Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Scott Downey]

i said only what God said FIRST in His Word

NEVER did i say nor imply that the death of Christ on the Cross was not needed or negated!!!

Read again the Wisdom of God spoken by the Holy Spirit = Romans 2:14-16

Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus, as proclaimed by my gospel.

Their thoughts are their own. They either excuse themselves to God, or try to pass the blame, defend themselves like saying to God the 'women who you gave me.'

THERE is NO EXCUSE for their sins. Thoughts are not considered in the judgment, People who come under this final judgment are judged by their works. The books are opened and they are judged by the things written in the books. They are judged by and according to Christ and what they believed about the Christ. Every idle word men speak, men will give account of in the Day of Judgment. It is all being written down, maybe by angels right now even. However it is done you have this book of your life recorded by God.

Since God sent Christ, He commands all men to believe in His Son, only those who are in Christ are righteous
Acts 17
30 Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, 31 because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

Gentiles who have not the law, the work of the law is written on their hearts, know that they are guilty before God.

Romana 2:16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel.

Not in Christ?, you have death and not life. Christ is our righteousness but this is only for those who have faith in Christ Jesus.
There will be NO survivors when Christ returns except for those who know Him.
The others are judged and found wanting for righteousness, destination for them is a fiery destruction.
To Christ they are condemned already, they will perish at His return.

John 3:18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


Galatians 2
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, [g]why do you compel Gentiles to live as [h]Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,

16 knowing that a man is not [i]justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ is coming again in wrath
His coming is a Day of Wrath, not peace.

Romans 2
4 Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance?
5 But in accordance with your hardness and your [a]impenitent heart you are [b]treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, 6 who “will render to each one according to his deeds”:

7 eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; 8 but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, 9 tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the [c]Greek; 10 but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.


John 3:36
He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

1 Thess 1
Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy,

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:

Grace to you and peace [a]from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Their Good Example​

2 We give thanks to God always for you all, making mention of you in our prayers, 3 remembering without ceasing your work of faith, labor of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the sight of our God and Father, 4 knowing, beloved brethren, your election by God. 5 For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.

6 And you became followers of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit, 7 so that you became examples to all in Macedonia and Achaia who believe. 8 For from you the word of the Lord has sounded forth, not only in Macedonia and Achaia, but also in every place. Your faith toward God has gone out, so that we do not need to say anything.

9 For they themselves declare concerning us what manner of entry we had to you, and how you turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God, 10 and to wait for His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead, even Jesus who delivers us from the wrath to come.

 

[Scott Downey]

Christ comes as a thief in the night and brings sudden destruction at His return in flaming fire.

1 Thess 5

But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be [a]sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.

11 Therefore [b]comfort each other and [c]edify one another, just as you also are doing.

 

[PinSeeker]

I am not wrong about David's throne being moved from Jerusalem yet still here on earth...

You're wrong about what David's throne ~ as it's spoken of in God's Word; yes, even by Jesus ~ is. But that's okay. <smile> Really, man, it's okay.

Grace and peace to you, Davy.

 

[WPM]

That above is coming pretty much from what your Amill preachers have told you 'outside' the actual written Word of God.


The Revelation 20, Zechariah 14, Isaiah 24:22, Revelation 22:14-15, John 5:28-29, are just a small number of Bible Scripture examples proving that the wicked will still... exist after Christ's future return.

So you really have NO EXCUSE to be pushing the false Amill ideas that your are trying to fool faithful saints by.

This is Jack Van-Imp tactics. Where is your hard evidence? Quote your evidence if you are so confident.

 

[Davy]

Fact is you have your own view as does everyone else

That of course is a BOGUS statement. I gave you actual Bible Scripture to consider, not my opinion. By your slanderous comment you obviously cannot tell the difference between the actual 'written' Word of God and someone's opinion.

 

[Davy]

You're wrong about what David's throne ~ as it's spoken of in God's Word; yes, even by Jesus ~ is. But that's okay. <smile> Really, man, it's okay.

Grace and peace to you, Davy.

You have yet to provide any Scripture evidence that proves David's throne is in Heaven.

I showed you what Lord Jesus said about His throne He will sit upon when His 12 Apostles sit upon their 12 thrones, per Matthew 19:28.

But you refuse to even address that Matthew 19:28 Scripture by Lord Jesus. Thus I stand in the 'written' Word of God, but your stance is on sand.

 

[Davy]

The OP of this thread only confirms how easy it is for men's doctrines to deceive those who don't really study their Bible, or don't heed their Bible, but what men say instead.

Anyone that believes that Jesus' Kingdom has already come upon this earth today, and that Jesus has been ruling over it since the days of His Apostles is on man's false FULL PRETERISM seminary doctrine from the devil's servants. The believe Jesus' 2nd coming was only meant in the spiritual sense, and already happened back in the days of His Apostles. Thus they wrongly believe that Jesus' Kingdom was setup on earth back then, and that today's still existing non-believers are simply like left-overs that it is the Church's job to convert to Christ and only then will Lord Jesus return.

What that idea is actually promoting is, helping to bring Satan's coming one-world beast kingdom that God's Word shows will be setup at the end of this world, with demanding that all bow in false idol worship to the "image of the beast" of Rev.13:11 forward.

 

[Scott Downey]

That of course is a BOGUS statement. I gave you actual Bible Scripture to consider, not my opinion. By your slanderous comment you obviously cannot tell the difference between the actual 'written' Word of God and someone's opinion.

I considered them and wrote back, did you not read any of it?

And man's wrath does not work God's righteousness.

 

[PinSeeker]

You have yet to provide any Scripture evidence that proves David's throne is in Heaven.

There's no chair in heaven. <smile> Like I have said, you misunderstand what "the throne of David" in Scripture is.

I showed you what Lord Jesus said...

You did, yes. <smile> And I told you what He was saying about the throne of David.

...you refuse to even address that Matthew 19:28 Scripture by Lord Jesus.

Not at all. I did so, but you don't accept what I said, which... fair enough.

Thus I stand in the 'written' Word of God...

Well, right, but the issue is you're not understanding it correctly, at least with regard to the throne of David... and Jesus's throne of glory. You think you are, but alas, you are not. I and others have been very clear about that.

...your stance is on sand.

So you think. Fair enough.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Scott Downey]

Yeah, Jesus when He comes sits on His glorious throne and all the holy angels are with Him, He sits not on an earthly throne of David.

Jesus Christ rules over Jacob, in that sense He sits on David's throne.
Jacob God then calls him Israel
Jesus rules over all of Israel, He has all authority and power in heaven and on earth right now, he does no need an earthly throne for that.

Israel of course according to the Spirit is the true Israel, not Israel according to the flesh.

Matthew 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.

32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

Luke 1:31-33
New King James Version
31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Meaning He will reign over Jacob-Israel as Lord and Christ, just as Peter in acts tells the people, and He is.

22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know— 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you [f]have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having [g]loosed the [h]pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it. 25 For David says concerning Him:

‘I foresaw the Lord always before my face,
For He is at my right hand, that I may not be shaken.
26 Therefore my heart rejoiced, and my tongue was glad;
Moreover my flesh also will rest in hope.
27 For You will not leave my soul in Hades,
Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption.
28 You have made known to me the ways of life;
You will make me full of joy in Your presence.’
29 “Men and brethren, let me speak freely to you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his tomb is with us to this day. 30 Therefore, being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him that of the fruit of his body, [i]according to the flesh, He would raise up the Christ to sit on his throne, 31 he, foreseeing this, spoke concerning the resurrection of the Christ, that His soul was not left in Hades, nor did His flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses. 33 Therefore being exalted [j]to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
36 “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ.”

 

[PinSeeker]

Yeah, Jesus when He comes sits on His glorious throne and all the holy angels are with Him, He sits not on an earthly throne of David.

But it's not about Him actually sitting on a literal chair of any kind. <smile> Or literal body positioning... <smile>

Nor was it concerning David, even though, yes, David probably had an actual throne room and throne at some point.

...He will reign over Jacob-Israel as Lord and Christ...

Right. But that's true now, just not yet in person. Now... and not yet. But Christ both will be and is our King. So:

Q: Is Christ ruling and preeminent over God's Israel now? Or will Christ rule and be preeminent over God's Israel in the future, when He returns?

A: Yes. <smile>

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Scott Downey]

But it's not about Him actually sitting on a literal chair of any kind. <smile> Or literal body positioning... <smile>

Nor was it concerning David, even though, yes, David probably had an actual throne room and throne at some point.


Right. But that's true now, just not yet in person. Now... and not yet. But Christ both will be and is our King. So:

Q: Is Christ ruling and preeminent over God's Israel now? Or will Christ rule and be preeminent over God's Israel in the future, when He returns?

A: Yes. <smile>

Grace and peace to all.

Agree I suppose about an earthly style throne chair, sitting like a flesh and blood human being on it.

Of God's glorious throne in Ezekiel 1 it says,

22 The likeness of the [f]firmament above the heads of the [g]living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings spread out straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. 24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 A voice came from above the firmament that was over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.

26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.


In reality Christ right now having received all power from God the Father is ruling over all things.
We do not not see it yet, but it is true.

As it says in Hebrews 2

The Son Made Lower than Angels​

5 For He has not put the world to come, of which we speak, in subjection to angels. 6 But one testified in a certain place, saying:

“What is man that You are mindful of him,
Or the son of man that You take care of him?

7 You have made him [d]a little lower than the angels;
You have crowned him with glory and honor,
[e]And set him over the works of Your hands.

8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”

For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him.

9 But we see Jesus, who was made [f]a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

 

[Scott Downey]

But it's not about Him actually sitting on a literal chair of any kind. <smile> Or literal body positioning... <smile>

Nor was it concerning David, even though, yes, David probably had an actual throne room and throne at some point.


Right. But that's true now, just not yet in person. Now... and not yet. But Christ both will be and is our King. So:

Q: Is Christ ruling and preeminent over God's Israel now? Or will Christ rule and be preeminent over God's Israel in the future, when He returns?

A: Yes. <smile>

Grace and peace to all.

But it's not about Him actually sitting on a literal chair of any kind. <smile> Or literal body positioning... <smile>

Nor was it concerning David, even though, yes, David probably had an actual throne room and throne at some point.


Right. But that's true now, just not yet in person. Now... and not yet. But Christ both will be and is our King. So:

Q: Is Christ ruling and preeminent over God's Israel now? Or will Christ rule and be preeminent over God's Israel in the future, when He returns?

A: Yes. <smile>

Grace and peace to all.

This is what I wrote 'and He is'
You kind of cut me off there.
In my referring to Luke 1, the angel tells Mary of the future rule of Christ, and then Peter confirms God made Jesus Lord and Christ.

Luke 1:31-33
New King James Version
31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Meaning He will reign over Jacob-Israel as Lord and Christ, just as Peter in acts tells the people, and He is.

 

[PinSeeker]

@Scott Downey

Hmmm... to all that <smile>... I would say:

"We do not not see it yet, but it is true"

Some of us do... <smile> And actually we all do, but many don't recognize it. But yes, it's true...​

"You kind of cut me off there."

I mean not really, just (as in this post) quoting the most relevant parts of it. No cut-off intended.​

Grace and peace to you, Scott.

 

[Davy]

I considered them and wrote back, did you not read any of it?

And man's wrath does not work God's righteousness.

No, you failed to actually consider these Scriptures I posted to you.

You only briefly mentioned John 5:28-29 and then you ADDED men's false Amill doctrine to it when it says NOTHING about any such destruction of those "resurrection of damnation" on that day of Christ's coming. The false Amill doctrine from men that you are on wrongly assumes... all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming, when the Scriptures I mentioned show different.

The following is Christ's future "thousand years" reign time:

Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

Those "dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosever loveth and maketh a lie" represent the spiritually 'dead' of Revelation 20:5 and the "resurrection of damnation" of John 5:28-29, and the leftovers of the nations that will have come up against Jerusalem per Zechariah 14, and these below in 'red' also...

Rev 3:7-9
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; "These things saith He That is holy, He That is true, He That hath the key of David, He That openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

You tell me then, HOW will those above wicked of that "synagogue of Satan" come to worship at the feet of Christ's elect of the Church of Philadelphia, for that has never... happened during this present world, nor will it ever happen for this present world. That event will happen only AFTER Christ's future 2nd coming when He will reign over all nations and people with His "rod of iron". And as written in Rev.2, He also promised His elect would reign with that "rod of iron" over the nations with Him. Thus not all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future return. You need to UPDATE your understanding per the Revelation Scripture, because Lord Jesus gave His Book of Revelation for increased DETAIL of things He said before, like the separation of His sheep from the goats He mentioned. Well, the Revelation Scripture UPDATES that idea of the separation to show the goats are NOT destroyed yet on the day of His coming. Thus Revelation does not 'change' what He said before, but gives us more detail and events that He did not mention in Matthew 25.

 

[Scott Downey]

No, you failed to actually consider these Scriptures I posted to you.

You only briefly mentioned John 5:28-29 and then you ADDED men's false Amill doctrine to it when it says NOTHING about any such destruction of those "resurrection of damnation" on that day of Christ's coming. The false Amill doctrine from men that you are on wrongly assumes... all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming, when the Scriptures I mentioned show different.

The following is Christ's future "thousand years" reign time:

Rev 22:14-15
14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
KJV

Those "dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosever loveth and maketh a lie" represent the spiritually 'dead' of Revelation 20:5 and the "resurrection of damnation" of John 5:28-29, and the leftovers of the nations that will have come up against Jerusalem per Zechariah 14, and these below in 'red' also...

Rev 3:7-9
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; "These things saith He That is holy, He That is true, He That hath the key of David, He That openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;

8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept My word, and hast not denied My name.

9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV

You tell me then, HOW will those above wicked of that "synagogue of Satan" come to worship at the feet of Christ's elect of the Church of Philadelphia, for that has never... happened during this present world, nor will it ever happen for this present world. That event will happen only AFTER Christ's future 2nd coming when He will reign over all nations and people with His "rod of iron". And as written in Rev.2, He also promised His elect would reign with that "rod of iron" over the nations with Him. Thus not all the wicked are destroyed on the day of Christ's future return. You need to UPDATE your understanding per the Revelation Scripture, because Lord Jesus gave His Book of Revelation for increased DETAIL of things He said before, like the separation of His sheep from the goats He mentioned. Well, the Revelation Scripture UPDATES that idea of the separation to show the goats are NOT destroyed yet on the day of His coming. Thus Revelation does not 'change' what He said before, but gives us more detail and events that He did not mention in Matthew 25.

ALL wicked are definitely killed by Christ at His return, scripture clearly says so, you're claiming no, cause it conflicts with premill theology.
Blind leading the blind and all that.

Can't make this stuff up, it is so cognitively dissonant.

The wicked do not know God and they do not obey the gospel.
Why not go ahead and explain the following then.

2 Thess 1
6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you, 7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

 

[Scott Downey]

Enduring Word Bible Commentary Revelation Chapter 3

David Guzik commentary on Revelation 3 continues the letters Jesus wrote to the seven churches: Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea.

enduringword.com

Revelation 3 on these fake jews.​

4. (9-10) What Jesus will do for the Christians of Philadelphia.​

Indeed I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie—indeed I will make them come and worship before your feet, and to know that I have loved you. Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

a. I will make those of the synagogue of Satan: Apparently, the Christians in Philadelphia were persecuted by Jewish people (the synagogue). However, these persecuting Jews were Jews in name only (who say they are Jews and are not, but lie). In fact, they had no spiritual connection to Abraham or to the people of faith.

i. In this, Jesus did not speak against all Jewish people. It would be entirely wrong to speak of the Jewish people as a whole as the synagogue of Satan or those who say they are Jews and are not. Jesus spoke of this specific group of Jewish people in Philadelphia who persecuted the Christians during that period.

b. I will make them come and worship before your feet: In this, Jesus promised that He would vindicate His people and make sure that their persecutors recognized they were wrong, and that Jesus and His followers were right. The idea is of vindication before self-righteous “spiritual” persecutors. God promised that the church in Philadelphia would be vindicated before their persecutors.

i. God promised Israel that Gentiles would honor them and acknowledge their God (Isaiah 45:14). Now the tables were somewhat turned, and these Jewish people “will play the role of the heathen and acknowledge that the church is the Israel of God.” (Mounce)

ii. 1 Corinthians 14:24-25 speaks of unbelievers falling down in the midst of Christians to worship God. This establishes that it wasn’t Christians who were being worshipped, but God was worshipped in the presence of Christians.

iii. And to know that I have loved you: As those who were once their enemies worshipped along side them, they were destroyed as enemies. They now knew that Jesus had loved these people they once persecuted. The best way to destroy the enemies of the Gospel is to pray that God would change them into friends.

iv. Persecuted people often long for justice against their persecutors (Revelation 6:10). A passage from a second century Christian shows this: “What sight shall wake my wonder, what my laughter, my joy and exultation? As I see all those kings, those great kings… groaning in the depths of darkness! And the magistrates who persecuted in the name of Jesus, liquefying in fiercer flames than they kindled in their rage against the Christians!” (Tertullian, cited in Barclay)

 

[Scott Downey]

Have any here considered judgment day happens after the destruction of the wicked???

2 Thess 1 squeezes it all rather tight, Jesus exposes more of what happens on judgment day in Matthew 25

The wicked are killed, their spirits no longer have a body.

Then they are resurrected with condemnation, and judged.
But no appeal to Christ the Judge of all the world has any effect on their final judgment of destruction in the lake of fire.
And they go away into eternal punishment, gathered by the holy angels and cast into the eternal fire.

The final judgment is explained in various parts in various places, but there is not a place where you can read all details in a few paragraphs.
You have to put the pieces together

Believe it or not, this is also worship, acknowledging God and Christ, which the wicked will do at the judgment.

Philippians 2:9-11
New King James Version
9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

​

Matthew 25

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations​

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[Davy]

There's no chair in heaven. <smile> Like I have said, you misunderstand what "the throne of David" in Scripture is.

You don't have a clue of how wrong your above statement is about David's throne. Still, you show you lack study in The Old Testament Books, especially about God's Promise to David that there would never fail a man to sit upon his throne unto all generations, which also is what the Genesis 49:10 prophecy to Judah for the "last days" is about.

You did, yes. <smile> And I told you what He was saying about the throne of David.


Not at all. I did so, but you don't accept what I said, which... fair enough.

In your post, you are WRONGLY DIVIDING UP WHAT I SAID WITH YOUR FALSE QUOTING. You need to learn how to properly quote someone, instead of breaking up portions of their sentence to TRY and make it say something it does not! That kind of working is what CHARLATANS do.


And no, you did NOT have any comment about the Matthew 19:28 verse by Lord Jesus which I asked about. You only continued your 'opinion' rant and rave, and did not respond to ANY Bible Scripture I had posted (see your Post#1616).

I suppose I have embarrassed you about your Biblical ignorance on this matter enough, so I suggest you cover your Old Testament study line upon line, chapter by chapter, and quit playing tradition of men games with God's Word. NO ONE here or anywhere else, can show Bible Scripture proof that David's earthly throne went to Heaven.