Jesus is God

[MonoBiblical]

Do you speak any foreign languages?
I don't think so.

In a foreign language having no article is sometimes impossible.

Even if it stated:
IN THE BEGINNING WAS WORD AND WORD WAS GOD

NOTHING would change.
John is still teaching that this WORD that was in the beginning and WAS GOD
became flesh.
John 1:14
14And the Word became flesh.

The indefinite article can be thought of as meaningless noun which introduces another name and noun. One is sometimes an indefinite article, but has a bit of meaning.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Would also be "God with us"

"God is with us" It is not a person, but rather an action. God was certainly with them. i.e. Israel.

 

[GodsGrace]

Wow- you totally need to take a break. Ever hear of playing devils advocate? I was answering the questions that others have. You are really misconstruing my meaning here. Woweee haha
Call me a JW? This is so messed up, GG! You owe me an apology.
Your brain sounds frazzled!!!! How many times do I have to tell you- I just don't accept eternally begotten-MANY DONT/. SO WHAT>-
I accept that The Word was God who became flesh = Jesus. You are an accusatory machine. Are you born of God's Spirit?
God will never ask me if I believe the Word was eternally begotten. Never!
That's not what makes a Christian. You are being ridiculous.. lol

This is what YOU stated in post 383:

Having been raised a Jw I have a TON more--
Reconcile the above and you will have your answer.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

After all of that do I generally say Jesus is God. No, I generally say Jesus is the Son of God. Why? Jesus (flesh) was God and man.


HOW was I supposed to know your questions were rhetorical on a thread that is about Jesus not being Divine??
I even replied to a different post of yours asking you to be very clear since this is not a topic I enjoy debating.

YOU instead, are asking if I'm born of God's spirit?
What kind of question is that?
Are YOU my judge?
Speak of being an accusatory machine!

And yes,,,
To be a Christian one must believe Jesus IS GOD...not Son of God or any other demeaning title when compared to being GOD.
And One must believe in the Trinity or none of the bible makes sense.


And here is what begotten means.....
It's from CHATGPT4 but a good meaning.

• Eternal Generation:
  Jesus is "eternally begotten" of the Father, an eternal relationship of shared divine essence, rather than a temporal event or a creation.
  
• Unique Sonship:
  The Greek word translated as "begotten" is monogenes, which emphasizes the Son's unique, unparalleled nature as the single instance of God's kind, unique within his class.
  
• "Begotten, Not Made":
  This key phrase from the Nicene Creed highlights that Jesus is not a creature created by God but is of the same nature as the Father.

The second bullet is the accepted definition....
It just means that Jesus is unique...

Not begotten as some understand it as being born...like a baby.
(although it is used this way today).

And notice how a Creed explains begotten...
which is what Creeds do...
they explain scripture.

 

[GodsGrace]

"God is with us" It is not a person, but rather an action. God was certainly with them.

I'm agreeing with you that you're correct in your assessment of the verse in question.
NOT of your general belief system.

 

[GodsGrace]

The indefinite article can be thought of as meaningless noun which introduces another name and noun. One is sometimes an indefinite article, but has a bit of meaning.

I'd need an example.
Do you mean like this:

Titus 2:13
13 looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

 

[MonoBiblical]

I'm agreeing with you that you're correct in your assessment of the verse in question.
NOT of your general belief system.

Even Hindus have the wrong belief system. I don't think they are hell-bound.

 

[GodsGrace]

Do you believe Jesus completely ceased to exist 3 days before being raised?

Are you serious?
I don't enjoy having silly debates.

 

[MonoBiblical]

of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

of a great God, and of ours, the savior the Messiah Jesus.

 

[GodsGrace]

Even Hindus have the wrong belief system. I don't think they are hell-bound.

I agree.
The question would be which God are they worshipping?
If it's the Almighty creator God (such as the Indians called the Great Spirit) then I'd have to agree with you.

 

[GodsGrace]

of a great God, and of ours, the savior the Messiah Jesus.

Please post the source.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Please post the source.

τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

 

[GodsGrace]

Even Hindus have the wrong belief system. I don't think they are hell-bound.

Mono,,,,I'm not sure what you believe.
I have to get off this thread because I don't believe in debating the divinity of Jesus.

What I like to say is that our doctrine is not what will save us.
I've NEVER stated anything as to the state of a person's soul since that is God's job description.

I DO resent persons calling themselves a Christian if they are not.
This is my only point here.

 

[Muna]

yep and he was the Christ the Lord at His birth....according to the angels...and to the two Jews in the temple when He was a baby.. so there's that..

Right, he was called "my Lord" by Elisabeth before he was born through the Holy Ghost as he was called the same by David through the same Holy Ghost.

And who "my Lord" is (for the sake of argument) was just prophesied beforehand by David long before the resurrection of Jesus Christ Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ. His resurrection is where these things become more visible/evident concerning the who and what the prophets were testifying to concerning Jesus Christ.

But in the intrum the Son of God would be revealed (by the Father) to a select few (while the Word made flesh was upon earth, in the flesh as the Son) these same being given to him by the Father. So he is still Messiah interpeted the Christ, the Son of man and Son of God, who was still made Lord and Christ and was even acknowledged as such even before he died and was resurrected. The picture of this, when this occurs (or perhaps where it becomes more evident to all) as supported by the prophets is at that time is all (when he was raised from the dead) . Which is just how I am understanding it and makes sense according to the scriptures.

 

[GodsGrace]

τοῦ μεγάλου θεοῦ καὶ σωτῆρος ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ

LOL
Cute
That's not a source mono.
That's a translation.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Mono,,,,I'm not sure what you believe.
I have to get off this thread because I don't believe in debating the divinity of Jesus.

What I like to say is that our doctrine is not what will save us.
I've NEVER stated anything as to the state of a person's soul since that is God's job description.

I DO resent a persons calling themselves a Christian if they are not.
This is my only point here.

Obedience doesn't save either, but it does put you in the right place in the afterlife.

 

[MonoBiblical]

LOL
Cute
That's not a source mono.
That's a translation.

Paul didn't write his letters in Aramaic.

 

[GodsGrace]

Obedience doesn't save either, but it does put you in the right place in the afterlife.

??

Here is what I believe saves a person,,,gathered from the NT:

1. Belief in God.
2. Obedience to God.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Right, he was called "my Lord" by Elisabeth before he was born through the Holy Ghost as he was called the same by David through the same Holy Ghost.

And who "my Lord" is (for the sake of argument) was just prophesied beforehand by David long before the resurrection of Jesus Christ Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ. His resurrection is where these things become more visible/evident concerning the who and what the prophets were testifying to concerning Jesus Christ.

But in the intrum the Son of God would be revealed (by the Father) to a select few (while the Word made flesh was upon earth, in the flesh as the Son) these same being given to him by the Father. So he is still Messiah interpeted the Christ, the Son of man and Son of God, who was still made Lord and Christ and was even acknowledged as such even before he died and was resurrected. The picture of this, when this occurs (or perhaps where it becomes more evident to all) as supported by the prophets is at that time is all (when he was raised from the dead) . Which is just how I am understanding it and makes sense according to the scriptures.

What must it be like to think oneself special for believing the trinity doctrines?

 

[GodsGrace]

Paul didn't write his letters in Aramaic.

Greek, Maybe?

It's still a translation Mono.
I asked for a source.

 

[MonoBiblical]

??

Here is what I believe saves a person,,,gathered from the NT:

1. Belief in God.
2. Obedience to God.

It's always luck. Look at Job.