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GodsGrace

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I think you have to go back to the post before that response to get my comment, I didnt read beyond, " If you want to find out if Jesus is God........" because that was not what I was adressing and that is why I said, "its like talking to a wall"
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Because Behold does go on to describe a really good method for understanding that Jesus is God.
He and I disagree on something - can't agree on everything - but this is actually how I came to understand the Trinity.
It's a lot more complicated of course,,,but that would take a more scholarly mind - and it's not me!

I saw a good discussion on the Trinity with GodLogic and a LDS believer....
let me see if I could find it.

Got it!
Avery (GodLogic) is a great apologist.

I understand everything he's stating...
just don't ask me to repeat it !


 
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Because Behold does go on to describe a really good method for understanding that Jesus is God.
He was linking begotten in the Psalm to baby in the manger Jesus when that begotten was linked to Jesus begotten from the dead (which was what my post was about) and instead of saying, "oopsy daisy, my bad" he went on to tell me how to understand that Jesus is God.

I have no questions on Jesus concerning that.

That was being used to side step and lecture (which is all he does) so I dont pay too much attention to his posts, they are difficult for me to read (the whole lay out) but he already knows how I feel, I have told him before
 
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Does this mean that Jesus returned in 70AD?

Consider :

Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
Matt 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Meaning, it must have happened, likely in AD70 or before.

Matt 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matt 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

Rapture IMO.

The High Priest then
Matt 26:63 But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, “I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.”
Matt 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Matt 26:65 Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard his blasphemy.

Did the high priest really saw what Jesus said, I think so.


Or does it mean that some of His prophesies were for 70AD (the destruction of the temple and a stop to sacrifices)
and some were meant for the end times?

Nescio, latin for I don't know.
 
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Of course Jesus is God.
Are we Christians worshipping a human person?
That would make Christianity be a cult.

I've asked a question on here several times now with no reply.
John 1:1
John 1:14

If someone would care to explain WHAT became flesh, it would be nice.
The Word of God is Jesus Christ and it is He that became manifest in the flesh to live among us as a human.
 
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It may be because when you say "Jesus is God" you are denying that "Jesus is the Son of God", as the Scriptures teach.
Is your God according to the OT, Jehovah? as in Isa 44:6...."Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
 

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why would you say that?
In 30 years of reading and engaging in debates on this subject, I’ve never seen anyone successfully prove hypostasis. It remains a man-made doctrine, and even most theologians who uphold it are candid about its lack of support.

The Apostles all understood Jesus to have precisely the same nature as you and for good reason.
 
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Is your God according to the OT, Jehovah? as in Isa 44:6...."Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
JWs such as ElieG12 say there are TWO FIRSTS and TWO LASTS. That may hurt your head and it should.
 
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In 30 years of reading and engaging in debates on this subject, I’ve never seen anyone successfully prove hypostasis. It remains a man-made doctrine, and even most theologians who uphold it are candid about its lack of support.

The Apostles all understood Jesus to have precisely the same nature as you and for good reason.
It's not hard. I'm sure you would not agree, but surprise surprise. Your denial that Jesus ever had a pre-existence is really in your way.
So it would be an utter waste of time to describe this to you!

What the apostles understood we do also. We do not deny Jesus' human nature. However, mere humans do not know all things.
Jesus did.
Argue with yourself though, Hidden. You are too set in your Christadelphian views for me banter back and forth with.

JOHN 16-
Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.” 31Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?
 

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It's not hard. I'm sure you would not agree, but surprise surprise. Your denial that Jesus ever had a pre-existence is really in your way.
So it would be an utter waste of time to describe this to you!

What the apostles understood we do also.

This delusion is hard to watch.

17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. Heb 2:17–18.

PS, the issue isn’t that you’re unable to read or grasp the truth about Christ’s nature; the deeper problem is that you don’t understand His way—and that leaves you far from your Lord.

What’s almost ironic is the way you consistently avoid every passage in the New Testament that speaks of Christ’s true nature, while exaggerating the few that refer only to His glorified state.

If you were to open your mind to Hebrews 2L14-16 you would understand verse 17&18.

Will you speak to this section on Christ's nature? No, why not? Because you have another spirit in you which is not of Christ or the Apostles.
 
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To be made like his brethren in every respect must mean he was not made the same to begin with
Just means he was born of a woman just like you. Same nature just like you. The issue Truly is PS doesn't know why.
 

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This delusion is hard to watch.

17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. Heb 2:17–18.
WHY ignore the scripture I gave you? You just cut my post to what you want to argue but don't address what I stated.
AND HE WAS in EVERY RESPECT. Yes he was. What is does not say is SOLELY. Do you know ALL things? LOL Jesus did! John 16: 30-31 I think you think you do.

Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.” 31Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?


PS, the issue isn’t that you’re unable to read or grasp the truth about Christ’s nature; the deeper problem is that you don’t understand His way—and that leaves you far from your Lord.
That's cute. What is there left to say to you?
What’s almost ironic is the way you consistently avoid every passage in the New Testament that speaks of Christ’s true nature, while exaggerating the few that refer only to His glorified state.
Utter nonsense. I have no even had much interaction with you. Perhaps you are confused. I am fully aware of Jesus' human nature. Please- don't lie just because you deny He had memories of His life with His Father!
If you were to open your mind to Hebrews 2L14-16 you would understand verse 17&18.

Will you speak to this section on Christ's nature? No, why not? Because you have another spirit in you which is not of Christ or the Apostles.
Now I have an evil spirit.. why thank you..
It says that Jesus TOOK ON FLESH. You know, the WORD BECAME FLESH and DWELT AMONG US?
He was tempted and overcame all...
So what is your question dear? Again- it is futile with you since YOU deny that Jesus came down from heaven-- even though He said so HIMSELF. What is there to do with someone like you?

For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.- John 6:38


14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

argue with yourself.. there is no point with you.
 
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WHY ignore the scripture I gave you? You just cut my post to what you want to argue but don't address what I stated.
AND HE WAS in EVERY RESPECT. Yes he was. What is does not say is SOLELY. Do you know ALL things? LOL Jesus did! John 16: 30-31 I think you think you do.

Now we know that You know all things, and have no need for anyone to question You; by this we believe that You came from God.” 31Jesus answered them, “Do you now believe?
You know nothing on this subject PS
14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. 16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Wow PS - you have just quoted a section that teaches you he did not have the nature of angles but of the seed of Abraham.

It's as though you want to be willingly ignorant on this truth...not a good look!
 
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