Without giving my personal opinion, does anyone have an apologetic stance on how involved we(USA) should be with Israel, and the issues they face....an example would be with what is currently happening. Assuming issues are inevitable since they are predicted. Just curious to hear others stance.
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ScottA
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This is a huge topic.
Yes, Christians want to support Israel--"pray for the peace of Jerusalem", and rightly so, it is a biblical commandment.
However, there are things going on that are not obvious among the Christian community--or even the Jewish community. That too is biblical. After all, it is foretold that in spite of the best efforts of the church and many good acts, false teachers would enter in with destructive doctrines and cause the believing of a lie and strong delusion. Which is true--yet most in the church will say it has not happened to them, heaven forbid. So, here we are under that delusion--in denial, thinking we're all fine, and yes we should support Israel. Which all sounds good.
There is just one problem--the church doesn't know what it doesn't know: There is a true Israel, and also a counterfeit Israel. And the issue is obscured by those false teachings, and more--way more.
First, there is a true house of Israel that Jesus came for, and "finished" with, and there is also a continued bloodline of their descends. And then there is the delusion part, the counterfeit Israel. And if you really want to know the truth of all this--you have to do a bunch of research to discover what has fooled generations of good God-fearing people for 2,000 years. Don't expect it to be easy--like "Oh, yeah, here's the thing..." It's bigger than that, and no, the delusion is not a farfetched conspiracy--it's biblical.
I have said this before, so I am going to be brief: Around the year 1,200 a Satanic cult known as the Kazarians was stealing Russian children for their sacrifices, and the Russians attacked them, subdued them, forcing them to chose to convert to Christianity or Judaism. They chose a form of Zionism, but continued their Satan worship and practices in secret. They are the ones who petitioned to form a modern state of Israel following WW2 while the restructuring of nations was going on throughout most of Europe. Hearing the news, and following the establishment of what was considered a Jewish state, Jews of the actual Jewish bloodline began migrating there...and supporting the secret Satan worshipers running the government...just as many Christians now also do.
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Let me start with these Biblical passages.
Genesis 12:1-3: - 12:1 Now the Lord had said to Abram:
"Walk away from your country,
{Walk away} From your family
And {Walk away} from your father's house,
To {walk in} an earth that I will show you.
2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And through you all the families inhabiting My fertile soil shall be blessed."
Genesis 28:13-15: - 13 And behold, the Lord stood above it and said: "I am the Lord God of Abraham your father and the God of Isaac; the earth on which you lie I will give this entity to your descendants. 14 Also your descendants shall be as the dust of the earth; you shall spread abroad to the west and the east, to the north and the south; and in you and in your seed all the families inhabiting my fertile soil shall be blessed. 15 Behold, I am with you and will keep you wherever you go and will bring you back to my fertile soil; for I will not leave you until I have done what I have spoken to you."
Genesis 35:9-12: - 9 Then God appeared to Jacob again, when he came from Padan Aram, and blessed him. 10 And God said to him, "Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name." So, He called his name Israel. 11 Also God said to him: "I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body. 12 The earth which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this earth."
Exodus 20:4-6: - 4 "You shall not make for yourself a carved image — any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations/ages of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
Leviticus 26:3-5, 14-17, 40-45: - 3 'If you walk in My statutes and keep My commandments, and perform them, 4 then I will give you rain in its season, the land/earth shall yield its produce, and the trees of the field shall yield their fruit.
5 Your threshing shall last . . . .
14 'But if you do not obey Me, and do not observe all these commandments, 15 and if you despise My statutes, or if your soul abhors My judgments, so that you do not perform all My commandments, but break My covenant, 16 I also will do this to you: I will even appoint terror over you, wasting disease and fever which shall consume the eyes and cause sorrow of heart. And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17 I will set My face against you, and you shall be defeated by your enemies. Those who hate you shall reign over you, and you shall flee when no one pursues you. . . . .
40 'But if they confess their iniquity and the iniquity of their fathers, with their unfaithfulness in which they were unfaithful to Me, and that they also have walked contrary to Me, 41 and that I also have walked contrary to them and have brought them into the countries of their enemies; if their uncircumcised hearts are humbled, and they accept their guilt — 42 then I will remember My covenant with Jacob, and My covenant with Isaac and My covenant with Abraham I will remember; Also the earth I will remember.
43 The earth also shall be left empty by them, and will enjoy its sabbaths while it lies desolate without them; they will accept their guilt, because they despised My judgments and because their soul abhorred My statutes.
44 Yet for all that, when they are in the countries of their enemies, I will not cast them away, nor shall I abhor them, to utterly destroy them and break My covenant with them; for I am the Lord their God.
45 But for their sake I will remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought out of the country of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God: I am the Lord.'"
Deuteronomy 28-31 also outlines the circumstances for the nation of Israel during the fifth and six ages of mankind where the sixth age still has around 20 years to run.
Both the Leviticus and Deuteronomy outline the circumstance for Israel at this present time. God’s promise is that He will gather the Nation of Israel to Himself where they are scattered through the whole earth so that they can be His possession among the nations and a Blessing for all of the peoples of the earth who will chose to inhabit His fertile soil/field.
In twenty year’s time, all the kings of the earth will be judged and gathered together and imprisoned in the Bottomless pit to await the time of their punishment. It is after this that all of Israel will be redeemed by God.
God will bless those who have blessed Israel and those who have cursed Israel will be cursed by God.
When God gathers Israel to Himself he will remove from the face of the earth all of the evil beasts of the fields and establish a covenant of peace with Israel for around 1,000 years during the Summer Season of the Harvest of Souls. Israel during the last age/generation will become a blessing for all of the peoples of the earth who chose to also worship God.
Shalom
Big Boy Johnson
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Very simple, when the US supports Israel things go better for the US
When the US does not support Israel things start going badly for the US
Genesis 12:3
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
This is part of the covenant God made with Abraham which is applicable to his descendants and God watches over His Word to perform it (Jeremiah 1:12), and He changes not (Malachi 3:6)
Israel is the only Democratic Nation in the Area ! and the rest is not ! but the Satanic Socialist ! work towards Mans workings of things, rejecting God in fact !
So we see within the State Israel, we have a huge problem, in regards Jews haveing no regards OT God in fact ! and they are only Socialist in fact ! and they worship Mans works, because they are Carnal dupes !
To see the State of Israel wiped out or under the Power of the so called 2 State solution is an Abomination ! because the worthy Jews of the OT will be gone ! That's not good !
And Zlenesky has another Israel in Ukraine for them and he calles it Big Israel ! but this bastard Ukraine so called big Israel is full of Nazis in fact ! and we all know that Nazi Germany was run by the so called Zionist Jews ! Oh the Media never did inform you of that !
So the bastard type of so called Jews are about and they are not worthy of the OT in fact and just as their are so called Christians who are not worthy of Christ Jesus at all in fact, for Jesus will say to them, I never knew you !
So Israel PM Ben is correct and we should back him up !
The Socialist in Israel have been trying every dirty rtick to kick PM Ben out of office for how long now ! For such fools have no regards the State of Israel ! for they believe that it will become a big love fest for all ! a Islam and Jew love afair ? NO ! that will only become a Socialist dupes fest. that Islam will walk streight through ! and kill all of the Jews !
You will see it will be just as you were hidden to truly be able to see what went on with Kuwait ? the media did not show you did they, why ? because people in the West are to stupid to handle the facts of the Truth ! so they hide it from you all in fact !
The same deal with BandAid, when Bob gave all of that money over to a Dictator so They could wipe out a whole Tribe of Negros in fact ! we knew what was going to happen their as well beforhand, but the Media shut everyone down in fact, no one could say the obvious in fact ! they would threat anyone with the good old tactics like the racism card etc so as Too shut everyone up ! pure Devils ! but they had to admit they did the wrong thing years later ! but most peoples memorys are so short.
Everyone of them people killed is on your head if you suported such or gave money to Bob ! and you should repent ! and repent means you are awake to such dealings, so never again !
Them Jews will be wiped out if Trump does not back him up !
The West, Europe will pay for their ignorance !
For They are what they call Anti-Semits in fact !
See how easy it was for the Socialist West to turn.
It's Only Trump who will save the Jews in fact ! The rest are just a Satanic Socialist creep show in fact ! why am I not suprised !
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