Jesus is God

[GodsGrace]

Sarx does not include muscle.

The worder Jesus who is the son of the worder YHWH, the highest God.

It created another word(er) Yeshua.

Mono
Another word was not created.

Using your very own wording for John 1:1

in the beginning was WORD and WORD was God. (my words this time).

Can we agree that it states that WORD was God?

John 1:14 THE WORD BECAME FLESH.

Whatever the WORD was, it became flesh.

So it was IN THE BEGINNING meaning from all time...
It was God
And it became flesh.

There is other support for Jesus being God,,,but I believe this is the simplest way to understand it...
maybe it's because it's what helped me.

It IS interesting that you state that IT created ANOTHER WORDER.

There are two God beings in the OT.
The Trinity is all over the OT.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Mono
Another word was not created.

Using your very own wording for John 1:1

in the beginning was WORD and WORD was God. (my words this time).

Can we agree that it states that WORD was God?

John 1:14 THE WORD BECAME FLESH.

Whatever the WORD was, it became flesh.

So it was IN THE BEGINNING meaning from all time...
It was God
And it became flesh.

There is other support for Jesus being God,,,but I believe this is the simplest way to understand it...
maybe it's because it's what helped me.

It IS interesting that you state that IT created ANOTHER WORDER.

There are two God beings in the OT.
The Trinity is all over the OT.

Many theologians have wrestled with why John chose to use Logos instead of directly naming Jesus. However, it becomes clearer when we understand that John is highlighting the creative work God accomplished through Christ.

You cannot remove Jesus from the New Creation which is in him. Whatever you believe that New Creation holds it must be applied to Christ first.

 

[jaybird]

All the word of God is important.

However, when we are learning how to understand what Christ has accomplised on The Cross, and how to understand Spiritual Gifts, and how to understand how to walk in the Spirit, and how to perfect disciplship, and all these things that are important for the CHRISTian.........to learn..........then we use the NT, and we study Paul's epistles as he wrote the NT Church Doctrine.

this is how weird oddball doctrines come into churches. Paul is not Jesus, and even so, Paul himself says He teaches what Jesus teaches, he is not teaching something different and he is not adding new teachings.

Are you aware that when your verse was given.. there was no New Testament yet given or written or published.?
So, this is why they only used the OT., as they didnt have a NT at that time.
Understand?

book of Acts is a book of the NT.
what Paul is teaching would in fact become part of the NT, his teachings are tested against the Hebrew bible, and this is stated in the book of Acts, a new testament book.

claiming the NT was not written down or approved and stamped by a roman council has nothing to do with anything. no matter what you throw out there it will never make this Acts passage change into something different. and again, just to drive this point home, this is a New Testament Passage.

 

[GodsGrace]

Many theologians have wrestled with why John chose to use Logos instead of directly naming Jesus. However, it becomes clearer when we understand that John is highlighting the creative work God accomplished through Christ.

You cannot remove Jesus from the New Creation which is in him. Whatever you believe that New Creation holds it must be applied to Christ first.

Do you find a big difference between logos and word?

Both are WITHIN God...
Both are part of God....
it becomes flesh.

In your last sentence, you're saying that Jesus was created first and then HE created everything?
Please post the scripture...
but tomorrow.

 

[GodsGrace]

this is how weird oddball doctrines come into churches. Paul is not Jesus, and even so, Paul himself says He teaches what Jesus teaches, he is not teaching something different and he is not adding new teachings.



book of Acts is a book of the NT.
what Paul is teaching would in fact become part of the NT, his teachings are tested against the Hebrew bible, and this is stated in the book of Acts, a new testament book.

claiming the NT was not written down or approved and stamped by a roman council has nothing to do with anything. no matter what you throw out there it will never make this Acts passage change into something different. and again, just to drive this point home, this is a New Testament Passage.

Well jaybird...I knew we'd agree on something eventually.
I really wish we could agree on everything.

 

[jaybird]

Well jaybird...I knew we'd agree on something eventually.
I really wish we could agree on everything.

thanks GG
i stopped worrying about others agreeing with me long ago, if you have faith in what you believe then the opinions of others are like the wind. i could be wrong about many things but i dont worry about it nor do i think its a big deal. if my kids try to do what i teach and fail, i would still love them and be pleased that they tried, Jesus said out Father in heaven loves us even more.

 

[MonoBiblical]

In the beginning was the word and the word was God.
And the word became flesh.
What does this mean??

There are two LOGOI.

 

[MonoBiblical]

There are two God beings in the OT.
The Trinity is all over the OT.

So? Your statements are vague.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I am reporting what God said.
He is not delusional as you suggest.

You report what men say about God. Your delusion is that you think the English conveys the Hebrew in detail and very accurately.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Many theologians have wrestled with why John chose to use Logos instead of directly naming Jesus. However, it becomes clearer when we understand that John is highlighting the creative work God accomplished through Christ.

You cannot remove Jesus from the New Creation which is in him. Whatever you believe that New Creation holds it must be applied to Christ first.

Or that he was explaining God to the gentiles who wanted to join Israel. The New Creation is the afterlife, then do you understand it?

 

[rebuilder 454]

You report what men say about God. Your delusion is that you think the English conveys the Hebrew in detail and very accurately.

Ok
Have a nice day.
I will stick to the bible.

 

[Bladerunner]

It is not what you believe which is all-important; it is what you do righteously that God cares about. The poor good Samaritan.

You need to find yourself and quite place, without interruptions and talk to God....You works without faith will not get one into heaven.

 

[Bladerunner]

Even the pagans believed in Man-gods.

yes, Idols, juju beads, etc.....but not our Jehovah God. Make no mistake, God is in control not you..

 

[Bladerunner]

whos spirit was in Elijah? and what does it have to do with the trinity?

Good question....God (the Father) gave Jesus from beyond the beginning the earth and all its inhabitants. Jesus is on every page in the OT if one reds it correctly.. Who is within those true believers, the Church (His Body, His Bride) is the Holy Spirit or GOD...Since God is the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, one can say I have God within me. Rem, this was before Jesus was born of Mary on earth (God manifest in the Flesh, was man in the flesh as well). When He died, was buried and resurrected, His body was transformed into a body that Heaven could accept. Thus Paul was speaking to God and man in the spirit. Hope this helps.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

In the beginning was the word and the word was God.

ho wow you left out some words ,which kinda explains tings
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”—John 1:1

 

[jaybird]

Good question....God (the Father) gave Jesus from beyond the beginning the earth and all its inhabitants. Jesus is on every page in the OT if one reds it correctly.. Who is within those true believers, the Church (His Body, His Bride) is the Holy Spirit or GOD...Since God is the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost, one can say I have God within me. Rem, this was before Jesus was born of Mary on earth (God manifest in the Flesh, was man in the flesh as well). When He died, was buried and resurrected, His body was transformed into a body that Heaven could accept. Thus Paul was speaking to God and man in the spirit. Hope this helps.

it was really a rhetorical question, when Elijah did his miracles no one thought it was a trinity, a 2nd Most High or him calling on independent forces, they knew it was the power of the Father acting through an agent, in this case Elijah, same as at Babal, Sodom, burning bush, etc, its nothing new.

 

[Bladerunner]

it was really a rhetorical question, when Elijah did his miracles no one thought it was a trinity, a 2nd Most High or him calling on independent forces, they knew it was the power of the Father acting through an agent, in this case Elijah, same as at Babal, Sodom, burning bush, etc, its nothing new.

yes, they id not know Jesus for He was not born of man yet! yet, we are privileged to know that Jesus has been with us from beyond the beginning.

 

[rebuilder 454]

ho wow you left out some words ,which kinda explains tings
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god.”—John 1:1

Get you a Greek interlinear.
Watchtower false doctrine inserted the "a".
And made "God" into "god"

Pretty ignorant of them since Jesus is the creator of all things visible and invisible.

 

[marks]

Because when I compare the verses you've quoted with the Nicene Creed,

What's with you and the creeds? I don't do creeds. You are totally up the wrong tree. I told you. I learn what I know from the Bible.

Much love!

 

[GodsGrace]

Many theologians have wrestled with why John chose to use Logos instead of directly naming Jesus. However, it becomes clearer when we understand that John is highlighting the creative work God accomplished through Christ.

You cannot remove Jesus from the New Creation which is in him. Whatever you believe that New Creation holds it must be applied to Christ first.

Agreed.
Logos means more that the Word of God.
And the NT teaches that Jesus created everything, I believe this is what you're referring to.

John 1:3
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing * came into being that has come into being.


Colossians 1:16
16 For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities -all things have been created through Him and for Him.