Jesus is God

[jaybird]

And the Tesla Sedan was created 105 yrs after the first Ford.
So, does that mean that Tesla does not exist?
So, @jaybird, your logic is not on track.
Perhaps you should clean your cage.....

Listen....

In Genesis,...........the verse says........>"Let US.....make man in OUR image".

See the "US, and OUR"?

That is 1.) God and 2.) pre-incarnate Jesus, the "Word who became flesh, and dwelt among us".

if a trin created a tesla sedan today they would claim it had always been there.

In Genesis,...........the verse says........>"Let US.....make man in OUR image".

See the "US, and OUR"?

That is 1.) God and 2.) pre-incarnate Jesus, the "Word who became flesh, and dwelt among us".

Gen does not say who the "us: and "our" are. you can find other examples in the bible, Isiah 6 and 1Kings 22 are example of the divine council, this is how the Most High speaks to the other beings in the council.

 

[jaybird]

Im puzzled. If Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)

exactly but some refuse to see these passages, or they invent their own theology to change the meaning.

 

[Davy]

Im puzzled. If Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)

Was Jesus in the flesh when He said that?

Heb 1:1-3
1 God, Who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, Whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by Whom also He made the worlds;

3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
KJV

God The Son having been born in the flesh to die on the cross "purged our sins" (of the believer), is why God was born in the flesh as Jesus Christ. God The Father did not die on the cross; God The Son did as Jesus Christ.

So those who deny the Divinity of Jesus Christ also indirectly deny God having come in the flesh and died on the cross. That makes those who deny that a PAGAN, and an INFIDEL.

Matthew 1:21-23 declares Jesus' Name "Emmanuel" to mean "God with us." Those who deny that Name are the devil's children.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Word of God, (Pre-incarnate Jesus) was literally manifested inside the womb of The Virgin Mary, by the Holy Spirit, = as a human.

"God was manifested in the flesh". "the Word of God became flesh".....inside a Virgin's womb.

Jesus: "I am the same yesterday, today, and forever."

 

[rebuilder 454]

in greek philosophy it meant same kind, its where "same substance" comes from like i covered before, a wolf and man are of the same substance.
bible has it as birth
trinity people think it means trinity

No we don't.
Why would you say that?
We know who he is.
You do not.
JESUS SAID : " If you deny me before men, I will deny you before tge father"

Sorry you chose that path.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The Word of God, (Pre-incarnate Jesus) was literally manifested inside the womb of The Virgin Mary, by the Holy Spirit, = as a human.

"God was manifested in the flesh". "the Word of God became flesh".....inside a Virgin's womb.

Jesus said;
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jn 17:5

 

[rebuilder 454]

Im puzzled. If Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)

God is triune.
It is simply a fact.

So are you.
He created man ;
Spirit.
Soul.
Body.

Just a fact.
Triune God created triune man.

 

[rebuilder 454]

exactly but some refuse to see these passages, or they invent their own theology to change the meaning.

Actually you are pointing to what we all can see.....God is triune.

 

[rebuilder 454]

if a trin created a tesla sedan today they would claim it had always been there.



Gen does not say who the "us: and "our" are. you can find other examples in the bible, Isiah 6 and 1Kings 22 are example of the divine council, this is how the Most High speaks to the other beings in the council.

"...our image..." is your clue.

"US create "

John 1
....He...(Jesus) created all things visible and invisible, and Apart from Him was nothing created.

Hard to wiggle out of all that.

 

[jaybird]

God is triune.
It is simply a fact.

So are you.
He created man ;
Spirit.
Soul.
Body.

Just a fact.
Triune God created triune man.

nowhere in the bible does it say G-D is triune, it does say He is one. one and three are different btw

just a fact

 

[Davy]

nowhere in the bible does it say G-D is triune, it does say He is one. one and three are different btw

just a fact

Nowhere in The Bible does it show you HOW.... to count to three either. But many of us CAN. But you, that apparently is a different story.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Im puzzled. If Jesus is God why did he say-
“Why do you call me good?..No one is good except God alone" (Luke 18:19)
"Only God knows when Judgment Day will be, I don't know myself" (Mark 13:32)
"I say nothing of my own accord, I only say what my father tells me to say.." (John 12:49)
"I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28)

Precious friend, no need to be puzzled, since Sound Biblical Doctrine is not based on a 'few' verses only.

Just Simply go by All [ Over 500+ Of ] The Plain and Clear Scriptures For God's Sound Doctrine!
+
In preparation For The Judgment Day?:

34) Jesus Alone Is The Great Judge John 5:22. The Judge Is God Psalms 50:6;
Isaiah 33:22; Hebrews 12:23; Revelation 18:8, Revelation 20:12; Hebrews 13:4;
Romans 2:3, Romans 2:5 AV

Grace, Peace, Mercy And Love!

Amen.

 

[Treeline]

Sorry but i'm still puzzled.
God himself said - "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" (Matt 3:17)
And of course Jesus regularly prayed to God, yet if he was God why would he pray to himself?

 

[Stumpmaster]

Sorry but i'm still puzzled.
God himself said - "This is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" (Matt 3:17)
And of course Jesus regularly prayed to God, yet if he was God why would he pray to himself?

Because the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit do lots of stuff together.

One of the beautiful and profound aspects of Trinitarian theology is the unity and co-operation of the three Persons of the Godhead. In classical Christian thought, especially as articulated in the Nicene tradition, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct yet inseparable, sharing one divine essence and acting in perfect harmony.

Here are a few ways this “doing lots of stuff together” plays out:

Divine Unity in Action​

• Creation: The Father speaks creation into being, the Son (the Word) is the agent through whom all things are made (John 1:3), and the Spirit hovers over the waters (Genesis 1:2), animating and sustaining life.
• Redemption: The Father sends the Son into the world, the Son accomplishes salvation through his death and resurrection, and the Spirit applies that salvation to believers, dwelling within them and transforming them.
• Revelation: The Father reveals himself through the Son, and the Spirit illuminates hearts to understand and receive that revelation.

Perichoresis: The Divine Dance​

Theologians use the term perichoresis to describe the mutual indwelling and interpenetration of the Trinity—like a divine choreography where each Person moves in sync with the others, never isolated or independent. It’s not just teamwork; it’s ontological communion.

A Model for Human Community​

This divine co-working becomes a template for human relationships—especially in the Church. Just as the Trinity operates in loving unity, so are believers called to live in mutual love, service, and shared purpose.

Thankyou for reading this.

 

[Taken]

Jesus is God

Scripture;
IS …knowledge, that which God Approved;
FOR …human manKIND;
TO …confidently Trust, without reservation.
REVELATIONS …Jesus IS God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Treeline]

Was Jesus God from the moment he was born in Bethlehem?
Did God then work as a carpenter for many years instead of running the universe?

 

[David Lamb]

Was Jesus God from the moment he was born in Bethlehem?
Did God then work as a carpenter for many years instead of running the universe?

He was God long before His birth in Bethlehem. In fact He was always God. As John writes at the beginning of his gospel:

“1 ¶ In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

If we are in any doubt about who John means by "the Word", he makes it clear a few verses later:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

And God is almighty, so it wasn't at all necessary for Him t lay aside "running the universe" while He was here on earth as Jesus Christ.

 

[GodsGrace]

I wouldn't pay any attention to what jabbard says on that, many non-believers try to claim that Jesus Christ was 'created' when that goes directly opposite of what God's Word says. They misinterpret Hebrews 1 ON PURPOSE because of the false men they follow.

The 'only begotten son' idea about Lord Jesus Christ is in regard to His created flesh in order to die on the cross. Jesus never stopped being The Christ (His Spirit) when born in the flesh. And no angel has ever been born in the flesh like Jesus. And even in Hebrews 1:8 The Father calls Jesus "O God"!

Heb 1:6-8
6 And again, when He bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, "And let all the angels of God worship Him."
7 And of the angels He saith, "Who maketh His angels spirits, and His ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy kingdom."
KJV


I tell ya, this Forum keeps getting worse and worse with those who come here that speak against the clearly written Word of God.

It doesn't really matter what jaybird believes.
There are many reading along that never post.

I'd like to know from him what he thinks BEGOTTEN means...
but I may never get a reply.
We'll see.

 

[GodsGrace]

Was Jesus God from the moment he was born in Bethlehem?
Did God then work as a carpenter for many years instead of running the universe?

Pretty funny stuff Treeline.

Could you do better than this?
Perhaps using scripture?

 

[jaybird]

Nowhere in The Bible does it show you HOW.... to count to three either. But many of us CAN. But you, that apparently is a different story.

not trinitarians, they think there are two definitions of one