Jesus is God

[Hiddenthings]

Not so, but you can take it or leave it.

So sad, I'm just left with the creeds of men . . . where do you get this from??

Again, this is true I am saddened you hold to these formulated doctrines as it robs you of the wonderful truth in Christ Jesus

The appearance to me is that you are just making stuff up to throw out there to score points . . . to self affirm . . . to deflect from real converstation.

I'm sure if you provided real evidence to support your belief we would have something valuable to discuss.

You barely know me, just a few brief words on the internet, and you toss this out there. Don't you realize, you've said nothing about me . . . what you've shared is about you, your willingness to degrade a conversation to that level. Why? Why is that necessary? Do you know?

Much love!

Marks, I’ve read your posts, and what you write reflects who you are. If you choose to defend the dogmas of the Trinity but can't support your belief from Scripture, then that, in part, reveals where you stand. Does it not?

 

[Hiddenthings]

And if we recognize the core teaching that our Creator God took on flesh, was born the Man we know being Jesus, that is what is needed to progress to truth. After that, parse away on man's attempts to understand this inconceivable miracle.

Much love!

You only proved my point Marks.

As the Creed states "For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man"

This is not from the Bible but your own interpretation of Creed language.

It’s not inconceivable because it’s a miracle, but because it’s a man-made invention. Anything originating from human constructs and not from God’s Word becomes irreconcilable with Scripture and is quickly labeled a “mystery” simply because it cannot be truly known or explained.

 

[marks]

This is not from the Bible but your own interpretation of Creed language.

Back to more presumption. It's not working for you.

I learn from the Bible itself, which clearly shows the Last Adam is the Lord from Heaven, not of the earth earthy. The Word was with God, God was the Word, the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us. Jesus "took on" the form of a servant, "became obedient", because before He was sovereign. "Before Abraham was, I am", that is, before Abraham did exist, I do exist. I don't need creedal languange, I have the Bible. I could go on, but will you be convinced? You'll need to see this for yourself. I hope one day you do.

Much love!

 

[marks]

this is true I am saddened

I hope it doesn't turn into a major depression!

Much love!

 

[Hiddenthings]

I hope it doesn't turn into a major depression!

Much love!

Depends on how open minded you are when he comes. No doubt you are a sincere loving believer who is sadly misled.

 

[Bladerunner]

Note a single verse teaching hypostasis in the Bible.

so I take it that you do not believe in Jesus or His Gospel..Better rethink this before its too late.

 

[Hiddenthings]

so I take it that you do not believe in Jesus or His Gospel..Better rethink this before its too late.

As I said not a single verse teaches hypostasis in the Bible.

 

[jaybird]

So you did not understand.

Whose Spirit was inside Paul ?

In 1 Cor Paul says the Holy Spirit.
in Gal Paul says it is Jesus.

Oneness in the Trinity.

whos spirit was in Elijah? and what does it have to do with the trinity?

 

[jaybird]

When you read in GEN that "CREATION" including "man" is being created.........and you are shown......"US and OUR"........did it, then the verse is self explanitory, as who else but GOD is the "Creator"?........so, when we read that 2 are doing it......"us and our",.. then we see that John 1 says "the WORD was God".....and this is showing us that "Jesus who is the Word.. manifested in the Flesh".......is the "us and our" = is God and The Word....who is Jesus (Pre-incarnate).

its not self explanatory teaching a trinity.
Moses, Elijah and Samuel all taught that same passage, they never taught it to be a trinity.

 

[marks]

As the Creed states "For us men and for our salvation he came down from heaven, and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man"

This is not from the Bible but your own interpretation of Creed language.

I'd like to share a few Scriptures with you.

1 Corinthians 15:47-49 KJV
47) The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48) As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49) And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

God tells us here that Jesus is the Lord from heaven, not the same as men on earth other than Himself. "The" Lord from heaven. There is only Him. This is exclusive language, there is no other.

And God shows us the continued contrast between the heavenly and the earthly, lest any become confused.

John 1:1-14 KJV
1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2) The same was in the beginning with God.
3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
( . . . )
14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

This passage speaks for itself. God took on flesh.

Philippians 2:5-11 KJV
5) Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6) Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7) But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8) And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Being in the form of God, He took upon Him the form of a servant. Very clear.

He became obedient . . . have you ever considered the implications here? What was Jesus before He became obedient? Your choices are either disobedient, or Sovereign. Seems clear to me! And in harmony with the rest.

9) Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11) And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Imagine for a moment, that Paul would apply this passage from Isaiah to one who is not God??

YHWH declares that to Himself shall every knee bow, and Paul here affirms that every knee will bow to Jesus. Jesus is YHWH.

Zechariah 14:3-4 KJV
3) Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4) And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

Acts 1:11 KJV
11) Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Easily seen.

And like I've said before, I could go on, but will you be convinced? Please understand . . . I'm not quoting creeds, I'm quoting the Bible. Hear it, and believe!

Much love!

 

[Behold]

its not self explanatory teaching a trinity.
Moses, Elijah and Samuel all taught that same passage, they never taught it to be a trinity.

The docrine of the Trinity, was not available in the OT.
Its a NT, "Church"...... teaching.

Believing this doctrine is not required for Salvation.

 

[MonoBiblical]

§Do YOU know Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek?

Why are you using Strong's??

Because it is a good starting point for the Lexicon. Yes, I know Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek.

 

[MonoBiblical]

From the LXX:

Isaiah 9:6 Brenton
For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.

Much love!

Benton's copies the King James Bible and ignores the LXX where the father is speaking. ", because I will lead onto the leaders thepeace. ?and father them?" ἐγὼ γὰρ ἄξω εἰρήνην ἐπὶ τοὺς ἄρχοντας εἰρήνην καὶ ?ὑγίειαν? αὐτῷ. But this isn't what the Hebrew says either.

 

[GodsGrace]

Because it is a good starting point for the Lexicon. Yes, I know Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek.

If you know Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek
you should grace us with your knowledge instead of using Strong's.
Dontcha think?
I know a Christian theologian that speaks 7 languages and he does NOT use Strong's.

If I remember correctly....you might be questioning the divinity of Jesus.

So I'll ask you a simple question to which I have not yet received a reply.

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh,


Question.
What became flesh?

 

[MonoBiblical]

If you know Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek
you should grace us with your knowledge instead of using Strong's.
Dontcha think?
I know a Christian theologian that speaks 7 languages and he does NOT use Strong's.

If I remember correctly....you might be questioning the divinity of Jesus.

So I'll ask you a simple question to which I have not yet received a reply.

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh,


Question.
What became flesh?

If you know Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek
you should grace us with your knowledge instead of using Strong's.
Dontcha think?
I know a Christian theologian that speaks 7 languages and he does NOT use Strong's.

If I remember correctly....you might be questioning the divinity of Jesus.

So I'll ask you a simple question to which I have not yet received a reply.

John 1:1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14
14 And the Word became flesh,


Question.
What became flesh?

JOHN
1 Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος In the beggining, it was a word(er), and a word(er) it was with a God, and the God, it was. 2 ὁ λόγος οὗτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν A worder another it was. In the beginning with a God, etc et cetera.
....
14 Καὶ ὁ λόγος σὰρξ ἐγένετο. And a worder the sarx-flesh begins.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Question.
What became flesh?

[A worder.] Worders there are more than one in the NT.

[Mat 24:35 KJV] 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
24:35 ὁ οὐρανὸς καὶ ἡ γῆ παρελεύσονται, οἱ δὲ λόγοι μου οὐ μὴ παρέλθωσιν
[Mar 13:31 KJV] 31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
[Luk 21:33 KJV] 33 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
[Luk 24:17, 44 KJV] 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications [are] these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? ... 44 And he said unto them, These [are] the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the psalms, concerning me.
[Act 15:15 KJV] 15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
[Rev 19:9 KJV] 9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed [are] they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
[Rev 21:5 KJV] 5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
[Rev 22:6 KJV] 6 And he said unto me, These sayings [are] faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done.

 

[MonoBiblical]

This passage speaks for itself. God took on flesh.

He had a son, but the passage doesn't anything Ignatius of Antioch or Valentinus of Rome has said about him.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I disagree.. we have plenty of history, the gospels and commentaries that leave no doubt that Jesus was Fully Man and Fully God.

Even the pagans believed in Man-gods.

 

[MonoBiblical]

so I take it that you do not believe in Jesus or His Gospel..Better rethink this before its too late.

It is not what you believe which is all-important; it is what you do righteously that God cares about. The poor good Samaritan.

 

[MonoBiblical]

you should grace us with your knowledge instead of using Strong's.

I used a Lexicon. Thayer's which is standard on every BLB page.

[And BDB for the Hebrew.]