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[The Gospel of Christ]

romans 9 - 11 are all united

It all concerns the nation of Israel

either way, the fact you were unable to refute my post in romans 11.. shows that you can not. and leaves me no option than to walk away because you are not someone I would turn to look at the word of God

Romans 9–11 are united — but not in the way you think.
They’re not affirming ethnic salvation — they’re dismantling it.

You think Romans 11 supports a future salvation of national Israel by virtue of lineage.
But Romans 9 already removed that foundation:

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“It is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God.” — Romans 9:8
“Only the remnant will be saved.” — Romans 9:27

Paul’s point across all three chapters is this:
Only those in Christ — whether Jew or Gentile — are part of the true Israel.
And the olive tree in Romans 11? That’s Christ. That’s the New Covenant.

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

You walked away not because I couldn’t answer — but because the Scriptures already did.

You wanted Romans 11 to mean a future blanket-salvation for an unbelieving nation.

Paul says:
They were broken off.
Only a remnant remains.
They must be grafted back in by faith.
And all Israel will be saved — meaning the full number of the remnant, not the apostate whole.

You say I’m not someone you'd turn to for the Word.
But I gave you the Word.
Chapter, verse, covenant, cross.

And when the Word cut through the Scofield fog —
you ran.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Let me make something clear to the lurkers on here…

If Christ, the Apostles, and the early Church Fathers all proclaimed that the Body of Christ is Israel,
then any so-called “church” that even acknowledges the Rothschild/UN-created secular state as “Israel”
isn’t just misled — it’s preaching a false gospel.

Let’s not sugarcoat it:

To stand in a pulpit and remain silent — or worse, to affirm that a Christ-rejecting nation founded in 1948 by Zionist bankers, Khazar converts, UN bureaucrats, and British colonialists is somehow the fulfillment of "God’s covenant promises" — is to spit in the face of the King of the Jews.

Because Jesus is Israel.
He is the Seed of Abraham (Gal. 3:16).
He is the true Vine (John 15:1).
He is the cornerstone, the temple, the fulfillment.
And those in Him — Jew or Gentile — are the children of promise (Rom. 9:8, Gal. 3:29).

To fail to warn your flock that the modern, UN-manufactured state called “Israel” is a false Israel —
an abomination of political sorcery, not spiritual inheritance —
is to leave them wide open to one of the greatest end-time deceptions ever unleashed.

If your church can’t tell the difference between the Bride of Christ and a UN-backed beast system,
you’re not in a church. You’re in a Zionist propaganda center with a steeple.

If your church teaches that the modern False Israel™ of dirt fulfills God's covenant promises,
they're not just misinformed —
they’re preaching a false gospel.
They’re leading their flock into the arms of the Antichrist and straight to the gates of Hell.

And if your church or Bible study doesn’t know — and boldly preach — that the Body of Christ is Israel,
then you’re not being discipled.
You’re sitting in a lost, misled den of blind sheep and devils.


1. The Body of Christ is Israel
“If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.” — Romans 9:8
“Not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“You are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for His own possession.” — 1 Peter 2:9 (spoken to Gentile believers)

Conclusion: Only those in Christ are called “Israel” in the New Covenant.

2. Modern Israel is not a fulfillment of God’s covenant
“He takes away the first to establish the second.” — Hebrews 10:9
“The Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother.” — Galatians 4:26
“This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God.” — Romans 9:8

The covenant promise was fulfilled in Christ, not in a secular nation founded in 1948 by atheists and occult-leaning political agents.
Jesus is the final fulfillment of the seed, the land, and the Kingdom.

3. To preach national Israel as God’s chosen is a false gospel
“If anyone preaches another gospel… let him be accursed.” — Galatians 1:8
“For there is no distinction… for all have sinned… and are justified freely by His grace.” — Romans 3:22–24

Any message that claims two tracks of salvation — one for the Church, one for Jews — is another gospel.
There is one olive tree, one new man, and one way in: faith in Christ.

4. Jesus is Israel
“I am the true Vine.” — John 15:1
“Out of Egypt I called my Son” — originally applied to Israel, fulfilled in Christ (Matthew 2:15 quoting Hosea 11:1)
“He is the Seed of Abraham” — Galatians 3:16
“Destroy this temple… I will raise it up” — John 2:19–21 (Jesus is the true Temple)

Every title and role given to Israel in the Old Testament is fulfilled in Jesus — and extended only to those in Him.

5. False Israel is part of end-time deception
“The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs… because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.” — 2 Thess. 2:9–10

“They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God.” — John 16:2

The U.N./Rothschild's manufactured “Israel” deceives many into exalting a Christ-rejecting political power as the centerpiece of God’s plan, diverting attention from the Gospel and fueling prophetic confusion — a setup for the Antichrist to walk right in.

6. Churches that preach this lie are lost
“Woe to the shepherds who destroy and scatter the sheep of My pasture!” — Jeremiah 23:1
“They are blind guides of the blind.” — Matthew 15:14
“You tolerate that woman Jezebel… who leads My servants astray.” — Revelation 2:20

If a church exalts a Christ-rejecting nation as the "chosen people of God" while remaining silent about the identity of the true Israel (the Church) — it is not a church.

It is a synagogue of Satan disguised in evangelical drag.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Romans 9–11 are united — but not in the way you think.
They’re not affirming ethnic salvation — they’re dismantling it.

You think Romans 11 supports a future salvation of national Israel by virtue of lineage.
But Romans 9 already removed that foundation:

actually they are

romans 9 answers the question, did God make a mistake (chosing Isreal)
Romans 9 and ten shows that even in the OT. God had already planned going to the gentiles. so it was nothing new.
romans 11 asks the question. Is God done with Israel.

since you do not understand romans 9 you can not understand romans 11

either way, you could not respond to my detailed breakdown of romans 11. so you have no leg to stand on.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

actually they are

romans 9 answers the question, did God make a mistake (chosing Isreal)
Romans 9 and ten shows that even in the OT. God had already planned going to the gentiles. so it was nothing new.
romans 11 asks the question. Is God done with Israel.

since you do not understand romans 9 you can not understand romans 11

either way, you could not respond to my detailed breakdown of romans 11. so you have no leg to stand on.

You said: “Romans 9 answers the question: Did God make a mistake choosing Israel?”

No — Romans 9 answers the question:
“Who is true Israel?”

Paul says plainly:

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” (Rom. 9:6)
“It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God.” (Rom. 9:8)

He redefines Israel not by blood, but by promise and election — that’s the foundation.

You said: “Romans 9 and 10 show that going to the Gentiles was always part of the plan.”

True. But you’re missing the implication.

Romans 10 ends by quoting Isaiah:
“All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” (Rom. 10:21)

He’s talking about national Israel.
So by the time you arrive at Romans 11, the hard truth is already established:
Most of ethnic Israel rejected the Messiah.
And God is not obligated to save people who persist in unbelief — Jew or Gentile.

You said: “Romans 11 asks if God is done with Israel.”

And the answer Paul gives?
“At the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.” (Rom. 11:5)
“The rest were hardened.” (Rom. 11:7)
“They were broken off because of unbelief.” (Rom. 11:20)

So no — God isn’t done.
But He’s only preserving a remnant —
Not reviving the entire unbelieving nation because of their DNA.

You keep acting like “all Israel will be saved” means ethnic Israel as a group.

Paul already told you:

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” (Rom. 9:6)
“Only the remnant will be saved.” (Rom. 9:27)
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” (Gal. 3:29)

You said: “You didn’t respond to my breakdown.”

Wrong.

I responded by tearing out the foundation of your whole breakdown —
The assumption that “Israel” always means the geopolitical, manufactured nation or an ethnic group.

But Paul redefines it.

He smashes that assumption.

You just don’t like the answer he gives.

So here’s your leg to stand on:
Either you believe that the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ,
and that the true Israel is those in Him…

Or you believe in a dual-covenant heresy that offers salvation by bloodline — the very thing Romans 9–11 rejects.

I’ll stand on Paul.
You’re standing on Scofield heresy.

That’s the real issue here.

And until you repent of it, you’ll keep misreading the Word you claim to defend.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You said: “Romans 9 answers the question: Did God make a mistake choosing Israel?”

No — Romans 9 answers the question:
“Who is true Israel?”

Paul says plainly:

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” (Rom. 9:6)
“It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God.” (Rom. 9:8)

He redefines Israel not by blood, but by promise and election — that’s the foundation.

You said: “Romans 9 and 10 show that going to the Gentiles was always part of the plan.”

True. But you’re missing the implication.

Romans 10 ends by quoting Isaiah:
“All day long I have held out my hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.” (Rom. 10:21)

He’s talking about national Israel.
So by the time you arrive at Romans 11, the hard truth is already established:
Most of ethnic Israel rejected the Messiah.
And God is not obligated to save people who persist in unbelief — Jew or Gentile.

You said: “Romans 11 asks if God is done with Israel.”

And the answer Paul gives?
“At the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace.” (Rom. 11:5)
“The rest were hardened.” (Rom. 11:7)
“They were broken off because of unbelief.” (Rom. 11:20)

So no — God isn’t done.
But He’s only preserving a remnant —
Not reviving the entire unbelieving nation because of their DNA.

You keep acting like “all Israel will be saved” means ethnic Israel as a group.

Paul already told you:

“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” (Rom. 9:6)
“Only the remnant will be saved.” (Rom. 9:27)
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” (Gal. 3:29)

You said: “You didn’t respond to my breakdown.”

Wrong.

I responded by tearing out the foundation of your whole breakdown —
The assumption that “Israel” always means the geopolitical, manufactured nation or an ethnic group.

But Paul redefines it.

He smashes that assumption.

You just don’t like the answer he gives.

So here’s your leg to stand on:
Either you believe that the promises of God are fulfilled in Christ,
and that the true Israel is those in Him…

Or you believe in a dual-covenant heresy that offers salvation by bloodline — the very thing Romans 9–11 rejects.

I’ll stand on Paul.
You’re standing on Scofield heresy.

That’s the real issue here.

And until you repent of it, you’ll keep misreading the Word you claim to defend.

No

9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect.

the rest of the chapter is showing God did not make a mistake

salvation was NEVER promised to Israel only.. Yet Israel stated it was given to them only and gentiles could only come in if they did something.

This is the first lie paul exposed.

he continued to expose lies made by jews.. and misunderstanding created by these lies..

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

No

9 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit, 2 that I have great sorrow and continual grief in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my countrymen according to the flesh, 4 who are Israelites, to whom pertain the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God, and the promises; 5 of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect.

the rest of the chapter is showing God did not make a mistake

salvation was NEVER promised to Israel only.. Yet Israel stated it was given to them only and gentiles could only come in if they did something.

This is the first lie paul exposed.

he continued to expose lies made by jews.. and misunderstanding created by these lies..

Let’s dismantle this line-by-line.

“Romans 9 is showing God didn’t make a mistake.”

Correct — but how does Paul prove that?
Not by affirming ethnic Israel’s guaranteed salvation — but by saying:

“It is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” (Rom. 9:6)

That’s his thesis.

God didn’t fail because the promises were never to ethnic Israel by default — they were always to the elect within Israel.

So if you're still clinging to genetics,
you’re actually accusing God of failure —
because you’re assigning His new covenant in Christ
to people who rejected the Son,
and in many cases, aren’t even genetically connected to Abraham at all.

Never mind the fact that 95% of modern Eastern European “Jews” living in Rothschild's False Israel™ —
Ashkenazi, Khazars, Polls, Russians —
have zero DNA connection to Abraham, Moses, or ancient Israel.
They’re not “children of the promise.”
They’re Gentile converts to a religion that rejected the Messiah —
and somehow Scofield wants you to believe they’re chosen? (PT Barnum was right, there's a sucker born every minute)

That’s not theology.
That’s apostasy wrapped in a flag.

“Salvation was never promised to Israel only.”

Agreed — but irrelevant.

The problem Paul addresses is not Gentile inclusion.
It’s why so many Israelites are excluded — and the answer is:

Unbelief.

The entire flow of Romans 9–11 is explaining:

Why most of national Israel rejected Christ (9)
That salvation is by faith, not law or birthright (10)
And that only a remnant is saved, not the entire nation (11)

The Scofield delusion in a nutshell:

They treat Romans 9:4–5 like a badge of eternal privilege,
but Paul immediately crushes it:

“It is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise.” (Rom. 9:8)

And again:

“Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand of the sea, only the remnant will be saved.” (Rom. 9:27)

So if you’re still arguing for some future mass ethnic revival disconnected from faith in Christ —
you’re not preaching the Gospel.

You’re resurrecting a covenant that God already fulfilled in His Son.

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” (Gal. 3:29)
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but inwardly.” (Rom. 2:28-29)
“There is no longer Jew or Greek… for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal. 3:28)

So stop dragging people back under the veil Christ tore in two.

Israel is not a country.
Israel is not a bloodline.
Israel is the Body of Christ — or it is nothing at all.

You can quote Romans 9:1–5 all day.
But unless you actually follow Paul through the chapter,
you’re just doing Scofield’s dirty work while pretending to defend Scripture.