Johann
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Yes, definitely.Jislaaik! Nou maak u my baie opgewonde - ek soek jare en jarre na iemand om hierdie boek met 'n Bantu-taal teks waar die Afrikaans is, in te vul : Biblestudents dropbox. U mag dalk bereidwillig wees?
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Yes, definitely.Jislaaik! Nou maak u my baie opgewonde - ek soek jare en jarre na iemand om hierdie boek met 'n Bantu-taal teks waar die Afrikaans is, in te vul : Biblestudents dropbox. U mag dalk bereidwillig wees?
Ek kan nie "werk" op dropbox nie, lyk vir my dis in html, kan jy iets doen sodat ek kan begin?As u wil, Waar ek my Afrikaanse vertaling van die Grieks het, vervang dit met Zulu of en ander Bantu-tale. Nee, ekskuus, nie vervang nie, maar my, vertaling (wat die Grieks getrou is, kan ek met 'n skoon gewete sê) oorgesit of weergegee in hierdie taal of tale.
Is u nou ernstig deur te vra of dit nou huiswerk is en nou wat? My ore het nog nooit sulke woorde gehoor nie.
DIE HERE SY MET UEk gym nog broer, gooi die gewigte rond en bont, sit aleen in my huis.
Hoogwaarderend, geagte Johann.Gerhard, very biblically sound, just give me directives how to help, since I have all the time in the world, and let's get this project started, with the Lord's help and the Holy Spirit.
Johann
Ek stuur u die nuutste hersiening met addendums wat u kan copy&paste en dan net my Afrikaanse (boonste) lyne getrou net so, in Zulu kan oorskrywe - het u e-pos daarvoor nodig
Nie ek nie; ek ken nie Zulu of enige ander Bantutaal nie. Maar u? Sal u?
Maar sal u TERSELFDERTYD my Afrikaanse vertaling oorsit in Zulu, nie die Dinamies-Ekwivalente kwasie / pseudo vertalings van die ROOMSES NIE! Dit sou ek dalk self kon regkry, maar ek wil juis daarvan af en wegkom.
Please continue this elsewhere.I can give it n go Gerhard, in pure Nguni Zulu, learned it from Prof Nyembesi since I was a young lad, and a couple of other lingo's.
Sien jy like nie die "Romeine" nie, don't stress, me too.
Ek wil nou nie snaaks klink nie, maar wat is in dit vir my?
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Ban me, since this was no spamming
No solicitation
A brother asked me to help him translate his Afrikaans Bible into Zulu. I don't "get paid"
It's an act of love.
Do you have a problem with that?
Instead of wasting my precious time, why don't you "whine" somewhere else?
Thank you.
J.
All about an opportunity to translate his Afrikaans Bible and notes in umlimilwesiZulu.The above is listed in respect to the spamming violation. You and our brother flooded this thread with 2 pages of unrelated posts.
- Off-topic posts clearly and deliberately placed in the wrong forum(s) are included.
No contradiction. If we are dead to sin, the old man is crucified that body of sin be destroyed and we will not be serving sin. For he that is dead to sin is freed from it.You wrote "In this context are we dead to the Law. What need be of the Law if we be dead to Sin and servants of righteousness through Christ?" Correct. So why do you contradict yourself and what the Bible clearly says?
The Bible law defines sin -- or at least some of it. It doesn't define all of it, especially regarding modern life. For example, if someone commits insider trading of stocks, where is that mentioned? If someone violates copyright law, where is that mentioned? => We are guided by the Holy Spirit into all truth <= As Christians we are dead to the law. Romans 7:6, "But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."
None of which answers the objective facts of the OP. That the grammar of chapter 24 show us that Jesus EXPECTED His followers to be observing the Sabbath through the tribulation prior to His coming in the clouds and the gathering of the elect.Your post is really off the rails. Jesus DID NOT predict the sabbath would be kept by Christians until His return.
IN FACTJesus never used the word Christian at all. JESUS IS A JEW.
(King of Jews in fact - NOT pope or bishop of a church or head of a church. Jesus is the one and only annointed Jewish King, priest and prophet of ISRAEL. This is what Messiah, ha-mashiach in Hebrew, means. Google it.)
The word Christian only appears in scripture three times; Acts 11:26, Acts 26:28 & 1 Peter 4:16.
Some scholars have suggested the disciples of Jesus never called themselves Christians at all. The moniker was attached to them by pagans. (Acts 11:26) They 'were called Christians' not 'they called themselves Christians'.
Today the sabbath (shabbat) IS NOT KEPT by the church - either the Roman church, the orthodox church or the protestant church. This is a fulfillment of a prophecy of Daniel 7:25 (He [anti-Christ] will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws.)
The "set time and law" for the sabbath (shabbat) is the last day of the week - Saturday, not Sunday.
"the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest" (Exodus 31:15)
The Vatican attempted to change GOD'S LAW from Saturday to Sunday as predicted by the prophet Daniel.
We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.” (Rev. Peter Geiermann C.SS.R., The Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50).
Thus the post-modern church DOES NOT KEEP THE SABBATH, called Shabbat in Hebrew, AT ALL.
Sunday worship, called 'the Lord's Day' by the Vatican, is a violation of the 4th commandment.
The attempt to change God's LAW is blaspheme - a SIN.
God owns Saturday.
The NFL owns Sunday.
One can argue against keeping Shabbat on Saturday, but one cannot rewrite scripture. What God has ordained is true. It is NOT subject to change by any human. God is not interested in human opinion. It is our duty to trust and obey Him and His LAW.
Unfortunately the post-modern church has fallen into the same trap as its Jewish forbears. It has created its own Tradition and assumed that Tradition supersedes God's LAW. It doesn't.
Behold the work of the anti-Christ - ON SUNDAY.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Depending upon the quality of one's onLine search engine, less than a dozen references to the word 'LAW' are listed in the book of Romans.I'm going to ask you the same thing as I asked another member....
How many mitzvot, nomos, entole, law is mentioned in Romans?
1. The Mosaic law...
2. The law of faith...
3.........
...can you fill in the rest?
Says me, hollering from South Africa.
J.
Familiar with the Babylonian Talmud and some other rabbinical writings and sources.Depending upon the quality of one's onLine search engine, less than a dozen references to the word 'LAW' are listed in the book of Romans.
I use YOUNG'S ANALYTICAL CONCORDANCE, which lists 67 verses referring to the LAW in Romans alone. For instance; "Those who do not live by the LAW will die by the LAW" (vs. 2:12) and "I delight in the LAW..." (vs. 7:22) as well as verse 3:27 which asks WHICH law one is addressing when seeking justification before God.
Searches for references to mitzvot, noms and Entole aren't available in standard English reference materials. That being said, all three of these terms are linked one way or another to that which binds religious exercise and doctrine - laws.
The primary two laws under consideration in the NT are generally referred to as the LAW of grace - the LAW of Moses (Torah) and the law of works (Talmud). Without getting into too much detail about additions and exclusions (such as mitzvot), these are the two basic premises from which Jesus and the apostles argue: one is justified by the LAW of grace vs. one is justified by tradition (works).
It may be of interest to the reader that by current standards of religious legal interpretation Jesus would be labeled a Karaite Jew (one who recognizes Torah alone as a binding religious law).
The post-modern church today has falsely claimed Mosaic LAW was destroyed on the cross when in fact it was certified as perfect (Hebrews 10:14) and not abolished (Matt 5:17). Having thus denied God's LAW of grace, the post-modern church today has embraced its own form of religion - making Christian tradition the law of works it claims will save. (2 Tim 3:5) In other words, the post-modern church of today has elevated itself to the level of god while denying the power of godly religion at the same time. It has fallen into the same theological TRAP as the Jewish community.
Tradition doesn't save anybody whether it be Jewish tradition or Church tradition.
Which LAW is argued most often? In the pages of the NT, Jesus and the apostles argued Torah vs. Talmud - the LAW of grace (Torah) vs. the law of works (Talmud/tradition). Most American church types are not aware of the distinction because their education has been limited to memorizing buzz words and scripture as religious slogans.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Familiar with the Babylonian Talmud and some other rabbinical writings and sources.
But the Messiah Jesus censored the “Oral Law” when He said, “By the traditions of your elders you make void the Word of God.” (St Matthew 15).
The English translation of the Talmud has been watered down so as to conceal from the Gentiles the “satanic verses” contained in the original Hebrew.
Michael A. Hoffman II in his article titled “The Truth About The Talmud – A Documented Exposé Of Supremacist Rabbinic Hate Literature” published in Rense.Com (rense.com) wrote the Talmud is Judaism’s holiest book (actually a collection of books). Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): “My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah (Old Testament).”
Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most influential rabbis of the 20th century, the “unchallenged leader” of Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, “an entire generation” of Jewish leadership.
N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the rabbi’s authority: “Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished Talmudic scholars…Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost exclusively to the study of the Talmud…He came to Yeshiva University’s Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud…He held the title of Leib Merkin professor of Talmud…sitting with his feet crossed in front of a table bearing an open volume of the Talmud.” (N.Y. Times, April 10, 1993, p. 38).
Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchik’s knowledge of the Bible as the basis for being one of the leading authorities on Jewish law. The rabbi’s credentials are all predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud. Other studies are clearly secondary. Britain’s Jewish Chronicle of March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are “devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else.”
The Jewish Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in Jesus’ time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because the Talmud nullifies the teachings of the Holy Bible.
Shmuel Safrai in The Literature of the Sages Part One (p.164), points out that in chapters 4 and 5 of the Talmud’s Gittin Tractate, the Talmud nullifies the Biblical teaching concerning money-lending: “Hillel decreed the prozbul for the betterment of the world. The prozbul is a legal fiction which allows debts to be collected after the Sabbatical year and it was Hillel’s intention thereby to overcome the fear that money-lenders had of losing their money.”
The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ’s lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord’s pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.
Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread “Judeo-Christian” notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the commandments of rabbis, not God.
The Talmudic commentary on the Bible is their supreme law, and not the Bible itself. That commentary does indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As students of the Talmud, we know this to be true.
Jewish scholar Hyam Maccoby, in Judaism on Trial, quotes Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph: “Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible…God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own…anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture.”
But all in all, a excellent post from you.
J.
Thank you for your generous appraisal of my post.
Your post would also be of benefit to those who wish to expand their understanding of the source and development of Holy Writ.
Unfortunately I choose to restrict my own discussions regarding the oral tradition. Most American church types aren't even aware of the Biblical argument between Torah and Talmud. Expanding my posts to include the oral tradition would no doubt confuse them to the point of incredulity.
That being said, I must confess there are indeed a few who consider scholastic knowledge to be of high value. In that regard, I recommend your post be read several times.
It's my sad experience that American church types need to be bottle fed. Even then many spit it up......
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
No. I don't.THE SATANIC VERSES OF THE JEWISH TALMUD AND ZIONISM
SATANIC VERSES OF THE JEWISH TALMUD: ZIONISTS, ZIONISM AND JUDAISM by Syarif Hidayat The Talmud supercedes the Old Testament in authority for the Jews. And the Talmud is the most racist,…hshidayat.wordpress.com
This one of the many, many sources I have. Do you have knowledge re rabbi Tovia Singer?
Again, I concur with every yod and every tag re your post.
Says me, hollering from SA.
A big fat lie. Read the context.The famous warning of Jesus Christ about the tradition of men that voids Scripture (Mark 7:1-13), is in fact, a direct reference to the Talmud, or more specifically, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which existed in oral form during Christ’s lifetime, before being committed to writing. Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen, represents Our Lord’s pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.