Is the Pope as he claims “God on Earth”...

[Prayer Warrior]

I am ignoring nothing. Those who keep the commandments given by Jesus show their faith by their works.

There are some Christians who say they believe but their words are spoken with the guile of the serpent.

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Yes, indeed, there will be some Buddhists entering the kingdom before some Christians; and I despise the kind of thinking that fails to show gratitude to non-Christians when they behave lovingly. Some Christians make me feel sick. They remind me of the self-righteous Pharisees of Jesus' day. "I think thee, God, that I am not like other men, like this Buddhist."

Who said anything about not showing gratitude to people who help others. But really, can you say that their helping is really loving others? You don't know their motives, what's in their hearts.

The kingdom of God is open to ALL who choose to believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus said the gospel will be preached to ALL people. I believe that ALL people will have an opportunity to be saved by believing in Jesus Christ. There is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved! This is God's requirement, not mine.

You seem to have some bitterness. Take it from me, bitterness can eat you alive!

Edit: BTW, I said this about bitterness because I have fought it, not because I have given in to it.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I read the Bible as written. If John said the things in Revelation would come to pass "shortly," I believe him. How many passages do you need before you can believe the end was predicted shortly? Try reading Mathew 24 without guile. What will be the sign of his coming and the end of the age? Jesus answers that; but clearly some people don't believe him. No, they say, "But the world didn't end then. That can't be right."

You judge me of having guile. I seek the truth. Jesus will be my judge.

 

[Giuliano]

Who said anything about not showing gratitude to people who help others. But really, can you say that their helping is really loving others. You don't know their motives, what's in their hearts.

I see their fruits. I can judge a tree as good if it bears good fruit. I don't need to read minds.

The kingdom of God is open to ALL who choose to believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus said the gospel will be preached to ALL people. I believe that ALL people will have an opportunity to be saved by believing in Jesus Christ. There is no other name under heaven by which men can be saved! This is God's requirement, not mine.

Have you not read that an angel from heaven preaches the Gospel?

Again you make me repeat myself -- the "name" of Jesus is important because of his authority. You seem to have a legalistic view of things that depends on religious formulas -- say the magic words and presto, you're saved!

You seem to have some bitterness. Take it from me, bitterness can eat you alive!

I am not the person attacking the Pope for saying kind things to Buddhists. I applaud him for his Christian attitude.

You judge me of having guile. I seek the truth. Jesus will be my judge.

If you have no guile and seriously seek the truth, read the Bible as written without preconceived notions. You say Jesus will be your judge; but look at how you just judged Buddhists! They didn't follow some magic formula about saying magic words.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I see their fruits. I can judge a tree as good if it bears good fruit. I don't need to read minds.
Have you not read that an angel from heaven preaches the Gospel?

Again you make me repeat myself -- the "name" of Jesus is important because of his authority. You seem to have a legalistic view of things that depends on religious formulas -- say the magic words and presto, you're saved!


I am not the person attacking the Pope for saying kind things to Buddhists. I applaud him for his Christian attitude.

If you have no guile and seriously seek the truth, read the Bible as written without preconceived notions. You say Jesus will be your judge; but look at how you just judged Buddhists! They didn't follow some magic formula about saying magic words.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

I find it difficult to get past the chip on your shoulder. You say it's not okay for me to judge Buddhists, but it's okay for you to judge me?? Now be honest; that's hypocritical.

I didn't say anything about the Pope, but if he is misguiding people about salvation, he will answer to God for that, as we all will!
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[Giuliano]

I find it difficult to get past the chip on your shoulder. You say it's not okay for me to judge Buddhists, but it's okay for you to judge me?? Now be honest; that's hypocritical.

I didn't say anything about the Pope, but if he is misguiding people about salvation, he will answer to God for that, as we all will!
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Who judged you? Do you feel judged because I suggested you read the Bible without guile?

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Who judged you?

Try reading Mathew 24 without guile.

You suggested that I read the Bible with guile, which means "deceitful cunning." So, you're implying that I'm deceitful.

look at how you just judged Buddhists!

You're saying that I'm judging Buddhists. What??? I'm telling you what the Bible says about being saved. You're judging me about judging. But you seem to think this is okay. I'm saying it's hypocritical.
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[Giuliano]

You suggested that I read the Bible with guile, which means "deceitful cunning." So, you're implying that I'm deceitful.

I will do more than imply it. I will state it outright: you are deceiving yourself. Is that judging you?

[QUOTE}You're saying that I'm judging Buddhists. What??? I'm telling you what the Bible says about being saved. You're judging me about judging. But you seem to think this is okay. I'm saying it's hypocritical.
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And you put a legalistic spin on the meaning of "name." You then blithely ignore what Jesus himself said about how people will be judged.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

look at how you just judged Buddhists!

I will do more than imply it. I will state it outright: you are deceiving yourself. Is that judging you? And you put a legalistic spin on the meaning of "name." You then blithely ignore what Jesus himself said about how people will be judged.

Have a good night, Giuliano! Blessings to you!

 

[Davy]

Hello Davy,
While itvis true that the Catholic church promotes a peaceful and respectful inter-faith dialogue,

Here is official teaching on just what that means for Catholics:

Dominus Iesus

Peace be with you!

It's a serious situation, because anytime a Church allows those of another religion to come in among the congregation and give demonstrations of their religion, that is a huge problem. As I've said before, there are some today that are preaching that all religions fulfill the same purpose and are just different ways to God. We as Christians know that is not true. Other religions cannot save. All must come through Jesus Christ only.

A friend once sent me a news article in a Chicago newspaper of three Buddhist monks chanting mantras in front of the Communion table of Christ in a Protestant Christian Church. That is totally... unacceptable!

 

[Davy]

But the Protestant churches are not going to SE Asia and blatantly proclaiming that Buddhists are brothers and sisters. The pope has already equated the Muslim Allah with the God of the Bible. Now all we need if for him to bring the Hindus and others into his *fold* and proclaim that they are all brothers and sisters!

That was not my point. The point is that because the popes in those times were so anti-Christian, the Reformers pegged them as Antichrists.

Some Protestant Churches are allowing demonstrations in their Church, of other religions. A friend sent me a frontpage news article in a Chicago newspaper of three Buddhist monks chanting mantras while standing in front of the Communion table. Some Churches are allowing dance demonstrations of other religions right in front of the congregation. It's not a movement to deceive just the Roman Church. It's being pressed on all Christian Churches that will allow it. Ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen said in his 1958 book The Naked Communist that the Communists had a strategy to promote 'social religion' in the western Christian Churches, instead of 'revealed religion' from The Bible. The inter-faith movement is 'social religion' at its best.

 

[Philip James]

As I've said before, there are some today that are preaching that all religions fulfill the same purpose and are just different ways to God. We as Christians know that is not true. Other religions cannot save. All must come through Jesus Christ only.

Indeed this is serious, which is why Cardinal Ratzinger wrote the document I posted and why JohnPaul the Great promulgated it.

Here's some more from it (bolding by me)


9. In contemporary theological reflection there often emerges an approach to Jesus of Nazareth that considers him a particular, finite, historical figure, who reveals the divine not in an exclusive way, but in a way complementary with other revelatory and salvific figures. The Infinite, the Absolute, the Ultimate Mystery of God would thus manifest itself to humanity in many ways and in many historical figures: Jesus of Nazareth would be one of these. More concretely, for some, Jesus would be one of the many faces which the Logos has assumed in the course of time to communicate with humanity in a salvific way.

Furthermore, to justify the universality of Christian salvation as well as the fact of religious pluralism, it has been proposed that there is an economy of the eternal Word that is valid also outside the Church and is unrelated to her, in addition to an economy of the incarnate Word. The first would have a greater universal value than the second, which is limited to Christians, though God's presence would be more full in the second.

"10. These theses are in profound conflict with the Christian faith. The doctrine of faith must be firmly believed which proclaims that Jesus of Nazareth, son of Mary, and he alone, is the Son and the Word of the Father. The Word, which “was in the beginning with God” (Jn 1:2) is the same as he who “became flesh” (Jn 1:14). In Jesus, “the Christ, the Son of the living God” (Mt 16:16), “the whole fullness of divinity dwells in bodily form” (Col 2:9). He is the “only begotten Son of the Father, who is in the bosom of the Father” (Jn 1:18), his “beloved Son, in whom we have redemption... In him the fullness of God was pleased to dwell, and through him, God was pleased to reconcile all things to himself, on earth and in the heavens, making peace by the blood of his Cross” (Col 1:13-14; 19-20). "



Dialogue is good. But the Christian Faith cannot be compromised to make some kind of syncretic world wide religion.

As the document above shows, the Catholic Church will not, indeed cannot, embrace such.

Peace be with you!

 

[bbyrd009]

The Pope DIDN'T say brothers and sisters IN CHRIST.

narf, ty. havent laughed that hard all day

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Should we criticize these Buddhists after Christians have fought and killed each other? Who showed love for their fellow man?

ty

And that was exactly my point. Christians can only call those who are IN CHRIST as brothers and sisters. But the pope turned that truth on its head and called UNBELIEVERS brothers and sisters! Buddhists reject Christ and Christianity so how can the possibly be brothers and sisters of genuine Christians?

and ty for playing bro

You are terribly misguided in what you consider a "believer."

on a good day

The pope has already equated the Muslim Allah with the God of the Bible.

man, i love that guy! I might even go kiss his ring myself!
go pope!

 

[epostle]

Don't know about others here, but that's not my point. The Inter-Faith movement can be a joining of all religions in the name of global one-world government, which is actually what the Revelation 13 prophecy about the coming beast king and beast kingdom is about for the end (especially 2 Thessalonians 2:4).

It's not whether we as Christians can call those of other religions our brother or not. It's about what or who one worships. Those other religions are without Christ Jesus, and thus without His Salvation. And God's Word proclaims there is no other name by which one can be saved.

The globalist one-worlders are pushing proclamations of other religions being false as hate speech. That means we as Christians are not to witness to those of other religions about Christ being the 'only' Way of Salvation (even though it's true).

Time to wake up brethren; we all are going to be held accountable for what or who we worship, especially when the coming Antichrist shows up in Jerusalem, and they present him as God and demand we worship him as God.

The Catholic Church is not part of any "inter-faith movement" with one-world goals. Globalist one-worlders regulate the content of the internet, the most powerful propaganda machine in the history of mankind. There are no moral standards and we are in the middle of a cultural war. The fate of civilization is at stake. Globalist one-worlders know how to use the internet to promote religious intolerance, racism and hatred leading into genocides, and political strife that sees godless socialism as the answer to civil unrest (fed by the internet). We see right before our eyes, greedy corporate psychopaths who don't care about the millions of children and families living in abominable conditions, caused by capitalist and fascist financial interests. We know that moral depravity is getting worse. Every day over 1200 babies are butchered as human sacrifices to the god of Self.
Calm and sensible diplomacy, meaningful dialogue and international cooperation to end things like the sex slave trade, where over 2 million women and children are help captive.
Let's not forget the martyrs, more in this century than the entire history of Christianity. Like Nero who set fire to Rome so he could blame it on Christians and destroy moral authority that's in the way of doing what the Caesar wants. Like pre-war Nazi Germany, create a scapegoat and dominate moral authority. Like todays digital beast: run by globalist one-worlders who invisibly regulate social media content. This is done by pushing proclamations of other religions being false as hate speech. You hit the nail on the head.

When the Pope meets with religious and political leaders, he's trying to end misery, not build some nightmarish political/religious force. The notion is stupid and absurd and impossible. It would violate numerous encyclicals proclaimed in the last century which opposes such a thing.

This is an example of the power of propaganda and the digital beast. Social media is used to deceive people
into thinking the Pope, who is or will at some future point, fulfil a false, paranoid prophecy. How? By attacking moral authority. The fall of the Roman Empire, the fall of the Third Reich, and the CURRENT moral collapse of civilization have alarming parallels. It is Christianity that stands in the way, and that is what TODAYS culture war is all about, not something that anti-Catholics are wishing for.

 

[Enoch111]

man, i love that guy! I might even go kiss his ring myself!

Except that the pope will tell you that this is simply not enough. Unless you support the global warming hoax you are in serious trouble.

 

[epostle]

"That is undeniably true of Antichrist. Calvin has not shown in the slightest degree that the Antichrist will be a pope or collection of popes." (from the link above).

Because he can't! He hasn't shown it, but asserts it anyway.

Institutes IV, 7:25

Then his nature is such, that he abolishes not the name either of Christ or the Church, but rather uses the name of Christ as a pretext, and lurks under the name of Church as under a mask. But though all the heresies and schisms which have existed from the beginning belong to the kingdom of Antichrist, yet when Paul foretells that defection will come, he by the description intimates that that seat of abomination will be erected, when a kind of universal defection comes upon the Church, though many members of the Church scattered up and down should continue in the true unity of the faith. But when he adds, that in his own time, the mystery of iniquity, which was afterwards to be openly manifested, had begun to work in secret, we thereby understand that this calamity was neither to be introduced by one man, nor to terminate in one man (see Calv. in 2 Thess. 2:3; Dan. 7:9). Moreover, when the mark by which he distinguishes Antichrist is, that he would rob God of his honour and take it to himself, he gives the leading feature which we ought to follow in searching out Antichrist; especially when pride of this description proceeds to the open devastation of the Church. Seeing then it is certain that the Roman Pontiff has impudently transferred to himself the most peculiar properties of God and Christ,

Really? How so? Have popes claimed to be eternal or omniscient or omnipotent or omnipresent or outside of time? Did they claim to have created the world? Etc., etc. Those are the “most peculiar properties of God and Christ” and so anyone claiming to be God would have to make some allusion to them. They would talk, in other words, as Jesus did. But this has never happened. Thus, Calvin is flailing away, saying words that have no content or application to the matter at hand.

Just like the fundamentalists like Dave Hunt, the SDA, the JW's and legions of other made-in-America cults. Flailing away.

 

[Mungo]

Unfortunately it also fits the UK.

 

[bbyrd009]

Except that the pope will tell you that this is simply not enough. Unless you support the global warming hoax you are in serious trouble.

hmm, you think given his recent past statements he would hold that position? i dunno. Wasnt aware of his position on GW, maybe we should send him "120 years of climate scares" huh lol. Not sure they were measuring atmospheric CO2 for most of them though...

 

[Davy]

The Catholic Church is not part of any "inter-faith movement" with one-world goals. Globalist one-worlders regulate the content of the internet, the most powerful propaganda machine in the history of mankind. There are no moral standards and we are in the middle of a cultural war. The fate of civilization is at stake. Globalist one-worlders know how to use the internet to promote religious intolerance, racism and hatred leading into genocides, and political strife that sees godless socialism as the answer to civil unrest (fed by the internet). We see right before our eyes, greedy corporate psychopaths who don't care about the millions of children and families living in abominable conditions, caused by capitalist and fascist financial interests. We know that moral depravity is getting worse. Every day over 1200 babies are butchered as human sacrifices to the god of Self.
Calm and sensible diplomacy, meaningful dialogue and international cooperation to end things like the sex slave trade, where over 2 million women and children are help captive.
Let's not forget the martyrs, more in this century than the entire history of Christianity. Like Nero who set fire to Rome so he could blame it on Christians and destroy moral authority that's in the way of doing what the Caesar wants. Like pre-war Nazi Germany, create a scapegoat and dominate moral authority. Like todays digital beast: run by globalist one-worlders who invisibly regulate social media content. This is done by pushing proclamations of other religions being false as hate speech. You hit the nail on the head.

When the Pope meets with religious and political leaders, he's trying to end misery, not build some nightmarish political/religious force. The notion is stupid and absurd and impossible. It would violate numerous encyclicals proclaimed in the last century which opposes such a thing.

This is an example of the power of propaganda and the digital beast. Social media is used to deceive people
into thinking the Pope, who is or will at some future point, fulfil a false, paranoid prophecy. How? By attacking moral authority. The fall of the Roman Empire, the fall of the Third Reich, and the CURRENT moral collapse of civilization have alarming parallels. It is Christianity that stands in the way, and that is what TODAYS culture war is all about, not something that anti-Catholics are wishing for.

I hear you saying, but your words are not enough to convince me. Catholic Churches allowing Tibetan Buddhists to come in and chant mantras per 'their' religious practice turns your claims into jelly. But this has happened also in Protestant Churches too. This is a growing movement, not a fad in only a couple of churches.

Protests greet Buddhist visit to Catholic church
Protests greet Buddhist visit to Catholic church

 

[bbyrd009]

But really, can you say that their helping is really loving others? You don't know their motives, what's in their hearts.

"your love's like rhinestones
falling from the sky"
yeh
evabody loves love, and evabody wanna help huh

@H. Richard

 

[Davy]

Because he can't! He hasn't shown it, but asserts it anyway.

Institutes IV, 7:25

Then his nature is such, that he abolishes not the name either of Christ or the Church, but rather uses the name of Christ as a pretext, and lurks under the name of Church as under a mask. But though all the heresies and schisms which have existed from the beginning belong to the kingdom of Antichrist, yet when Paul foretells that defection will come, he by the description intimates that that seat of abomination will be erected, when a kind of universal defection comes upon the Church, though many members of the Church scattered up and down should continue in the true unity of the faith. But when he adds, that in his own time, the mystery of iniquity, which was afterwards to be openly manifested, had begun to work in secret, we thereby understand that this calamity was neither to be introduced by one man, nor to terminate in one man (see Calv. in 2 Thess. 2:3; Dan. 7:9). Moreover, when the mark by which he distinguishes Antichrist is, that he would rob God of his honour and take it to himself, he gives the leading feature which we ought to follow in searching out Antichrist; especially when pride of this description proceeds to the open devastation of the Church. Seeing then it is certain that the Roman Pontiff has impudently transferred to himself the most peculiar properties of God and Christ,

Really? How so? Have popes claimed to be eternal or omniscient or omnipotent or omnipresent or outside of time? Did they claim to have created the world? Etc., etc. Those are the “most peculiar properties of God and Christ” and so anyone claiming to be God would have to make some allusion to them. They would talk, in other words, as Jesus did. But this has never happened. Thus, Calvin is flailing away, saying words that have no content or application to the matter at hand.

Just like the fundamentalists like Dave Hunt, the SDA, the JW's and legions of other made-in-America cults. Flailing away.

When I proclaim per God's Word the coming pseudo-Christ to Jerusalem to sit in a rebuilt temple and proclaim himself as God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshiped, I am not excluding the world's religious leaders in support of that event which are antichrists.

When that event happens in our near future that our Lord Jesus warned us of regarding that coming false one to Jerusalem, the world's religious leaders will be under that false-Christ's authority. There will be a joining of all... religious faiths in that time, and today's move towards that can already be seen preparing.

So no matter how much propaganda you claim this matter is, you cannot rewrite God's Word about it. You'd be better off heeding God's Word about the end instead of claiming there's nothing to the inter religious movement in relation to endtime Bible prophecy.