Israeli/Palestinian Conflict

[Prayer Warrior]

Such was the case in Iraq... until things went bad there. Sadaam Hussein was a bad guy...but he was actually fair to some groups like Christians and Jews and research scientist (education) . They were protected by the government until the government was replaced by the US.

I have often wondered why the West has upset the applecart in the Middle East. It's true that they have deposed dictators, but in doing so, they've clearly destabilized the region. It seems that every American president has participated in this beginning with taking out the Shah of Iran in the '70's. Must be some globalist agenda....

 

[JohnDB]

I have often wondered why the West has upset the applecart in the Middle East. It's true that they have deposed dictators, but in doing so, they destabilized the region. It seems that every American president has participated in this beginning with the Shah of Iran in the '70's. Must be some globalist agenda....

It began in the late '50's and early '60's.
LB Johnson. (The liar in chief of the pentagon papers)
It was furthered by Nixon, Ford and Carter...

And by the time Reagan came along it was really entrenched.
Carter actually did more to erase the work of previous admin's...but whatever.

Basically we need to have a stable energy supply around the world. Nobody wants to have Europe and an emerging China starving for energy because it restricts trade and keeps those nations actually subservient to OPEC.

Now one of those middle eastern countries could overthrow their neighbor and the combined supply of oil and rescources could quickly become an energy superpower after taking (by war) their neighbors.

So we (and others) did what we could to keep them all equally armed and mistrustful of each other.
And they pretty much did the program we had laid out. Iran, Iraq, Saudis, and Southern Turkey all don't exactly get along. Kuwait was another one...(they are so small I keep forgetting them)

It was a lesson learned from WW2 and part of the strategy that defeated the Axis Powers.

When Sadaam Hussein attacked Kuwait it wasn't for "Just Because..."
We told them how much money to let Sadaam have at any one time. They were holding back Billions of dollars of oil revenue. Kuwait wasn't spending/stealing it...just holding on to it.
Sadaam was wanting something super expensive to do something naughty with. (Nuclear weapons, advanced weapons systems or something)
We didn't want him to gain military advantage over Iran. (Long war history there)

Now this is why Sadaam started attacking the Kurds when he lost. The Kurds actually can easily be the unifying force that could become an Energy superpower.
(My brother is always my brother even if he is a resident of another country)

So...
Currently there's a mess going on over there. Iran is developing nuclear weapons but under severe sanctions. (Everyone misses the Saffron)
Iraq is in shambles and so Muslim controlled by extremists they have killed their own economy.
Syria has been destroyed by ISIL/ISIS.

The Governments in that region are barely hanging on. The destruction from Covid-19 has not helped one bit.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

It began in the late '50's and early '60's.
LB Johnson. (The liar in chief of the pentagon papers)
It was furthered by Nixon, Ford and Carter...

And by the time Reagan came along it was really entrenched.
Carter actually did more to erase the work of previous admin's...but whatever.

Basically we need to have a stable energy supply around the world. Nobody wants to have Europe and an emerging China starving for energy because it restricts trade and keeps those nations actually subservient to OPEC.

Now one of those middle eastern countries could overthrow their neighbor and the combined supply of oil and rescources could quickly become an energy superpower after taking (by war) their neighbors.

So we (and others) did what we could to keep them all equally armed and mistrustful of each other.
And they pretty much did the program we had laid out. Iran, Iraq, Saudis, and Southern Turkey all don't exactly get along. Kuwait was another one...(they are so small I keep forgetting them)

It was a lesson learned from WW2 and part of the strategy that defeated the Axis Powers.

When Sadaam Hussein attacked Kuwait it wasn't for "Just Because..."
We told them how much money to let Sadaam have at any one time. They were holding back Billions of dollars of oil revenue. Kuwait wasn't spending/stealing it...just holding on to it.
Sadaam was wanting something super expensive to do something naughty with. (Nuclear weapons, advanced weapons systems or something)
We didn't want him to gain military advantage over Iran. (Long war history there)

Now this is why Sadaam started attacking the Kurds when he lost. The Kurds actually can easily be the unifying force that could become an Energy superpower.
(My brother is always my brother even if he is a resident of another country)

So...
Currently there's a mess going on over there. Iran is developing nuclear weapons but under severe sanctions. (Everyone misses the Saffron)
Iraq is in shambles and so Muslim controlled by extremists they have killed their own economy.
Syria has been destroyed by ISIL/ISIS.

The Governments in that region are barely hanging on. The destruction from Covid-19 has not helped one bit.

Interesting assessment! Sounds like a bunch of little boys playing with plastic soldiers. As they say, boys will be boys!

 

[Truman]

All of the conflict (as best as I can determine and remember) goes back to before WWI.

As anti-semitism rose in Europe the Jews became zealous for the former land known as Israel but currently at that time controlled by the Ottoman Empire.
The Jews as a people during that time had established themselves as pawnbroker/banking institutions all over Europe. State controlled banking really didn't exist at that time. Jews have bad habits of usury with Gentiles.

But...

The Jews then tried to purchase huge sections of desert and other properties in Israel. Usually such real estate purchases were fraudulent. People were selling land they did not own. The Ottoman Empire knew what was going on but didn't care because of their own anti-semitism.

After WW2 some of the land Israel used to occupy during the Old Testament period was carved into the nation Israel.

What is interesting to note that it primarily consisted of what land the Philistines once occupied.

Britain/UK was to oversee them as a territory. But they weren't exactly ethical in their dealings with Israel...they kinda sucked as many assets as they could from the area while only providing marginal protection from their marauding neighbors.
(The Jews whining loudly non-stop the whole time)

In truth the place was a desert with few rescources and very little infrastructure...there wasn't many people residing there either when the newly formed UN carved it out.

Now the whole world of the Ottoman Empire was in shambles and so were it's neighbors. Governments were very weak from losing two world wars back to back.
A group of "brigands" and their families decided that together they could harrass the Egyptian government and actually take over the country. They used a mixture of religion, political rhetoric, and conspiracy theories to destabilize the Government of Egypt.
Egypt then started driving them out... slaughtering them wholesale in the process.
They scrambled out and went north to Syria and began the very same thing as they had in Egypt with the very same Goals in mind. They never stopped in Israel because there really wasn't anyone or anything much there at the time except for British Soldiers standing guard over a few thousand Jews living in tents. (Nothing but trouble as far as they were concerned)

Syria put up with them for a couple of years but then decided to do as Egypt had. So this group went East into Jordan...which they decided was going to be easier. During this time the Jews finally got rid of the UK oversight.
Jordan and Israel's other neighbors all attacked but the Jews were backed up by US surplus war supplies. Israel took back all former David's Kingdom borders... mostly high ground areas (west bank and etc)

Then this group of rabble raisers were in the start of destabilizing the Jordanian King's rule. He was weakened by losing to Israel. So...he took a tactical decision of offering them the land Israel took from them during the war but they could stay and get slaughtered if they wanted.

So guess what?

These "Palestinians" are from everywhere... Yasser Arafat was a Tunisian. Never was from Palestinian lands. Neither was anyone else in Palestine. There were a few people there when it became Israel. Most stayed...a few sold their property and left. (This time real estate sales were real) but the Moslems liked the creation of an infrastructure and hospitals. They loved it. They also wanted access to the Dome of the Rock. (2nd holiest site in Muslim)

The Jews were scared of the Temple Mount because of the Holy of Holies is there. They didn't want to go near it without the ashes of a red heifer...and they had none.

I had a sketchy view of this but you filled in a lot for me. Thanks.