Jesus is God

[Hiddenthings]

The level of ignorance is truly astounding; it’s hard to fathom how willingly some forum members act against their own best interests. This makes passages like John 8 strikingly relevant today. It’s easy to imagine that when the Lord returns, the contradictions and obstinacy of sinners will once again cause him to marvel, just as they do now.

 

[HealthyShape]

Then I apologise again for my misunderstanding.

No problem.

 

[TLHKAJ]

Hebrews 9:12 – “Jesus entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.”

Why did Jesus need redemption?

Hebrews 9:12, "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."

This verse is simply saying that Jesus didn't have to shed His blood over and over. He shed His blood once and that covered the sins of the whole world. And should one receive that gift by faith, eternal life is theirs. The version of Bible you're using is shifty, adding words that can misconstrue the meaning of God's Word.

John 8:21-25
21 Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
22 Then said the Jews, Will he kill himself? because he saith, Whither I go, ye cannot come.
23 And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.
24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

If you don't receive Jesus as God the Son, you will die in your sins. Jesus plainly stated this. And I won't go over and over this point. I will simply state the truth and then move on.

 

[TLHKAJ]

@HealthyShape I edited my post ...truth needs to be stated. I haven't read the entire thread so maybe I'm saying what someone else has already stated. But this is concerning, the level is deception and false doctrine.

 

[ProDeo]

Can I ask why?

And yet the Law cursed Jesus as a sinner. Galatians 3:13

The Master's beginning was by the Power of the Holy Spirit and spoke nothing of him pre-existing or being given divine nature.

A sinless human can.

It's the spiritual I am showing you!

Your posts show that there are still many basic hidden things for you to discover.

May the Lord enlighten you.

 

[HealthyShape]

@HealthyShape I edited my post ...truth needs to be stated. I haven't read the entire thread so maybe I'm saying what someone else has already stated. But this is concerning, the level is deception and false doctrine.

I would allow for people to be saved even if they do not know that Jesus is God. I think that calling Him "Lord" was enough in the gospels in many cases.

But I agree that today, when the doctrine of Trinity is well-known, rejecting it willfully is dangerous.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I would allow for people to be saved even if they do not know that Jesus is God. I think that calling Him "Lord" was enough in the gospels in many cases.

I understand. But the words of Jesus are clear.

 

[TLHKAJ]

The pre-existence of Jesus in His own words...


John 8:51-59
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

The Jews knew exactly what Jesus was stating, which is why they took up stones to stone Him for blasphemy, claiming He was God. From the same chapter....

John 5:18, "Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God."

 

[HealthyShape]

John 17:5
“And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.”

 

[Muna]

Hebrews 9:12 – “Jesus entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption.”

Why did Jesus need redemption?

The blood of the everlasting covenant Jesus

Isaiah 55:3 Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live; and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure mercies of David.

Which is speaking to Jesus, the faithful witness (Isaiah 54:4 & Rev 1:5)

Isaiah 55:4 Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people, a leader and commander to the people.

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all

Acts 13:34 And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.

Acts 13:35 Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.(Psalm 16:10,& Acts 2:31)

Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.(Acts 13:37)

Acts 13:38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins:

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,

Col 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

 

[Muna]

I think these show the life in Jesus beautifully

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light,
and in him is no darkness at all.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

 

[Muna]

Psalm 21:4 – “He asked You for life” → see John 10:18; compare Psalm 16:8–11. “Length of days” – this promise also applies to those in Christ; see Psalm 22:26 and Isaiah 53:10.

This is not difficult

Here is prolonging his days

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

 

[ProDeo]

I think these show the life in Jesus beautifully

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 12:44 Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.

John 12:45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.

John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

John 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light,
and in him is no darkness at all.

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day

1 John 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

1 John 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Super.

One more, Jesus about Himself :

Rev 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last,
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Yahweh :

Isa 41:4 Who has performed and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Isa 48:12 “Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last.

@Hiddenthings - take notice.

 

[GodsGrace]

Consider :

Matt 16:27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
Matt 16:28 Truly, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

Meaning, it must have happened, likely in AD70 or before.

Matt 24:39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
Matt 24:40 Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:41 Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left.
Matt 24:42 Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming.

Rapture IMO.

The High Priest then
Matt 26:63 But Jesus remained silent. And the high priest said to him, “I adjure you by the living God, tell us if you are the Christ, the Son of God.”
Matt 26:64 Jesus said to him, “You have said so. But I tell you, from now on you will see the Son of Man seated at the right hand of Power and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
Matt 26:65 Then the high priest tore his robes and said, “He has uttered blasphemy. What further witnesses do we need? You have now heard his blasphemy.

Did the high priest really saw what Jesus said, I think so.




Nescio, latin for I don't know.

Yes...it's my last comment ProDeo.
I've looked but cannot find my notes on this and cannot remember the scriptural support.
Jesus spoke regarding 70AD AND regarding the end of the world.

BTW,,, I don't believe in the rapture.
Matthew 24:40-41 has been explained in a very logical way.
Jesus is coming back one time....
not 2X.

Also, as you must know by now...
I tend to shy away from teachings that are very recent.
The rapture is nowhere to be found in the early church.

Matthew 16:28 is interesting, but too tired to deal with looking it up in a few different versions.

 

[GodsGrace]

No one has devils in their nature Truly - where do you get this stuff from?

1 timothy 4:1
1 But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons,

Looks like we're in the later times....

 

[GodsGrace]

You know nothing on this subject PS

Wow PS - you have just quoted a section that teaches you he did not have the nature of angles but of the seed of Abraham.

It's as though you want to be willingly ignorant on this truth...not a good look!

Wow.
A person who thinks he's Christian
telling a person who IS Christian
and understands the Trinity better than most...
that he's ignorant.

Good going Hidden....
Step hard on the assets that the Christian faith has to offer.

 

[GodsGrace]

The Word of God is Jesus Christ and it is He that became manifest in the flesh to live among us as a human.

Of course none of the nay sayers will respond.
They CANNOT respond.
It's just too plain.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Hebrews 9:12, "Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us."

This verse is simply saying that Jesus didn't have to shed His blood over and over. He shed His blood once and that covered the sins of the whole world. And should one receive that gift by faith, eternal life is theirs. The version of Bible you're using is shifty, adding words that can misconstrue the meaning of God's Word.

Have a look in the original - "for us" was added because of the implications.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Here is prolonging his days

Hebrews 5:7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

Isaiah 53:10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Super.

One more, Jesus about Himself :

Rev 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. But he laid his right hand on me, saying, “Fear not, I am the first and the last,
Rev 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

Yahweh :

Isa 41:4 Who has performed and done this, calling the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isa 44:6 Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.
Isa 48:12 “Listen to me, O Jacob, and Israel, whom I called! I am he; I am the first, and I am the last.

@Hiddenthings - take notice.

Correct Jesus has a beginning and an end - the One who created him does not.