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. 11Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire This is the second death, the lake of fire. 15And if anyone's name was not found written in (AZ)the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire. Revelation 20:11-15Why do you think that God will treat the devil and his angels any differently than the humans who died in their sins?Why are the demons tormented for all eternity, while the humans somehow get a "cease existing" pass.God is just, the demons are guilty of sin (Rebellion against God), the humans are guilty of sin. They all get the same punishment.

 

[sosthenes]

(thesuperjag;50265)
I Corinthians 15 time place is at the Mellineum Reign. It comes before Judgment Day. At Judgment Day, the dead shall then die (cease to exist)
Matthew 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him. Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Annihilation is an end to payment or forgiveness of debt but burning in hell is what is referred to as not forgiving.Isaiah 66:24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.Hell is compared to an undieing worm and not a dieing worm.And just because you refer to death doesn't mean we exactly know what death meansavid F. Wells discusses the wide range of meanings of the above three Biblical words: Sinners are ‘cut off’ (Ps. 37:9, 22, 28, 34, 38), but so is the Messiah (Dan. 9:26); sinners are ‘destroyed’ (Ps. 143:12), but so was Israel (Hos. 13:9; cf. Isa. 9:14) and so were the sheep and coins that were then found (Luke 15:4, 8); unbelievers are said to ‘die,’ but then all of us have always been ‘dead’ (Rom. 6:13; 7:4; Eph. 2:1, 5; cf. Rom. 7:10, 13; 8:2, 6; I Tim. 5:6; Col. 2:13; Rev. 3:1), and that surely does not mean we have been without existence and consciousness. (42).

 

[sosthenes]

Rev 22:11 "Let the one who does wrong, still do wrong; and the one who is filthy, still be filthy; and let the one who is righteous, still practice righteousness; and the one who is holy, still keep himself holy." At the judgment, it says they will keep on sinning "still do wrong" and you can't still do wrong if you are annihilated. I know this is the NASB and not the King James but the definitions for the King James in the Blue Letter Bible support the way it was translated in the NASB even though the King James translators didn't bring out the meaning.