"Jesus conquered the Beast in 70 AD" video

[HealthyShape]

I guess you missed the part where I was responding to his claim of studying scripture.

No, I reacted to what you said there, quote:

"I have been looking closely at the scriptures for over 50 years. This means I understand how the scriptures say he would come again."

 

[shepherdsword]

No, I reacted to what you said there, quote:

"I have been looking closely at the scriptures for over 50 years. This means I understand how the scriptures say he would come again."

Yeah, more proof you missed it, as you have a great many other things. My statement was in the context of NotTheRock claiming "I used to share your view, until I looked closely at the scriptures." As if a closer look would make his assertion true. Why didn't you respond to him? However, I can see your objection to "not about time or the length of study" because it's obvious you haven't spent enough.

Now, If you have a valid objection to opposing the fact that the Lord returned in 70 ad then post it. Otherwise you are just trolling for a reaction.

 

[NotTheRock]

I have been looking closely at the scriptures for over 50 years. This means I understand how the scriptures say he would come again. Guess what? It hasn't happened yet.

Jesus said he would return during the lifetimes of some of the Apostles.

Paul also prophesied that Jesus would return, but for a limited purpose.

Hebrews 9:28
English Standard Version
28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

I take Jesus at his word and that he DID return in the first century as he said he would and as Paul prophesied. What is your response to these scriptures?

 

[ProDeo]

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In brief,they propose that Revelation was written before 70 AD.

They also said, 90% of Revelation already happened.

And during his reign Nero had erected statues to himself. Including at the entrance to the marketplace . And at the entrance of that marketplace there was a bowl of burning incense.
Before people could enter there to buy or sell,they had to take up the ash from the burning incense and wipe it on their foreheads and the back of their hands. And then swear loyalty,belief,in their Lord, the emperor.

The only people who refused this oath and mark of allegiance were the Christians.

I tried to find evidence of that, but what I found was not convincing.

 

[ProDeo]

They changed NERO to NERON, they needed 50 more to get to 666 and that's what the N did.

That would mean the Vulgate got it right.

 

[shepherdsword]

Jesus said he would return during the lifetimes of some of the Apostles.

Paul also prophesied that Jesus would return, but for a limited purpose.

Hebrews 9:28
English Standard Version
28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

I take Jesus at his word and that he DID return in the first century as he said he would and as Paul prophesied. What is your response to these scriptures?

We are also told he will return the same way he left. Rev 1 tells us that every eye will see him when he returns. Paul tells us that the dead in Christ shall rise first when he comes. He also says we will all meet Him in the air.

Ac 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1 Th 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rv 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


I think we can safely say none of these things have happened yet.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus said he would return during the lifetimes of some of the Apostles.

No, he didn't say that nor did he do that. He did not rapture any of his Apostles. They all died, one naturally and the rest were murdered.

 

[ewq1938]

That would mean the Vulgate got it right.

Nothing is right about altering a name artificially to make it add up to a number. Nero was not the AC. We are still waiting of the AC.

 

[NotTheRock]

We are also told he will return the same way he left. Rev 1 tells us that every eye will see him when he returns. Paul tells us that the dead in Christ shall rise first when he comes. He also says we will all meet Him in the air.

Ac 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1 Th 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rv 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.


I think we can safely say none of these things have happened yet.

You are ignoring the verses that contradict your theological position because you are unwilling to modify your position based on the scriptures. You simply parrot other scriptures as if they somehow negate the scriptures that refute your position. I won't bother you further.

 

[shepherdsword]

You are ignoring the verses that contradict your theological position because you are unwilling to modify your position based on the scriptures. You simply parrot other scriptures as if they somehow negate the scriptures that refute your position. I won't bother you further.

What I did was show that your interpretation of what Jesus said cannot be accurate because it's contradicts other scriptures. Go ahead and actually post a scripture and I will deal with it. HOWEVER, I DID post scripture...which you totally ignored as you accused me. So here they are again. Please explain how they have been fulfilled:


Ac 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

1 Th 4:16-17
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rv 1:7
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

 

[ProDeo]

Nothing is right about altering a name artificially to make it add up to a number. Nero was not the AC. We are still waiting of the AC.

Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

 

[ewq1938]

Rev 13:18 This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.

Calculate and alterate rhyme but the words have vastly different meanings.

 

[HealthyShape]

Yeah, more proof you missed it, as you have a great many other things. My statement was in the context of NotTheRock claiming "I used to share your view, until I looked closely at the scriptures." As if a closer look would make his assertion true. Why didn't you respond to him? However, I can see your objection to "not about time or the length of study" because it's obvious you haven't spent enough.

Now, If you have a valid objection to opposing the fact that the Lord returned in 70 ad then post it. Otherwise you are just trolling for a reaction.

You still do not understand my point that the length of study does not equal to understanding. So, you should drop such argument. Plenty of people study the Bible for a long time and come to completely different "understandings".