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Israel Bible History Quiz. (Hint; all answers are true).

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Dave L, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Dave L

    Dave L Guest

    1. Circumcision made one the covenant seed of Abraham. True or false?
    2. God told Abraham that any not circumcised were to be cut off. True or false?

    3. Abraham’s seed consisted of over 300 foreigners and their families when God instituted circumcision. True or False?

    4. Ishmael was Abraham’s only blood relative at the time. True or False?

    5. Even though circumcised, Ishmael became a gentile and father of the Edomites after being cut off from the group. True or False?


    6. David on the outs with Saul and facing exile, along with tribal Reuben, Gad, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, feared they would lose membership in Israel if separated from the group. True or False?


    7. So circumcision and inclusion in the group of the circumcised made one Abraham’s physical seed. True or False?


    8. Moses continued the rite of circumcision as given to Abraham. True or False?


    9. Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross ending physical membership in Abraham’s seed/Israel. True or False?


    10. Paul says Jesus is Abraham’s seed along with those who believe in him. True or False?


    11. Abraham’s physical seed were first known as Hebrews, and later as the children of Israel in Egypt. True or False?


    12. When Israel left Egypt, they were a mixed multitude of Jacob’s family and foreigners, all circumcised and called Israel. True or False?

    13. Many gentiles became Jews through circumcision in Esther’s day. True or False?

    14. Circumcision not birth made one a Jew and physical member of Israel until Christ abolished the ritual on the cross. True or False?


    15. Since Christ abolished circumcision and excommunicated unbelievers, only those who trust in Christ are biblical Israel today. True or False?
     
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  2. Mayflower

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    Ya took the fun out of it giving the answer. :D
     
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    I agree. I actually answered "false" on a few of them.
     
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  4. Dave L

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    It would be interesting to find references supporting each conclusion. I have them and might include them in an update. Thanks for reading the post and commenting.
     
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    Hint, all answers are true.


    So Untrue, Maybe, True, balderdash, false, don't know etc. of all the possible answers, are all answers that are true because all answers given are true.

    Understanding the context of Dave is what needs to be answered first before considering answering the quiz questions that Dave poses.

    The hint was given to force everybody doing the quiz
    to agree with the propositions posted by Dave.

    LOL
    I wonder what the size of wheel barrow Dave is pushing today is? True or false or could not care less
     
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  6. Dave L

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    This is elementary bible history. Prove it wrong in any single point using scripture if it is not.
     
  7. Jay Ross

    Jay Ross Well-Known Member

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    Yes Dave but what is the context surrounding you posting this quiz.

    1. Circumcision made one the covenant seed of Abraham. True or false?

    Not all of Israel are of Israel

    2. God told Abraham that any not circumcised were to be cut off. True or false?

    3. Abraham’s seed consisted of over 300 foreigners and their families when God instituted circumcision. True or False?

    Genesis 17:9-14: - 9 And God said to Abraham: "As for you, you shall keep My covenant, you and your descendants after you throughout their generations. 10 This is My covenant which you shall keep, between Me and you and your descendants after you: Every male child among you shall be circumcised; 11 and you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskins, and it shall be a sign of the covenant between Me and you. 12 He who is eight days old among you shall be circumcised, every male child in your generations, he who is born in your house or bought with money from any foreigner who is not your descendant. 13 He who is born in your house and he who is bought with your money must be circumcised, and My covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised male child, who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that person shall be cut off from his people; he has broken My covenant." ​

    Circumcision was a sign of the covenant and it required Abraham and the descendants of Isaac to be circumcised as well as the people within their households.

    4. Ishmael was Abraham’s only blood relative at the time. True or False?

    Who is considered a blood relative?
    Parents, siblings, uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins, nieces and nephews — they're all relatives. A relative can be connected to your family through blood or by marriage. If you are a child or grandchild of Maria's, for example, you are a blood relative of her family.​

    Ishmael was the only person whom Abraham had sired at that point in time, but Ishmael was not the only blood relative of Abraham, alive at that time. Abraham had blood relatives back in and around Haran.

    5. Even though circumcised, Ishmael became a gentile and father of the Edomites after being cut off from the group. True or False?

    Genesis 36:9: - 9 These are the descendants of Esau the father of the Edomites in the hill country of Seir.​

    6. David on the outs with Saul and facing exile, along with tribal Reuben, Gad, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, feared they would lose membership in Israel if separated from the group. True or False?


    7. So circumcision and inclusion in the group of the circumcised made one Abraham’s physical seed. True or False?

    Your question 15 below seems to contradict this question.

    8. Moses continued the rite of circumcision as given to Abraham. True or/and False?

    False in that: -

    Exodus 4:24-26: - 24 And it came to pass on the way, at the encampment, that the Lord met him and sought to kill him. 25 Then Zipporah took a sharp stone and cut off the foreskin of her son and cast it at Moses' feet, and said, "Surely you are a husband of blood to me!" 26 So He let him go. Then she said, "You are a husband of blood!" — because of the circumcision.​

    False in that: -

    Joshua 5:2-7: - 2 At that time the Lord said to Joshua, "Make flint knives for yourself, and circumcise the sons of Israel again the second time." 3 So Joshua made flint knives for himself, and circumcised the sons of Israel at the hill of the foreskins. 4 And this is the reason why Joshua circumcised them: All the people who came out of Egypt who were males, all the men of war, had died in the wilderness on the way, after they had come out of Egypt. 5 For all the people who came out had been circumcised, but all the people born in the wilderness, on the way as they came out of Egypt, had not been circumcised. 6 For the children of Israel walked forty years in the wilderness, till all the people who were men of war, who came out of Egypt, were consumed, because they did not obey the voice of the Lord — to whom the Lord swore that He would not show them the land which the Lord had sworn to their fathers that He would give us, "a land flowing with milk and honey." 7 Then Joshua circumcised their sons whom He raised up in their place; for they were uncircumcised, because they had not been circumcised on the way. ​

    True and False in that in that Moses followed God directive with respect to the Passover and the people did as the Lord had instructed Moses: -

    Exodus 12:43-51: - 43 And the Lord said to Moses and Aaron, "This is the ordinance of the Passover: No foreigner shall eat it. 44 But every man's servant who is bought for money, when you have circumcised him, then he may eat it. 45 A sojourner and a hired servant shall not eat it. 46 In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones. 47 All the congregation of Israel shall keep it. 48 And when a stranger dwells with you and wants to keep the Passover to the Lord, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as a native of the land. For no uncircumcised person shall eat it. 49 One law shall be for the native-born and for the stranger who dwells among you."

    50 Thus all the children of Israel did; as the Lord commanded Moses and Aaron, so they did. 51 And it came to pass, on that very same day, that the Lord brought the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt according to their armies. ​

    9. Jesus abolished circumcision on the cross ending physical membership in Abraham’s seed/Israel. True or False?

    Matthew 5:17-19: - 17 "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

    10. Paul says Jesus is Abraham’s seed along with those who believe in him. True or False?

    ?

    11. Abraham’s physical seed were first known as Hebrews, and later as the children of Israel in Egypt. True or False?

    Both terms are used in Exodus 1 and referenced.

    12. When Israel left Egypt, they were a mixed multitude of Jacob’s family and foreigners, all circumcised and called Israel. True or False?

    The bible is silent as far as I know on this matter.

    13. Many gentiles became Jews through circumcision in Esther’s day. True or False?

    ? A word search for Gentile and or circumcision did not result in any references to confirm or disprove this proposition.

    14. Circumcision not birth made one a Jew and physical member of Israel until Christ abolished the ritual on the cross. True or False?

    See response to q9 ABOVE.

    15. Since Christ abolished circumcision and excommunicated unbelievers, only those who trust in Christ are biblical Israel today. True AND/or False?

    NOW DAVE WHAT IS THE CONTEXT OF YOUR QUESTIONS; WHAT AXE ARE YOU GRINDING TODAY?
     
  8. Enoch111

    Enoch111 Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Dave has an agenda to promote false doctrines at every opportunity. He probably has a Ph.D. in Propaganda. It you repeat a lie sufficient times, it takes on the garb of truth. Just like the Fake News propagandists.
     
  9. Dave L

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    All of this misses the one simple point. Any not circumcised were cut off from Israel, even if they were a direct descendant of Jacob.

    “And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant.” (Genesis 17:14)
     
  10. Jay Ross

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    And you asked a question that was ambiguous. Just because a person was circumcised as required by the words of the covenant, did not make that person the covenant seed of Abraham if their heart was turned away from God.

    As Paul said: -

    Romans 9:6-7: - 6 But it is not that the word of God has taken no effect. For they are not all Israel who are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, "In Isaac your seed shall be called."

    Romans 9:30-33: - 30 What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness of faith; 31 but Israel, pursuing the law of righteousness, has not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Why? Because they did not seek it by faith, but as it were, by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumbling stone. 33 As it is written:

    "Behold, I lay in Zion a stumbling stone and rock of offense,
    And whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." ​

    Being cut off from his people does not mean that God has cut off that person from His covenantal promises.

    It all depends on the contextual glasses that you look at the scriptures through and the argument that you want to elaborate on.

    Again Dave what is the axe you are wanting to grind with this quiz?
     
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