"Jesus conquered the Beast in 70 AD" video

[Marty fox]

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I don't even need to watch the video in order to determine if he is correct or not. Nor am I even going to bother watching his proposed Preterist nonsense. Clearly, he isn't correct. Take 70 AD, the time period in question. Was there also a false prophet involved with 70 AD? After all, according to Revelation 13, there can't be a beast unless there is also the false prophet working hand in hand with it.

The false prophet IMO was a demonic being influencing apostate Israel and its leaders

 

[NotTheRock]

The roman army devastated the city of Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple, just as Daniel prophesied.

God's punishment for worshipping the Beast instead of the Son, I believe.

John 19:14-15 esv
14 Now it was the day of Preparation of the Passover. It was about the sixth hour.[c] He said to the Jews, “Behold your King!” 15 They cried out, “Away with him, away with him, crucify him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar.”

 

[ewq1938]

When something is new to you, it isn't necessarily wrong. I gave you one reason, this man 10.

It's not new to me, maybe it is to you? It is simply wrong and unscriptural. This is one of MANY deceptions that mislead Christians towards Apostasy.

 

[NotTheRock]

It's not new to me, maybe it is to you? It is simply wrong and unscriptural. This is one of MANY deceptions that mislead Christians towards Apostasy.

Believing that the Olivet Discourse prophecies were fulfilled in the first century leads to apostasy?

What is your understanding of apostasy?

 

[NotTheRock]

When something is new to you, it isn't necessarily wrong. I gave you one reason, this man 10.

That's a great video! Thank you!

 

[MatthewG]

Believing that the Olivet Discourse prophecies were fulfilled in the first century leads to apostasy?

What is your understanding of apostasy?

Hi,

Apostasy is - like this - "I renounce my faith in God and Jesus Christ."

 

[NotTheRock]

Hi,

Apostasy is - like this - "I renounce my faith in God and Jesus Christ."

My thought as well.

 

[ewq1938]

Believing that the Olivet Discourse prophecies were fulfilled in the first century leads to apostasy?

Yes.

What is your understanding of apostasy?

My understanding is based on the word's definition.

 

[ProDeo]

It's not new to me, maybe it is to you? It is simply wrong and unscriptural. This is one of MANY deceptions that mislead Christians towards Apostasy.

Apostasy over a date ????

List of New Testament papyri - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Go to papyrus 47 (Revelation), this is the oldest snippet available, dated between 200-300.

Then check how it looks like : Revelation 9 - Wikipedia

The general accepted date of 90-95 is just an educated guess from scholars, nobody knows for sure.

Looking for hints within the Scripture itself is more reliable.

YMMV

 

[NotTheRock]

Was God's Kingdom established in 70 AD?

 

[ewq1938]

Apostasy over a date ????

Yes because it is HERESY to teach the second coming already happened.

 

[Marty fox]

That's a great video! Thank you!

That was great thanks

 

[Marty fox]

22-minute video. Very scriptural. Is he correct?

Would you agree with post #21?

 

[NotTheRock]

Would you agree with post #21?

Yea, makes sense to me but historically I don't know who that was. Any guess?

 

[ProDeo]

Yes because it is HERESY to teach the second coming already happened.

Depends how you define the second coming.

1. The bodily return of Jesus and start His 1000 years reign.
2. Rapture of saints in the skies, saving them from the upcoming judgement.

(2) definitely happened, (1) not.

Matt 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matt 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

 

[Marty fox]

Yea, makes sense to me but historically I don't know who that was. Any guess?

The Pharisees at Jesus time, their job was to reveal the Messiah to the Jewish people but instead they had the people reject and kill Him and declare that they have no king but Cesar. This gave power to Rome the sea beast. That is the perfect description of a false prophet.

Revelation 13:11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon.

This beast is the only beast that has a clean animal's description.

Now how did Jesus describe the Pharisees

20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet

Matthew 7:15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Video Summary:


In this video, Shade Stone argues that "The Beast" in the Book of Revelation refers to the First-Century Roman Empire, which Jesus conquered in 70 AD by establishing a spiritual kingdom (0:10-2:07).

Stone presents several key arguments:

Dating the Book of Revelation (0:37-1:01): He asserts that Revelation was written between 54 AD and 68 AD, before the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. He uses the prophecy of the "seven kings" in Revelation 17:10 to support this.

Five kings are fallen: He identifies these as Julius Caesar, Augustus Caesar, Tiberius Caesar, Caligula Caesar, and Claudius Caesar, with Claudius dying in 54 AD (14:15-16:01). He notes that Augustus and Tiberius are mentioned in scripture (17:06-18:47).

One king "is": This refers to Nero, who reigned from 54 AD to 68 AD, aligning with the proposed writing period (16:10-16:44). Stone also mentions that Nero's name in Jewish Gematria translates to 666, and in Latin Vulgate to 616 (20:08-20:58).

One king "is yet to come" for a "short space": This is identified as Galba, who reigned for only seven months, dying in 69 AD (19:13-19:49).

Identifying the Beast as the Roman Empire (2:12-4:07): Stone points to the beast rising out of the "sea" (Revelation 13:1), which he connects to the "great sea" in Daniel, representing kingdoms outside Israel (2:32-2:38, 9:46-9:51, 10:46-10:54). He also highlights the beast's "scarlet" color (3:25-3:46) and "iron teeth" (11:16-11:19), linking them to the reddish attire of Roman centurions and the "iron legs" of the Nebuchadnezzar statue in Daniel (3:50-4:07, 11:16-12:17).

Connecting to Daniel's Prophecy (4:20-5:04, 8:59-13:12): The speaker argues that the angel's surprise at John's marveling (Revelation 17:7) indicates John should have recognized the beast as the fourth beast from Daniel's prophecy, which represents the Roman Empire (4:54-5:04). He details how Daniel's four beasts (Babylonian, Medo-Persian, Grecian, and Roman) align with the historical context (9:09-10:08). Both Daniel's fourth beast and Revelation's beast are described as having ten horns, further solidifying the connection (12:55-13:02).


In conclusion, Stone asserts that Jesus conquered this Roman beast in 70 AD by establishing a spiritual, indestructible kingdom that operates by faith, not by sight (21:02-21:28).

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Yes because it is HERESY to teach the second coming already happened.

I don't think those who insist the second coming has already occurred realize what that means for them . What the Bible tells us occurs after the second coming.

 

[NotTheRock]

20 But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet

Were the Jewish religious leaders the "false prophet"?

 

[NotTheRock]

I don't think those who insist the second coming has already occurred realize what that means for them . What the Bible tells us occurs after the second coming.

Where does the Bible state a "second coming"?