It will only get worse, this is what he does to people, its not you, he will drag you for pages and months at a time its an art form with him.
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Hiddenthings
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Do they connect? You have copied and pasted with bald text to show what exactly?
Psalm 14:1 "The fool SAYS in his heart, ‘There is no God.’"
What context or relevance has this verse at all without explaining how it relates to anything?
Well, if he will do it continuously, ignore is a good option for dealing with trolls.
His game is to examine you and what you know and then tell you how little you know and that he is holding back greater wisdom and uses this as some sort of humiliation ritual of sorts.
Its not you.
Hiddenthings
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You said those verses speak to Jesus before he was resurrected?
Did you say that?
I think they are experimenting with some weird interfaiths and using this place as an area for sport on christians or something, it just gets the nuttiest people in here, I cannot help but think this is true.
No, I did not. I said these verses are before resurrection. It is Jesus speaking, not verses speaking to Jesus. Stop babbling nonsense.
If we all do it at the same time that would make it less fun for him.
How many of us are in on turning on the ignore?
This is my first encounter with him, so I will give him some more chance to talk reasonably. But not for too long.
You sound like me with my first encounter. I understand, this will happpen quickly for you.
Hiddenthings
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Maybe you are slow of comprehension?
(during Jesus' mortal life) As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
(during Jesus' mortal life) Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
(during Jesus' mortal life) Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life” (John 6:35) and, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father (for Life) except through me” (John 14:6).
(during Jesus' mortal life) “I live because of the Father” (John 6:57), and again, “As the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself” (John 5:26).
David's words are a prophecy of what Christ would ask of his Father
Jesus' word was spoken by Jesus during his mortal life while he was alive.
The only person babbling nonsense is the one who cannot understand or interpret the words of David, Jesus and Paul.
Hiddenthings
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As it stands no one in this thread can quote any verses that speak to Christs true nature. What we have seen is loads of special pleading and forcing notions on Johns words. If you cannot draw truth from the whole record, what use is it?
I know these verses. But I have still no idea what you want to say with them. Stop being obscure and say it explicitly.
What is the note "during Jesus's mortal life" supposed to mean?
Hiddenthings
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The Scriptures show that God, the only One who inherently possesses immortality gave life to Jesus when He raised Jesus from the dead. This means that during his ministry and death, Jesus was fully and entirely a man.
Maybe English is not your first language?
"The Father has given the Son to have life in Himself."
"Has given" is in the present perfect tense. It indicates an action that was completed at some point in the past but is relevant to the present.
It is not the future tense (i.e. in resurrection). Therefore, Jesus is not talking about resurrection, there, but about past.
And psalms are poetry, not journalism.
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Hiddenthings
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It seems your struggling with the context.
The prophecy - future of David:
As David wrote, “He (Jesus) asked life of You (God), and You (God) gave it to him, length of days forever and ever” (Psalm 21:4).
The prophecy being fulfilled "in" the Life and Ministry of Jesus
Jesus affirmed, “The Father has granted the Son to have life in himself” (John 5:26).
The authority God gave Jesus speaking of a future event:
John 10:18 “No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from my Father.”
And now the Gospel with Power as recorded by Paul
Romans 1:1–4 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh
4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord.
Don't reply with more empty and meaningless waffle!
Read the Word with more care.
Hiddenthings
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@HealthyShape The real issue with your belief is this:
Scripture clearly distinguishes between Christ in the flesh and the glorified Christ who was given life.
Because you fail to make that distinction, you end up without the original Gospel.
Scripture clearly distinguishes between Christ in the flesh and the glorified Christ who was given life.
Because you fail to make that distinction, you end up without the original Gospel.
Hiddenthings
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@HealthyShape Here is a more pressing issue for you to consider.
If you did not believe God gave Jesus life, then what of your reward?
John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
See your problem?
If you did not believe God gave Jesus life, then what of your reward?
John 14:6 “Jesus said to him, I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”
See your problem?
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