It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the DOGS

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Matt 15:

21 Jesus went away from there and withdrew to the district of Tyre and Sidon.
That's a deliberate move. Jesus was in a gentile country.

22 And behold, a Canaanite woman from that region came out and was crying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David; my daughter is severely oppressed by a demon.” 23 But he did not answer her a word.
Jesus was testing her.

And his disciples came and begged him, saying, “Send her away, for she is crying out after us.” 24He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” 25 But she came and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, help me.”
She humbled herself before Jesus. She passed the first obstacle. Now comes the second:

26 And he answered, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.”
Strong's Greek: 2952. κυνάριον (kunarion) — 4 Occurrences

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little dog, dog Mt 15:26f; Mk 7:27f house-dogs that eat the scraps
Jews were the children. Gentiles were dogs. However, Jesus used the diminutive form of the word, which means house-dogs and not street-dogs. Jesus continued to test her.

Did Jesus call her a dog?

She did not react to "dogs" negatively and thereby failed the test. She agreed with the terminology.

27 She said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters’ table.”
She passed the test. She was humble and had faith.

28 Then Jesus answered her, “O woman, great is your faith! Be it done for you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed instantly.
Jesus praised her, and she had a happy outcome.
 
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Matt 15:


That's a deliberate move. Jesus was in a gentile country.


Jesus was testing her.


She humbled herself before Jesus. She passed the first obstacle. Now comes the second:


Strong's Greek: 2952. κυνάριον (kunarion) — 4 Occurrences

BDAG:


Jews were the children. Gentiles were dogs. However, Jesus used the diminutive form of the word, which means house-dogs and not street-dogs. Jesus continued to test her.

Did Jesus call her a dog?

She did not react to "dogs" negatively and thereby failed the test. She agreed with the terminology.


She passed the test. She was humble and had faith.


Jesus praised her, and she had a happy outcome.
I don't know why someone would give a child's bread to a dog, except as a punishment. I'm not sure that's a good punishment, though I've heard the expression, "go to bed without your supper."
 

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Matt 15:


That's a deliberate move. Jesus was in a gentile country.


Jesus was testing her.


She humbled herself before Jesus. She passed the first obstacle. Now comes the second:


Strong's Greek: 2952. κυνάριον (kunarion) — 4 Occurrences

BDAG:


Jews were the children. Gentiles were dogs. However, Jesus used the diminutive form of the word, which means house-dogs and not street-dogs. Jesus continued to test her.

Did Jesus call her a dog?

She did not react to "dogs" negatively and thereby failed the test. She agreed with the terminology.


She passed the test. She was humble and had faith.


Jesus praised her, and she had a happy outcome.
I suggest the word could mean little cats, but only dogs are known to slobber over bread.
 

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Are you sure it was just the women that was being tested ?
It strikes me that Jesus was teaching his own disciples new things, they asked if he would send the women away - they didn’t think she was worthy of anything. His silence could have been to draw out what he knew his disciples were thinking.
 

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Matt 15:


That's a deliberate move. Jesus was in a gentile country.


Jesus was testing her.


She humbled herself before Jesus. She passed the first obstacle. Now comes the second:


Strong's Greek: 2952. κυνάριον (kunarion) — 4 Occurrences

BDAG:


Jews were the children. Gentiles were dogs. However, Jesus used the diminutive form of the word, which means house-dogs and not street-dogs. Jesus continued to test her.

Did Jesus call her a dog?

She did not react to "dogs" negatively and thereby failed the test. She agreed with the terminology.


She passed the test. She was humble and had faith.


Jesus praised her, and she had a happy outcome.
For the record, Jesus did not ask any one of us favor to powder coat sweet His plain words. He literally meant dog, as in other quote, one cannot be given what is good, cause it will only turn around and bite you.

The very nature of dog found in Gentiles witnessed by GOD and mentioned, it is not a test. GOD's visitation through Christ with the Gospel on that day is for the Israelites and not for the Gentiles.

That's why He denied her excess to what was meant for children and not for dogs. She didn't take it as an insult but rather wisely as an opportunity to demonstrate faith, even one with dog nature.

It is her faith that award her the first Gentile i suppose, Jesus' attention and power of healing for her daughter.
 
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All you guys have to do is look a little more, and see that it is right to fill the children first, and the dogs receive also, as the woman answered, and as Jesus had given a way in HIs words for her to answer.



Mark 7:27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
 

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Israel as filled, and their heart was exalted, therefore they forgot God. ( as Israel has forgotten God until now and very much right now)

The hungry soul seeks to be filled, hungering and thirsting after righteousness...



Proverbs 27:7 The full soul loatheth an honeycomb; but to the hungry soul every bitter thing is sweet.


Hosea 13:6 According to their pasture, so were they filled; they were filled, and their heart was exalted; therefore have they forgotten me.


Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.