Islamic community NOT allowed!

[The Gospel of Christ]

actually no they were not.. they were always blinded in part. the OT promises still stand.

Paul makes it clear. they may be our enemies concerning the gospel.. but they are to be beloved because of the promises''the gifts and calling of God are irevokable.. God does not go back on his promises

Yes, Paul says the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable — but you’re ripping that one verse out of context and using it to cancel out the entire chapter.

“They were broken off because of unbelief…” (Rom. 11:20)
“If they do not continue in His kindness, they too will be cut off.” (Rom. 11:22)

That's the condition.
There is no covenant apart from Christ.

“They are enemies of the Gospel… but beloved for the sake of the fathers.” (Rom. 11:28)

Yes — and Paul is acknowledging a paradox:

Beloved because of the covenant made with Abraham
But enemies because they rejected the fulfillment of that covenant — Jesus Christ

You don’t get to quote “beloved” and ignore “enemies of the Gospel.”

Paul was clear: the olive tree only has one root — Christ.

“If the root is holy, so are the branches…” (Rom. 11:16)
“…but if some of the branches were broken off…” (v. 17)

Broken off — not paused.
Not blinded but still blessed.
Not temporarily on hold until they feel like repenting.

Cut off. Until they’re grafted back in through faith. (v. 23)

“The gifts and calling of God are irrevocable…” (Rom. 11:29)

Yes — but the fulfillment of that calling is in Christ.

God didn’t “go back” on His promise — He fulfilled it in the Messiah.
Now the invitation is open to all — Jew and Gentile alike — but only in Him.

So no, the modern state of Israel — built in unbelief, drenched in Talmudic rejection of Jesus, armed by the U.S., and banning the Gospel — is not walking in the calling.

They’ve rejected the very promise you're trying to apply to them.

You say “the OT promises still stand.”
Yes — in Christ.

“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” (2 Cor. 1:20)
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly…” (Rom. 2:28)
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to promise.” (Gal. 3:29)

Not through blood.
Not through conversion.
Not through blue & white flags waving the demonic star of Remphan cursed in the Bible. — Amos 5:26
Not through Rothschild real estate deals and U.N. tanks.

Through Christ alone.

So here’s the hard truth you can’t Scofield your way around:

There is no inheritance without the Heir.
There is no blessing for those who deny the Son.
There is no Israel of God outside the Church of Christ.

You don’t get to quote Paul in Romans 11:29
while ignoring everything he said in verses 1–28.

No Christ — no covenant.

Period.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You aren't suggesting that it's OK to be racists against Jews are ya?

Genesis 12:3 - I will bless those who bless you,
But I will curse those who curse you.
And through you I will bless all the nations

Numbers 24:9 - Whoever blesses Israel will be blessed,
And whoever curses Israel will be cursed

Those that are racist and hateful towards Israel... are cursed.




Which God foretold that the Nation of Israel would come back into being in the end times so it was the Lord influencing people to make this happen.

gen 12. just remember, Gen 3 was written to all the kids of Abraham, Not just Isaac. this would also include Ishmael, he had many other children's from other wives too.. they all would be included not just Israel

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Lies and more lies is all you have.

Show me where I said Jews or anybody else can be saved without Jesus

someone has scofield derangement syndrome (SDS)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Because they DESTROY Christian communities.

so they are stronger than God?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yeah, some would.

In fact, the people that embrace eternal security must accept people who got born again back when they were normal and then later on they turned gay.

They have to because they claim nothing can be done to cause someone to lose their salvation.

But, it's very funny when one of them say someone like this isn't saved because they just contradicted their pet doctrine!

let he who has no sin cast the first stone.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not all Muslims are terrorists though, you can't bar people from Western nations on the basis of religion, otherwise that won't be quite right.

They can move to Western nations, so long as they agree to be law abiding residents.

I think of all the atrocities in the passed done by christian crussaders and catholics in the name of Christ. Many against muslims. and alot of these are the cause of the retaliation against christians today. Not just from mulsims

 

[Eternally Grateful]

There is no separation clause. It not in the US constitution and never was the intent of the gov't to separate from religion. It was intended forever to be a Christian nation. Only in the last 30 yrs. did it turn upside down. Congress always had prayer to open and a prayer service to follow. Until recent times.

again

there is a clause, It was made to protect any church or religion from taking power and forcing the whole nation to bow to that power.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, Paul says the gifts and calling of God are irrevocable — but you’re ripping that one verse out of context and using it to cancel out the entire chapter.

no you are

He said they are enemies concerning the gospel

so everyone agrees. they reject Christ (the ones who are blinded) and they attack the gospel.

But God has kept a remnant.. You only keep a remnant when you plan on keeping that bloodline in tact.

God made a gift to them in Gen 15 to their father abraham, and also in 17 and confirmed it numerous times

that promise still stands..

now unless you worship a God who breaks his promises. then you have nothing to stand on scripturally about the return of Israel AFTER they repent

 

[Eternally Grateful]

wow this thread God dark fast.. I am surprised it is still open.

 

[Rockerduck]

again

there is a clause, It was made to protect any church or religion from taking power and forcing the whole nation to bow to that power.

That is the establishment clause. While the gov't cannot interfere with the free exercise of religion. It can't establish a gov't religion, like England did.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

no you are

He said they are enemies concerning the gospel

so everyone agrees. they reject Christ (the ones who are blinded) and they attack the gospel.

But God has kept a remnant.. You only keep a remnant when you plan on keeping that bloodline in tact.

God made a gift to them in Gen 15 to their father abraham, and also in 17 and confirmed it numerous times

that promise still stands..

now unless you worship a God who breaks his promises. then you have nothing to stand on scripturally about the return of Israel AFTER they repent

You just admitted:

They’re enemies concerning the Gospel
Only a remnant is preserved
God’s promise stands
And the rest were cut off for unbelief

Exactly.
That’s what Paul taught — and you’re still not hearing what he said next:

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” (Rom. 9:6)
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to promise.” (Gal. 3:29)
“The children of the flesh are not the children of God.” (Rom. 9:8)

So yes — God kept His promise to Abraham.
But He fulfilled it through the Seed, not the bloodline:

“Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made... He does not say ‘to seeds,’ as of many, but as of one — ‘And to your Seed,’ who is Christ.” — Galatians 3:16

The entire covenant flows through Christ — not DNA.
You’re looking for a national return.
Paul, Jesus, and the prophets pointed to a Messianic fulfillment — a spiritual Israel, reborn from above.

You said:
“God has kept a remnant... to preserve the bloodline…”

No.
Paul says He preserved a remnant by grace, not blood:
“At the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace... not based on works.” (Rom. 11:5–6)

That remnant is not preserved to exalt bloodlines — it’s preserved to fulfill prophecy in Christ.
The rest were cut off. And only those grafted back in through faith are part of the covenant.

So your “future national restoration” idea?
That’s not from Paul. That’s from Scofield.

“Unless you worship a God who breaks His promises…”

No promises were broken.
They were fulfilled.

“All the promises of God find their YES in Him.” (2 Cor. 1:20)

God didn’t break a thing.
He fulfilled the covenant in Jesus Christ — and only those in Christ receive it.
The fact that you don't know that as a Christian is shocking.

Now here’s your full list of voices who disagree with you — all of whom taught that the Church is Israel, and the promises to Abraham are fulfilled in Christ and His Body:

Jesus Christ
“Your house is left to you desolate…” (Matt. 23:38)
“The Kingdom will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing its fruits.” (Matt. 21:43)
“Many will come from east and west and sit with Abraham… but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out.” (Matt. 8:11–12)

Paul the Apostle
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel.” (Rom. 9:6)
“If you are Christ’s, you are Abraham’s seed.” (Gal. 3:29)
“No longer Jew or Gentile… but all are one in Christ.” (Gal. 3:28)

Peter
“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation…” (1 Pet. 2:9–10)
(Applies Israel’s language directly to the Church)

John the Apostle
“Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father.” (1 John 2:23)
“They say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.” (Rev. 2:9, 3:9)

Early Church Fathers (Pre-Scofield, Pre-Zionism, Pre-Darby)

Justin Martyr (100–165 AD)
“We, the Church, are the true Israel.”

Irenaeus (130–202 AD)
“Those who believe in Him and follow His Word are the true children of Abraham.”

Tertullian (155–240 AD)
“The Jews have been cast off; the Christians are now the heirs of the covenant.”

Origen (184–253 AD)
“The Church is the Israel of God.”

Cyprian of Carthage (200–258 AD)
“The Jews, who once were children of God, have been cast off.”

Eusebius (260–339 AD)
“The promises of God belong to the Church, not to the Jews who rejected Christ.”

Augustine (354–430 AD)
“The Church is the kingdom of God on earth. The Jews have no continuing spiritual claim outside of Christ.”

So no — the Church didn’t replace Israel.
The Church is Israel.
Not through blood…
Not through borders…
But through Jesus Christ —
the true Seed of Abraham,
the fulfillment of every promise,
the cornerstone rejected by men but chosen by God.

You know… Christ?
The KING of the JEWS?

That’s who Christians follow.

So if you're in Christ, you're His Body —
and guess what His Body is called?

Israel.

Not political, not ethnic, not tribal.
Covenantal. Spiritual. Eternal.

To say the Jews are still God’s “chosen people” while rejecting the Chosen One is to tear Christ off the throne and crown His enemies in His place.

There is no Israel apart from Jesus.
And there is no salvation outside of Him.

One King. One Kingdom. One Covenant.
All fulfilled in Christ.
Period. The End.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The problem with Dispensationalist Evangelicals is they think this is just a theological debate.
It’s not.

It’s a full-blown spiritual deception.
A systematic brainwashing campaign that’s taught them to deny the central truth of the Gospel —
that Christ is the fulfillment of the promises to Israel.

Instead of clinging to the Seed,
they’ve handed the inheritance over to those who reject the King.

They’ve been led to believe that the Body of Christ isn’t Israel,
but that a group of Slavic and Eastern European Khazars —
Gentile converts who didn’t adopt Judaism until the 8th century —
are somehow the “chosen people of God.”

These aren’t the descendants of Abraham.
They’re not even Semites.
They’re religion hijackers and identity thieves
propped up by propaganda, fiat, and Rothschild money.

And because the U.N. and British Empire bulldozed Palestine in 1948,
massacred over 20,000 Christians and Muslims,
and force-installed a secular, Christ-rejecting state,
we’re now supposed to believe that was God’s doing?

As if tanks, bombs, and colonial land grabs are now proof of divine favor?

Give me a break.

God did not anoint the U.N.
He did not raise up Israel through the blood of innocent settlers.
And He certainly did not crown a Christ-denying state as the fulfillment of prophecy.

The true Israel is in Christ —
not in Tel Aviv,
not in the Knesset,
and not in the bloodline of those who reject the Messiah.

Dispensationalism isn’t theology.
It’s heresy wrapped in a Scofield footnote and sold as “Biblical prophecy.”
And it’s leading millions straight into deception and the gates of Hell.

 

[Dash RipRock]

this would also include Ishmael

Ishmael is of the bond woman and is not included in the blessing of Abraham who was the placeholder so to speck for Jesus of Whom the promises was actually made

So Ishmael and his descendants are irrelevant and are enemies of the descendants of the legitimate off spring of Abraham

let he who has no sin cast the first stone.

I know, the eternal security position is everyone is a sinner and it's all good if we want to live in sin

They say this out of ignorance of what the scriptures teach and so they live in sin and proudly proclaim they are SINNERS

someone has scofield derangement syndrome (SDS)

Yep, that dude is all about SDS

He probably eats SDS tv dinners and is glued to the SDS channel 24/7

I think of all the atrocities in the passed done by christian crussaders and catholics in the name of Christ.

Yeah these people were not christians and they were not being led by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.

They were religious people who were following their father the devil because we know the Holy Spirit does not lead anybody to murder people for not agreeing with their false doctrine.

1 John 3:15 - no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

That is the establishment clause. While the gov't cannot interfere with the free exercise of religion. It can't establish a gov't religion, like England did.

The 1st Amendment is the establishment clause. It prohibits government from establishing a one religion system.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ishmael is of the bond woman and is not included in the blessing of Abraham who was the placeholder so to speck for Jesus of Whom the promises was actually made

yes. as far as the land promise goes, But he is "Abraham" so to curse him would be to curse Abraham

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You just admitted:

They’re enemies concerning the Gospel
Only a remnant is preserved
God’s promise stands
And the rest were cut off for unbelief

Exactly.
That’s what Paul taught — and you’re still not hearing what he said next:

So can you read and understand?

Who is "THEY" in the passage?

1. THEY are blinded in part
2. THEY are a remnant

by definition hence, THEY includes the saved Israel and the not saved Israel. or in other words ALL ISRAEL so when you see the word THEY, You include not only the remnant of saved Israel. but the lost Jews who do not or have not yet believed

we are also told about they

1. THEY (All Israel) are natural branches (as apposed to WE who are unnatural branches)
2. They (The nation of Israel) was cut off, while we (Saved gentiles) are grafted in

in other words, it is not induviduals in context. it is two groups of people. Israel as a nation (natural branches) and gentiles as a group (unnatural branches)

we finally here this truth about "They"

They (all israel) will all be saved at a point of time, when they repent and come to Jesus

we are even told when this will happen.

when the time of the gentiles has been completed

finally we are told this about them

THEY are enemies of the gospel (as a nation, they deny the gospel. they have been cut off)

but THEY are beloved because of the promises. the gift and promises of God are irrevocable.

so hopefully you open your mind and your heart and you see the truth about "THEY" in romans 11.. and not what you have been taught by whoever taught you what you believe

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

So can you read and understand?

Who is "THEY" in the passage?

1. THEY are blinded in part
2. THEY are a remnant

by definition hence, THEY includes the saved Israel and the not saved Israel. or in other words ALL ISRAEL so when you see the word THEY, You include not only the remnant of saved Israel. but the lost Jews who do not or have not yet believed

we are also told about they

1. THEY (All Israel) are natural branches (as apposed to WE who are unnatural branches)
2. They (The nation of Israel) was cut off, while we (Saved gentiles) are grafted in

in other words, it is not induviduals in context. it is two groups of people. Israel as a nation (natural branches) and gentiles as a group (unnatural branches)

we finally here this truth about "They"

They (all israel) will all be saved at a point of time, when they repent and come to Jesus

we are even told when this will happen.

when the time of the gentiles has been completed

finally we are told this about them

THEY are enemies of the gospel (as a nation, they deny the gospel. they have been cut off)

but THEY are beloved because of the promises. the gift and promises of God are irrevocable.

so hopefully you open your mind and your heart and you see the truth about "THEY" in romans 11.. and not what you have been taught by whoever taught you what you believe

You’re quoting Romans 11 like it floats in a theological vacuum — disconnected from Romans 9, ripped from Galatians 3, and smeared over modern Zionism like prophetic duct tape.

You say “THEY” means all of national Israel — saved and unsaved — and that they’ll be saved later just because they’re physical descendants of Abraham.
That’s not exegesis. That’s a Scofield/Darby hallucination.

Let’s break this down — and no, I’m not asking you to open your heart.
I’m asking you to open your Bible.

Paul defines “THEY” repeatedly:

“They were broken off for unbelief.” (Rom. 11:20)
“They are enemies of the Gospel.” (Rom. 11:28)
“The elect obtained it; the rest were hardened.” (Rom. 11:7)

So unless you’re calling unbelieving, hardened, Gospel-rejecting enemies part of “the saved,” you’ve already lost the plot.

You keep quoting “All Israel will be saved” like it means a mass ethno-national revival — but Paul already told you exactly who Israel is:

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly, but inwardly.” — Romans 2:28-29

Real Israel is not a passport. Not a bloodline. Not a flag.
It’s a people born again into Christ — the remnant chosen by grace (Rom. 11:5), grafted into one tree rooted in oneMessiah.

You say “the gifts and calling are irrevocable” — and that’s true. But you twist that to mean God is obligated to bless a Christ-rejecting nation full of Khazar converts.
Paul was saying God didn’t revoke His promise — He fulfilled it in Christ.
And only those in Christ inherit it.

You’re so lost, you think a nation that criminalizes Gospel preaching is “beloved of God” while the global Body of Christ is some temporary accident. You call the Church a “parenthesis” like the crucifixion was Plan B.

You don’t know what Israel is.
You think it’s a manufactured, nation-state founded by atheists, funded by Rothschilds, and propped up by Dispensationalist brain fog.
You think Jesus died to give unbelieving Jews a geopolitical second chance.
You think rejecting the Son still gets you the inheritance.

You preach a Gospel with two brides, two plans, and a schizophrenic God who gave up on the Cross so He could try again in Tel Aviv.

Here’s the truth:

There is one covenant — the New Covenant in Christ’s blood.
There is one people of God — the Church, the Body, the remnant.
There is one olive tree — and Christ is the root.
There is no salvation for anyone — Jew or Gentile — apart from faith in Jesus.

“All Israel will be saved” means all the true, believing Israel of God — those grafted in through faith.

And yes, that means a "Jew" in Brooklyn who denies Christ is not Israel.
A politician in Jerusalem who spits on the Gospel is not chosen.
A man in Kenya or Korea or Kentucky who bows to Jesus Christ is more Jewish in God’s eyes than the entire Sanhedrin.

You want to know what you need to repent from?

Repent from Scofield’s lies.
Repent from preaching salvation by genealogy.
Repent from calling Christ’s Body a footnote.
Repent from trading the Cross for a flag.
Repent from defending the very people who crucified your King — while denying His Bride.

Because when Jesus returns, it won’t be to applaud the Rothschild's modern False Israel™.
It’ll be to judge the nations — including that one.
And if you’re still waving the flag of a Christ-rejecting people while ignoring the blood-soaked cross that birthed the true Israel of God…

Then you’re not just lost.
You’re standing outside the covenant, staring at the veil that God tore — trying to sew it back up with Scofield’s commentary.

Repent.
Now.

 

[Dash RipRock]

But he is "Abraham" so to curse him would be to curse Abraham

Ishmael is not Abraham. Ishmael is illegitimate and his descendants (followers of islam) are actually living in the curse

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You’re quoting Romans 11 like it floats in a theological vacuum — disconnected from Romans 9, ripped from Galatians 3, and smeared over modern Zionism like prophetic duct tape.

romans 9 - 11 are all united

It all concerns the nation of Israel

either way, the fact you were unable to refute my post in romans 11.. shows that you can not. and leaves me no option than to walk away because you are not someone I would turn to look at the word of God

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ishmael is not Abraham. Ishmael is illegitimate and his descendants (followers of islam) are actually living in the curse

Ishmael was not born when God told abraham anyone who curses him

Non of the children were born

You want to curse abraham, feel free.

I will let God do what needs to be done..