Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Davy]

So you think that Jesus was trying to sit on David's physical throne which had been destroyed more than 500 years previously.

Was He successful?

Please let us know.

From Scripture.

You are only mocking about a matter you have NO clue about.

Just because David's throne ended in Jerusalem at the time when Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, killed Zedekiah, king of Judah, does not mean David's throne was not setup elsewhere on earth. It's ending specifically at Jerusalem was only the first "overturn". There's been 2 more after that before it wound up where it is now ON EARTH. And I ain't gonna' tell you where it is on earth today either, since you MOCK God's written Word about it, even others here know about it and understand what I'm talking about. I hope they don't reveal it to you either.

 

[Davy]

I did, actually.

No, you only quoted HALF of the sentence I wrote.

I know what you said. Nobody here is saying it's just a figure of speech. Nobody.

Saying David's throne was moved to Heaven with Jesus is... a figure of speech, simply because there is NO BIBLE SCRIPTURE THAT DECLARES David's throne was moved to Heaven. Thus that idea is an assumption from men's doctrines, not written in God's Word.

FURTHERMORE, the Matthew 19:28 verse of what Lord Jesus said CONFIRMS that He is not yet sitting upon David's throne...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

By that Jesus set a CONDITION for WHEN He will sit upon David's throne, which is an earthly throne that He shall inherit from His flesh descendant king David.

But you obviously REJECT that above Bible Scripture so you can instead follow an unwritten doctrine of men.

 

[Scott Downey]

Acts 2
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

According to the foregoing, at the resurrection of Christ, He was raised up to sit on whose throne?

Yes, exactly whose Son is He?

Jesus asked this of the Jewish leaders and they naturally think David, Christ says no.

Jesus tells us where He will sit and it is not on an earthly throne of David

Matthew 22

41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,

42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.

43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,

44 The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.
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Ever think when talking to some people, they are just like Jewish pharisees in their thoughts?

 

[covenantee]

You are only mocking about a matter you have NO clue about.

Just because David's throne ended in Jerusalem at the time when Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, killed Zedekiah, king of Judah, does not mean David's throne was not setup elsewhere on earth. It's ending specifically at Jerusalem was only the first "overturn". There's been 2 more after that before it wound up where it is now ON EARTH. And I ain't gonna' tell you where it is on earth today either, since you MOCK God's written Word about it, even others here know about it and understand what I'm talking about. I hope they don't reveal it to you either.

Your futurized imaginary, temporal, carnal "throne".

If you know where it is, you can instantly legitimize and validate your premil and millennium by disclosing its location and producing it for confirmation.

But you don't know and you can't know. Because it's rather difficult to disclose and confirm something which is only imaginary.

Namely your "throne".

Your "throne".

A fantasy, a fallacy, a farce, and a fraud.

Go peddle it elsewhere to those as deceived as you.

Acts 2
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

According to the foregoing, at the resurrection of Christ, He was raised up to sit on whose throne?

At His resurrection, not in a futurized fantasy millennium.

 

[WPM]

No, you only quoted HALF of the sentence I wrote.



Saying David's throne was moved to Heaven with Jesus is... a figure of speech, simply because there is NO BIBLE SCRIPTURE THAT DECLARES David's throne was moved to Heaven. Thus that idea is an assumption from men's doctrines, not written in God's Word.

FURTHERMORE, the Matthew 19:28 verse of what Lord Jesus said CONFIRMS that He is not yet sitting upon David's throne...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

By that Jesus set a CONDITION for WHEN He will sit upon David's throne, which is an earthly throne that He shall inherit from His flesh descendant king David.

But you obviously REJECT that above Bible Scripture so you can instead follow an unwritten doctrine of men.

As usual, you totally avoid the biblical evidence presented and just promote your own stuff

 

[PinSeeker]

No, you only quoted HALF of the sentence I wrote.

No, but if I had, that would have been enough to expose it for what it was.

Saying David's throne was moved to Heaven with Jesus is... a figure of speech...

Okay, well even so, that's not what I said.

...there is NO BIBLE SCRIPTURE THAT DECLARES David's throne was moved to Heaven.

No, neither in the sense that it was "moved," nor in the sense in which you think of David's throne.

FURTHERMORE, the Matthew 19:28 verse of what Lord Jesus said CONFIRMS that He is not yet sitting upon David's throne...

Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

<chuckles> Like I have said, Davy, your understanding of "sitting on the throne" ~ and the throne itself ~ is far too... small.

But you obviously REJECT that above Bible Scripture...

Absolutely not; but I do reject your small-minded perception and understanding of it.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[PinSeeker]

I don't think most of them are dishonest.

Most of them are well-meaning Christians.

Same as any cult member though...

They're not cult members. They're just wrong. But that doesn't make them less Christian than you or me or any other Christian.

Found this.

The great thing about the internet is, you can find anything on it. But the terrible thing about the internet is, you can find anything on it. <smile>

Earlier was reading another, if I find again, will update post

No need. Thanks, though. Grace and peace to you.

 

[Scott Downey]

Most of them are well-meaning Christians.


They're not cult members. They're just wrong. But that doesn't make them less Christian than you or me or any other Christian.


The great thing about the internet is, you can find anything on it. But the terrible thing about the internet is, you can find anything on it. <smile>


No need. Thanks, though. Grace and peace to you

Because they are in cultic points of view does not mean they are not saved, God knows His own people. I think the promises of God is that He will shows His people the truth and they will be corrected, if they persist in errors in this life then the one to come. We do not want anyone to lose a full reward so we should be like Paul here,

2 Timothy 4​

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21st Century King James Version​

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1 I charge thee therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at His appearing and His Kingdom:

2 preach the Word; be instant in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but having itching ears, they shall heap to themselves teachers in accordance with their own lusts.
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned toward fables.
5 But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill thy ministry.

6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7 I have fought a good fight; I have finished my course; I have kept the faith.
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness which the Lord, the righteous Judge, shall give me on that Day — and not to me only, but unto all those also who love His appearing.

9 Use diligence to come shortly unto me,
10 for Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and has departed unto Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus unto Dalmatia.
11 Only Luke is with me. Take Mark and bring him with thee, for he is profitable to me for the ministry.
12 And Tychicus have I sent to Ephesus.
13 The cloak that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

14 Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil; the Lord reward him according to his works.
15 Beware thou also of him, for he hath greatly withstood our words.
16 At my first answer no man stood with me, but all men forsook me. I pray God that it may not be laid to their charge.
17 Notwithstanding, the Lord stood with me and strengthened me, that by me the preaching might be fully known, and that all the Gentiles might hear. And I was delivered out of the mouth of the lion.
18 And the Lord shall deliver me from every evil work and will preserve me unto His heavenly Kingdom, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

19 Salute Prisca and Aquila and the household of Onesiphorus.
20 Erastus remained at Corinth, but Trophimus I have left sick at Miletus.
21 Try with diligence to come before winter. Eubulus greeteth thee, and Pudens and Linus and Claudia and all the brethren.
22 The Lord Jesus Christ be with thy spirit. Grace be with you. Amen.

 

[shepherdsword]

You are adding unto the text to support the error of Premil. You do that with multiple Scriptures. That is because you have zero corroboration for Premillennialism. You butcher the text to support your teaching. You play with words like the politicians to make white black and right wrong.

The text couldn't be clearer: "of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne [referring to Psalms 132:12]; he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ."

Sorry for bursting your bubble, but, this doesn't allow for any Premil tampering. It is watertight. It is irrefutable, as your inability to refute it proves.

LOL....I clearly showed what was meant by Christ sitting on David's throne. He was resurrected to do so. It doesn't mean his resurrection was the kingdom. The fact is, the scripture clearly defines the borders of Davis kingdom and who would sit on the throne. It is amils that offer some convoluted metaphoric spin to deny that reality. Sorry....you fail.

 

[Scott Downey]

LOL....I clearly showed what was meant by Christ sitting on David's throne. He was resurrected to do so. It doesn't mean his resurrection was the kingdom. The fact is, the scripture clearly defines the borders of Davis kingdom and who would sit on the throne. It is amils that offer some convoluted metaphoric spin to deny that reality. Sorry....you fail.

Do you also say Christ is the son of David?
As a son would inherit the kingdom.

 

[shepherdsword]

I see you also sidestepped my rebuttal of your claims on Acts 1.

Acts 1:6-7 does not mention a future millennium. You're forcing that into the text. You do that with multiple Scriptures, because the Bible does not teach a future millennium. Such an interpretation is definitely not in keeping with the context of the narrative or the actual subject matter under discussion relating to the spiritual empowerment of the Church at Pentecost in order to effectively take the Gospel to the nations. Neither is it consistent with our Lord’s clear and continuous teaching on the kingdom as a spiritual entity, which was ushered in with the commencement of His earthly ministry.

The writer of the book of Acts, in Acts 1:3, highlights the context of our Lord’s teaching (post-Calvary) on the spiritual kingdom of God, saying, “he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.”

Whilst there is no definite amplification of this brief reference to the kingdom of God, there is no exegetical or theological warrant to believe that the message of the kingdom of God, which was evidently widely preached throughout these forty days, related to anything other than the same spiritual message of the kingdom of God that He so extensively and thoroughly preached prior to the cross.

The kingdom of God that Christ introduced was of a spiritual nature. This absolutely confounded the Pharisees and their misguided earthly carnal concept of the Messianic kingdom.

The two verses that go before Acts 1:6 (relating to the disciples’ question) support the idea of a spiritual kingdom. The two verses that follow Acts 1:6 (relating to the disciples’ question) show the Lord giving a spiritual response to their question.

Before the question came Christ was exhorting the disciples on the need for patience as they awaited the empowerment of the Holy Ghost to take the Gospel out to “the whosoever.” Everything about the context is spiritual. The Lord was stating “that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence” (Acts 1:4-5).

Surely an unbiased look at these introductory comments would give us insight into what the Lord was teaching and what actually provoked the question that followed it. Undoubtedly the Lord was giving spiritual instruction about a spiritual kingdom that would shortly come with great power and fire? This is not territorial language.

What is “the Promise of the Father” here? Is it a material physical kingdom or is it a spiritual heavenly kingdom? Is it a millennial kingdom similar to this evil age, filled with death and rebellion, or was He speaking of the power of the Holy Ghost that would fall upon the disciples to empower them to bring the good news of Christ to all nations – starting in Jerusalem?

Evidently, Christ was referring to the day of Pentecost where the Church received its Holy Ghost baptism of fire. The whole discourse here is spiritual and revolved around the development of this spiritual kingdom subsequent to Christ’s ascension. Jesus confirms this again in Luke 24:46-49: “Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. And ye are witnesses of these things. And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power (or dunamis) from on high.”

The promise of the Father was the baptism of the Holy Ghost, which was a power from on high that endued them for service.

Jesus had previously said to the disciples in Mark 9:1: “Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power (or dunamis).”

Christ was speaking of Pentecost. He said the disciples would not die until they had “seen the kingdom come with power” – referring here the Church's baptism of fire to win a lost world. It didn't mean they would die when that happened.

The disciples then interjected with a question: “Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?”

Premillennialists attribute much extravagant, extensive and grandiose detail to this simple question. They build a whole school of thought pertaining to a supposed period after the second coming out of this basic inquiry. They call it a millennial age and make it a Jewish-orientated kingdom. Nevertheless, and significantly, New Testament Scripture knows nothing of such an old-covenant-type Jewish age. That has been reduced to the history books.

What Premillennialists fail to see is: there is no mention of a future period after the second coming in the question, neither is there any intimation of that. There is not even any mention of the second coming, never mind a belief in a thousand-year reign of Christ on a still corrupt earth! No one could derive such a doctrine from this straightforward question. It would have to be taught elsewhere for it to enjoy veracity.

The most that we could take from this is that they may indeed have anticipated the introduction of a parochial, territorial and old-covenant-type physical kingdom. But that is far from a foregone conclusion. We can only, at best, speculate on that. Even if that was their assumption, that in no way proves that it was a legitimate hope. The disciples were often misguided in their expectations and narrow-minded in their tribal aspirations. They frequently saw no further than the borders of Israel. We see that played in the book of Acts, with their reluctance to advance the Gospel to the Gentiles.

It is hard to read the motives and intention of the question. Many times, the disciples were not getting the full meaning of Christ's teaching. He sent His whole ministry correcting and re-directing them. So it could have been a patriotic desire. But Christ's response nails it. That is what is key, not the disciples question. Premils tend to ignore the context and response and just talk about one verse in this narrative. That is because it suits their theology.

Regardless, it doesn’t really matter what the disciples thought, we need to rather ascertain what Christ thought and taught. We should remember: that this question came in the midst of a spiritual discourse about the kingdom of God arriving in power at Pentecost. Christ's reply is key. It is powerful. It is direct. It nails the literalist’s interpretation of this in a carnal earthly sense.

Bible students can speculate all they want as to what was going on in the disciples’ heads. They could debate over whether they were grasping the spiritual thrust of Christ’s teaching about them being part of a spiritual renewal in Israel and further afield, or whether they anticipated the Pharisaical hope of the Messiah overthrowing the Romans and reigning on a physical throne in Jerusalem. Notwithstanding, the most important aspect of this text is not the disciples question, it is Christ’s response.

Whilst it is difficult to understand the thinking of the disciples here, what is clear is what Christ was saying before the question and what Christ said after the question. That is more important than the disciples question. This gives us context to the question. This gives us perspective on what the kingdom really looked like.

Jesus reply to the disciples is telling. He responded: “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power. But ye shall receive power (or dunamis), after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth” (Acts 1:7-8)

Christ did in no way here ignore or dismiss the disciples’ query about natural Israel, as some would have us believe, rather the contrary, He directly addressed it in His response. In doing so, He reiterated His earlier teaching on the impending spiritual empowerment that would come upon the kingdom, just prior to the disciples’ interjection; only now He geographically confirmed that the spread of that message would embrace the actual nation of Israel (the locations of “Jerusalem,” “Judaea” and “Samaria” being identified). Nonetheless, in His response, He went further, widening out the disciples limited vision, which was still very localized, to encompass “the uttermost part of the earth.”

This is no where in the text. It is not difficult to understand what the APOSLTES were thinking here. They were expecting the Messianic kingdom. Jesus put that on hold to evangelize the world first. He will return on the thousand day long "Day of the Lord" Establish the millennial kingdom, hand it up to the Father, who will create a new heaven an new earth. All within the thousand day long, Day of the Lord.

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus had to be made like His brethren
But Christ is no longer flesh and blood human being
And neither will we, we shall all be changed

1 Cor 15

50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a [m]mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

55 “O[n] Death, where is your sting?
O Hades, where is your victory?”

Hebrews 2
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. 11 For both He who [g]sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren, 12 saying:

“I will declare Your name to My brethren;
In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”
13 And again:

“I will put My trust in Him.”
And again:

“Here am I and the children whom God has given Me.”
14 Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16 For indeed He does not [h]give aid to angels, but He does [i]give aid to the seed of Abraham. 17 Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that He Himself has suffered, being [j]tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.

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So maybe people should be focused on the kingdom of God, and not their flesh.

 

[Lizbeth]

How can He be reigning over the nations given to Him as His inheritance when the kingdoms of this world [o kosmos] are not now [nyn] His Kingdom but will become His Kingdom when the seventh trumpet sounds? Why does scripture tell us (not you or Amillennial theology but scripture) that we do not yet see all things placed under His feet?

Jesus is ruling and reigning the nations now....those of all nations who know Him, His church. We always need to have "ears to hear" what the Spirit is saying. He is not talking about earthly visible things but of a heavenly/spiritual kingdom. As we are to have our eyes fixed not on what is seen but on what is unseen.

And here is what "all things under His feet" will look like at His return:

(Just coming to this thread now and haven’t read all the comments, but just want to post these scriptures in case it is helpful with this topic.)

Mat 13:38-43

The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.



Which agrees with this:

Heb 12:25-29

See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

For our God is a consuming fire.



And which also agree with this:

Luk 17:20

And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


Jesus said something similar about His coming too….that there will be false christs and we should not believe those who say lo here he is or there.

 

[Zao is life]

Jesus is ruling and reigning the nations now

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

For our God is a consuming fire.

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire. Hebrews 12

Are you saying that the above kingdom is already here?

Jesus is ruling and reigning the nations now

 

[Lizbeth]

27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
29 For our God is a consuming fire. Hebrews 12

Are you saying that the above kingdom is already here?

Yes, I believe for sure it's here within/among His people as He said....Jesus and the apostles were preaching the gospel of the kingdom which was "nigh" and "at hand" already at that time to be received by whosoever will way back then......but also is coming. It says there we are "receivING" a kingdom which cannot be shaken (because it is not a temporal earthly kingdom, but spiritual)....we as believers have received it, and are in process of receiving it and also will receive it. 1 Cor 15 says Jesus must reign (now in this age) until all His enemies are put under His feet...the last enemy to be defeated is death, which will occur at the resurrection of the dead and we inherit eternal life. So it's also a process or journey as long as we have breath in this life.

When we are walking in the Spirit, we are walking in the kingdom of God to whatever degree or depth we are walking in the Spirit. The kingdom of God has different ways and laws and is a different paradigm from the earthly, since it is above the earthly realm.....it overcomes and rules over the earthly so to speak.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yes, I believe for sure it's here within/among His people as He said....Jesus and the apostles were preaching the gospel of the kingdom which was "nigh" and "at hand" already at that time to be received by whosoever will way back then......but also is coming. It says there we are "receivING" a kingdom which cannot be shaken (because it is not a temporal earthly kingdom, but spiritual)....we as believers have received it, and are in process of receiving it and also will receive it. 1 Cor 15 says Jesus must reign (now in this age) until all His enemies are put under His feet...the last enemy to be defeated is death, which will occur at the resurrection of the dead and we inherit eternal life. So it's also a process or journey as long as we have breath in this life.

When we are walking in the Spirit, we are walking in the kingdom of God to whatever degree or depth we are walking in the Spirit. The kingdom of God has different ways and laws and is a different paradigm from the earthly, since it is above the earthly realm.....it overcomes and rules over the earthly so to speak.

Yes, and we get a NEW earth to hold the New Jerusalem, which is in heaven for now the city of the Living God

Revelation 21
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, [a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

6 And He said to me, “It[c] is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes, and we get a NEW earth to hold the New Jerusalem, which is in heaven for now the city of the Living God

Revelation 21
Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea. 2 Then I, [a]John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. God Himself will be with them and be their God. 4 And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

5 Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold, I make all things new.” And He said [b]to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

6 And He said to me, “It[c] is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

Amen. And New Jerusalem is a heavenly city, ie, spiritual, not earthly. "New" and "renew" in scripture signifies being made spiritual, like our new man is a spiritual man, whereas our old man is earthly. I don't consider that it is a literal city, but symbolic of what we were "born" of, heavenly Zion, the Spirit of God, and what we are now citizens of (God's heavenlyh kingdom) as opposed to our natural earthly birth and being citizens of an earthly nation or city.

 

[Scott Downey]

Amen. And New Jerusalem is a heavenly city, ie, spiritual, not earthly. "New" and "renew" in scripture signifies being made spiritual, like our new man is a spiritual man, whereas our old man is earthly. I don't consider that it is a literal city, but symbolic of what we were "born" of, heavenly Zion, the Spirit of God, and what we are now citizens of (God's heavenlyh kingdom) as opposed to our natural earthly birth and being citizens of an earthly nation or city.

God says He will dwell in Zion Psalm 132:32

He won't be dwelling on this world., not of the world is His throne and kingdom

God says He will rebuild the tabernacle of David, not the temple worship system of Solomon, (Ezekiel's Temple, animal sacrifices, renewed Judaism). which the dispensationalists promote.

When David had the ark in His tent, there was no dividing curtain to the Holy of Holies, as was present in Solomon's temple
The way to the Prescence of God was open, even to the gentiles.

When God struck UZZAH reaching to stabilize the ark, it went to the house of Obededom, a gentile farmer, whom God then blesses greatly.
You can read what the Tabernacle of Davis was about in 2 Samual 6, which the apostles in Acts 15 teach us about for the gentiles.

Psalm 132

Lord, remember David
And all his afflictions;
2 How he swore to the Lord,
And vowed to the Mighty One of Jacob:
3 “Surely I will not go into the chamber of my house,
Or go up to the comfort of my bed;
4 I will not give sleep to my eyes
Or slumber to my eyelids,
5 Until I find a place for the Lord,
A dwelling place for the Mighty One of Jacob.”
6 Behold, we heard of it in Ephrathah;
We found it in the fields of [a]the woods.
7 Let us go into His tabernacle;
Let us worship at His footstool.
8 Arise, O Lord, to Your resting place,
You and the ark of Your strength.
9 Let Your priests be clothed with righteousness,
And let Your saints shout for joy.
10 For Your servant David’s sake,
Do not turn away the face of Your [b]Anointed.
11 The Lord has sworn in truth to David;
He will not turn from it:
“I will set upon your throne the [c]fruit of your body.
12 If your sons will keep My covenant
And My testimony which I shall teach them,
Their sons also shall sit upon your throne forevermore.”
13 For the Lord has chosen Zion;
He has desired it for His [d]dwelling place:
14 “This is My resting place forever;
Here I will dwell, for I have desired it.
15 I will abundantly bless her [e]provision;
I will satisfy her poor with bread.
16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation,
And her saints shall shout aloud for joy.
17 There I will make the [f]horn of David grow;
I will prepare a lamp for My [g]Anointed.
18 His enemies I will clothe with shame,
But upon Himself His crown shall flourish.”


ACTS 15
12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the Gentiles. 13 And after they had [c]become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:

16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;

17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’
18 [e]“Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from [f]sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood. 21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”

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[Scott Downey]

2 Samuel 6​

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New King James Version​

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The Ark Brought to Jerusalem​

1 Again David gathered all the choice men of Israel, thirty thousand. 2 And David arose and went with all the people who were with him from [a]Baale Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, whose name is called [b]by the Name, the Lord of Hosts, who dwells between the cherubim. 3 So they set the ark of God on a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill; and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drove the new [c]cart. 4 And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab, which was on the hill, accompanying the ark of God; and Ahio went before the ark. 5 Then David and all the house of Israel played music before the Lord on all kinds of instruments of fir wood, on harps, on stringed instruments, on tambourines, on sistrums, and on cymbals.

6 And when they came to Nachon’s threshing floor, Uzzah put out his hand to the ark of God and [d]took hold of it, for the oxen stumbled. 7 Then the anger of the Lord was aroused against Uzzah, and God struck him there for his [e]error; and he died there by the ark of God. 8 And David became angry because of the Lord’s outbreak against Uzzah; and he called the name of the place [f]Perez Uzzah to this day.

9 David was afraid of the Lord that day; and he said, “How can the ark of the Lord come to me?” 10 So David would not move the ark of the Lord with him into the City of David; but David took it aside into the house of Obed-Edom the Gittite. 11 The ark of the Lord remained in the house of Obed-Edom the Gittite three months. And the Lord blessed Obed-Edom and all his household.

12 Now it was told King David, saying, “The Lord has blessed the house of Obed-Edom and all that belongs to him, because of the ark of God.” So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obed-Edom to the City of David with gladness. 13 And so it was, when those bearing the ark of the Lord had gone six paces, that he sacrificed oxen and fatted sheep. 14 Then David danced[g] before the Lord with all his might; and David was wearing a linen ephod. 15 So David and all the house of Israel brought up the ark of the Lord with shouting and with the sound of the trumpet.

16 Now as the ark of the Lord came into the City of David, Michal, Saul’s daughter, looked through a window and saw King David leaping and whirling before the Lord; and she despised him in her heart. 17 So they brought the ark of the Lord, and set it in its place in the midst of the tabernacle that David had erected for it. Then David offered burnt offerings and peace offerings before the Lord. 18 And when David had finished offering burnt offerings and peace offerings, he blessed the people in the name of the Lord of hosts. 19 Then he distributed among all the people, among the whole multitude of Israel, both the women and the men, to everyone a loaf of bread, a piece of meat, and a cake of raisins. So all the people departed, everyone to his house.
20 Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, “How glorious was the king of Israel today, uncovering himself today in the eyes of the maids of his servants, as one of the base fellows [h]shamelessly uncovers himself!”

21 So David said to Michal, “It was before the Lord, who chose me instead of your father and all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the Lord, over Israel. Therefore I will play music before the Lord. 22 And I will be even more undignified than this, and will be humble in my own sight. But as for the maidservants of whom you have spoken, by them I will be held in honor.”
23 Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death.

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The above is what God rebuilds, sacrifices of praise and worship, not an earthly throne, early temple and animal sacrifices.

Acts 15
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;

17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the [d]Lord who does all these things.’

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Samuel 6 - New King James Version

The Ark Brought to Jerusalem - Again David gathered all the choice men of Israel, thirty thousand. And David arose and went with all the people who were with him from Baale Judah to bring up from there the ark of God, whose name is called by the Name, the Lord of Hosts, who dwells between the...

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[Scott Downey]

Romans 15:11
And again: “Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles! Laud Him, all you peoples!”

Hebrews 2:12
saying: “I will declare Your name to My brethren; In the midst of the assembly I will sing praise to You.”

Hebrews 13:15
Therefore by Him let us continually offer the sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of our lips, giving thanks to His name.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

Revelation 19:5
Then a voice came from the throne, saying, “Praise our God, all you His servants and those who fear Him, both small and great!”