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Acts 8 37And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.acts 9:20And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.jn 20 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.Jesus christ is the Son of God means some very special things. It means first of all that He was born in Heaven out of God..and is Gods only begotten Son, who was brought forth out of Gods very Essence of Being.The disciples confess jn 16:27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I [As a Man] came out from God.30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou [As a Man] camest forth from God. It also means that He as the Son of God, had a seed in Him..Just like Gods earthly son adam, when he was created, had a seed within him..So both of these truths are present with the Title Son of God..Jn 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Now notice what Jesus says here..That the Father first sanctified Him and then sent him into the world..Now we know sent had to do with the incarnation, but before the incarnation He was sanctified by the Father ! Now was this His Deity that was sanctified ? No..God the Father would not sanctify Deity and send it into the world..but it was the Humananity of Jesus christ, that which was begotten, that was sanctified by the Father and sent..But also we have another scripture about the Father sanctifying..jude 1:1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: So we have those who are called in time, having been sanctified by God the Father and the Lord Jesus christ being sanctified by God the Father..This is True because the elect were the chosen members [seed] of the Lord Jesus christ, and so both, the Head and the members were sanctified by God the Father..the writer of hebrews says it like this:heb 2:11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, This oneness of the Head and His members is vitally important in understanding why Jesus christ was preached as the Son of God..Remember Adam was the first earthly Son of God lk 3:38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.Amen, all the natural lives of the elect, in which the natural line of Jesus sprung..all these lives were in their Head Adam as He was the Son of God..Remember in gen chpt 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God [springing fromadam] came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. When God created adam as Man, He said let them [plural] the Sons of God, have dominion over the earth..gen 1:26And God said, Let us make man[singular] in our image, after our likeness: and let them [plural] have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. So when God made adam, He had a them in Him..And so He was the Son of God lk 3 38So when God brought forth his only begotten Son, The Son of God, He to brought forth them..because He as earthly adam, He had a the spiritual lives of the elect in Him..This is important in understanding what the apostles preached, when they preached Jesus as the Son of God..He was in Union with a seed, His members..He was as adam was a represenative head..and this before creation col 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.__________________
 

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heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? This scripture should cancel out the ideal that angels were the Sons of God in any equal sense with Jesus the Son of God..The Only Begotten Son, brought Forth with a seed in Him, His bride and or brethren ..and united to the Logos of God.. I will be to Him a Father..this expression belongs to not the Deity aspect of Jesus Christ, the Logos of God, for Deity is not a Father to Deity, but the expression is directed toward The Mediatorial Manhood of Jesus Christ, for it was His Manhood that was begotten by the Father, and not His Deity or GodHead.. heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. This is directed to the begotten Son of God, Thats why God says, God even thy God [ see jn 20:17] hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.. The word fellows in the greek is the word: metochos which means: sharing in, partaking2) a partner (in a work, office, dignity) Who are thy fellows ? Definitely its not speaking of the Father or the Holy Ghost, for they were not fellows to him to be anointed above them.. I don't believe its the Angels, for they aren't a partner or sharer in the Mediator office of Jesus Christ, in fact they [angels] will be Judged by the Saints because of their oneness with their head 1 cor 6: 1Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? 2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? So the fellows that Jesus Christ was anointed above was His brethren, the saints, the elect.. per as the definition for fellow says, those partaking in dignity, office, work.. This belongs to the elect bride.. John writes : rev 1: 5And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. We the saints partake of His Glory.. 1 pet 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: Jesus intercession confirms this too Jn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: We [ the elect fellows] suffer with Him and shall reign with Him.. 2 tim 2: If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: And all those who suffer have also been given the privilege to believe on Him phil 1: For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake; two things paul says of the elect [fellows] have been given them #1. To Believe on Him [ Jesus Christ]#2. To suffer in behalf of him.. So His fellows are his brethren, those of whom He is the firstborn of rom 8: 29For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. col 1: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature [or fellow/brethren]: The Anointing [heb 1:9] took place pre creation, and couldn't have pertained to His Manhood.. And, since His Anointing was before creation, then His Fellows were to in a Representative way [ foreknown by God] else they would not have been His fellows, which scripture clearly affirms.. The whole elect family of God, from all generations, to the end of time, were Jesus Christ fellows, a chosen generation [ family, offspring]..and He as their Head.. This blessed Truth destroys freewillism and all that filth, because none has the ability to be born into a family, or to be an offspring..Thats a Sovereign prerogative which belongs only to God...
 

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The Logos of God, who was God per jn 1: 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He a Being within the Godhead [ Elohim], entered into a Hypostatic Union with the Man [ Mediator ] Jesus Christ, Gods only begotten Son.. Be advised: Jesus Christ is the First original Heavenly Manhood [ Not Adam] and He proceeded directly out of the Godhead, The Father to be specific, in order that He would be made Deity. This occurred by the Logos of God entering into this Hypostatic union with the Heavenly Man Jesus Christ, to give Him entitlement to all the Divine Honors that come with Deity..Jn 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. And God the Holy Ghost shares in this Honor too.. He the Eternal Logos is the indwelling Divine Being within Jesus Christ by actual and personal Union ; as result of this union, Jesus Christ contains all the fullness of the Godhead bodily per col 2: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Note: Their are some very foolish and unlearned men of different apostate suasions, who believe this union belongs to them as well, but this is nothing more than a Antichrist sentiment. Jesus Christ the Man is Deity because the Logos of God became hypostatized with Him..
 

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Indeed jesus is the son of god but he also represented god in the flesh. Matthew 1:23. God bless :)
 

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There is technically no Divine Nature without a Divine Being. The Two Natures of Jesus Christ. There is a being for a nature to inhabit, The Nature makes the Being. You cant have a Human Being with a elephant Nature, nor an elephant with a Human Nature.. The Lord Jesus Christ Divine Nature is the Eternal Logos jn 1:1, as Such He is the Invisible Divine Being, depicted Here: 1 tim 6: 15Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords; 16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen. Notice now, Paul in vs 16 is still talking about The Lord Jesus Christ, the King of Kings, and Lord of Lords just as per rev 19 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And notice what Paul stated about Him..whom no man Hath seen, nor can see.. We know plenty folk saw Jesus Christ as a Man, and even as a glorified Man..matt 17.. But no man has seen Him as the Eternal Logos, partaking of the Same unsee able, Glory as the Father, remember it was written of Him: jn 1: No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. That same thing is said by Paul of The Lord Jesus Christ in the above reference. Thats because the Father and the Logos are One, and thats Jesus Divine Nature.. The Eternal Logos is that Invisible Divine Being that Has entered into a hypostatic union with the Human Nature of Jesus Christ, the only Begotten of the Father, The Man Jesus Christ the mediator, and these Two natures / Beings, Make up the One person of the Lord Jesus Christ.. This is the Mystery of Godliness..__________________
 

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savedbygrace57;72462]Acts 8 37And Philip said said:
I believe that Jesus Christ is[/B] the Son of God.acts 9:20And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.jn 20 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.Jesus christ is the Son of God means some very special things. It means first of all that He was born in Heaven out of God..and is Gods only begotten Son, who was brought forth out of Gods very Essence of Being.The disciples confess jn 16:27For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I [As a Man] came out from God.30Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou [As a Man] camest forth from God. It also means that He as the Son of God, had a seed in Him..Just like Gods earthly son adam, when he was created, had a seed within him..So both of these truths are present with the Title Son of God..Jn 10:36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Now notice what Jesus says here..That the Father first sanctified Him and then sent him into the world..Now we know sent had to do with the incarnation, but before the incarnation He was sanctified by the Father ! Now was this His Deity that was sanctified ? No..God the Father would not sanctify Deity and send it into the world..but it was the Humananity of Jesus christ, that which was begotten, that was sanctified by the Father and sent..But also we have another scripture about the Father sanctifying..jude 1:1Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called: So we have those who are called in time, having been sanctified by God the Father and the Lord Jesus christ being sanctified by God the Father..This is True because the elect were the chosen members [seed] of the Lord Jesus christ, and so both, the Head and the members were sanctified by God the Father..the writer of hebrews says it like this:heb 2:11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren, This oneness of the Head and His members is vitally important in understanding why Jesus christ was preached as the Son of God..Remember Adam was the first earthly Son of God lk 3:38Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.Amen, all the natural lives of the elect, in which the natural line of Jesus sprung..all these lives were in their Head Adam as He was the Son of God..Remember in gen chpt 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God [springing fromadam] came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. When God created adam as Man, He said let them [plural] the Sons of God, have dominion over the earth..gen 1:26And God said, Let us make man[singular] in our image, after our likeness: and let them [plural] have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. So when God made adam, He had a them in Him..And so He was the Son of God lk 3 38So when God brought forth his only begotten Son, The Son of God, He to brought forth them..because He as earthly adam, He had a the spiritual lives of the elect in Him..This is important in understanding what the apostles preached, when they preached Jesus as the Son of God..He was in Union with a seed, His members..He was as adam was a represenative head..and this before creation col 1:15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.__________________
So According To The Above Yashu'a / Adam Are The Sons Of The Eloheem = Gods Genesis 6 ; 1 - 4 , Yes ? So My Next Would Be What Is God / Eloheem Blood Type ?
 

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The Sonship of Jesus Christ does not stand in His Divinity, or His Divine Nature abstractedly speaking, for that is derogatory to His essential Glory to think of His Deity being generated or begotten, derived from and inferior to the Father; But His Inferior Sonship subsist in His Sacred Begotten heavenly Humanity, The Fathers mana, hence the only begotten Son of God..per lk 1: 35And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. jn 1 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. rom 1: 4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 1 tim 3: 16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Jesus Christ in His Deity, The Logos of God, was never begotten, nor in any sense inferior to the Father..Though He graciously was in Union with the Human Man Jesus Christ, the only begotten, who was..
 

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rom 1:4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:col 1:18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.acts 13:33God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.The resurrection in time, merely mirrored what occurred before time, when He was begotten of the Father, in that His Humanity was brought into Being with Power, and United with The Logos of God, fitting Him as the GodMan Mediator with Power..And subsequently after His incarnation, death, His resurrection from the Dead, again declared Him the Son of God with Power..Its important to understand, That Jesus Christ did not become anything new or different after His resurrection , what He was not before the World began Jn 17:5And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.The difference of course, He has in a time sense, literally fulfilled His everlasting covenant stipulations, of being made a sin offering for Gods chosen People..Please note: God the Father was completely well pleased with the Son before His actual death on the Cross in time, this is understood by such scriptures as these:matt 3 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.matt 17 5While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.As far as God was concerned, His Son has well pleased Him, that cant be increased or diminshed..nothing Jesus Christ did in time altered The Fathers declaration or opinion of Him, but merely manifested why He held Him in Such High esteem..So Jesus Christ resurrection only declared Him what He was all aolong..The Son of God with Power..in His Humanity united to His Divine nature, The Logos of God..__________________
 

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1 tim 2 :5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;Jesus Christ was the God Man Mediator before creation and before the incarnation..The Heavenly and Glorious second Adam, Jesus Christ was a Heavenly Being, A Man, begotten out of His Father, and suited for and unto His mediators Office..This character was given him before the creation of all beings, men and angels..It was given him before the highest part of the dust appeared prov 8:22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was.26While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.Paul says of the medium of creation col 1:16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.This too is the Function of a Mediator, that of creation, more on that later..and vs 18 says:18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.He is the head of the church, that is, its Mediator head, for He could not be the head of the church [before all creation] and not be its mediator, and if so, then in the beginning, He was the God Man, The One mediator between God and Men, Men of course being the elect, his body, his church..Note: Jesus Christ was not the mediator for the serpents seed..Now as Paul teaches, a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is One gal 3:20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.That is a Mediator is not of Just One Essence or Nature, but God however is of One nature or essence, so a Mediator must have Two a plural nature, if not, the essentials of a mediator is missing..The question therefore is this. Did God wait thousands of years after the creation of man, before Jesus Christ became the mediator ? if so, then Jesus Christ was no mediator in any real sense to the OT Church [ The Israel of God] those redeemed under the OT ..And so when they went to Glory [ as Enoch or Elijah], it was not by Jesus Christ, which would makejn 14 6 which says this:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.This scripture would be rendered meaningless, because, one can tell Jesus, sure they can Jesus if they went to the Father before you were mediator..after all Jesus, you weren't mediator until you were born of Mary..But all the mighty cloud of witnesses in Heb 11, testify to Jesus Christ being the author and finisher of their faith..Heb 12:Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Do you think the writer of Hebrews is excluding the faith of those just mentioned in heb 11, from our Faith ? Of course not..He is definitely saying that Jesus Christ is the author and finisher of all our faith..or how can they be our cloud of witnesses ?Now, Jesus Christ is the Author and Finisher of our Faith, not in His Deity, but in His Manhood..It was not as God, that He suffered the contradiction of sinners, despising the shame..but as a Man..So these facts from the scripture adds credence to the truth of Jesus Christ the man, existing in His Mediator role before the incarnation, and as will be shown, before creation..__________________
 

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Heb 5:55So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.This scripture speaks to the Lord Jesus Christ in pre incarnate Manhood being Glorified before creation as the High Priest of the election of grace, and this Glory, no doubt Jesus refers to in Jn 17:5 and is that Glory that Isa saw of Him in isa 6:1In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. 2Above it stood the seraphims: each one had six wings; with twain he covered his face, and with twain he covered his feet, and with twain he did fly. 3And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. Now its no doubt that Isa saw the LORD, but notice He says that His Train filled the temple..What is a Train ? The Hebrew word is:shuwl and means:a skirt of robe; A High Priest Robe !The word for Lord in vs 1 is adonay:I have no doubt that Isa saw the Glorified Man Jesus Christ, in His High priest Glory before the Incarnation..for certainly it was not the Father in a Train as an High Priest..Though my point right now is not to prove scripturally The Man Jesus Christ Deity, nevertheless, Isa does call him, right after calling Him Adonay vs 1, He calls Him the LORD of Host in vs:5Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts. The word LORD here in vs 5 is Jehovah, the self existing One.. So Isa in describing the exact same Being, calls Him Adonay in vs 1 and Jehovah of host in vs 5..He sees the Lord Jesus Christ in Two out of Three of His Offices, The High Priest and King..This passage confounds both sets of heretics, those who deny the pre existing God-Man and to those who deny the Deity of Jesus Christ..We also find Holy Ghost confirmation of this vision being of Jesus Christ and His Glory in Jn 12:37But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him. So the Lord Jesus Christ in His sacred Manhood was begotten in eternity and anointed by the Father into His office of High Priest for the People of God..For scripture says He was an High Priest after the order of Melchezidek:heb 5:10Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.And what characterized this High priest ?heb 7:3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.This certainly speaks to the priesthood of Jesus Christ being before His being born of mary..__________________
 

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Here are Two more scriptures confirming Jesus was a Man from heaven Jn 3:13And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he [man] that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.I am no wiz in english, but anyone with reason can see that man is the subject as to who came down from heaven..jn 1:3030This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he [the man] was before me.Again man is the object here, a man coming after John, whom John confesses that man was #1 greater than He was, and # 2. before as in [existence] him..
 

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His Father's Business Luke 2:49And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?Jesus Christ, though born of a virgin, Mary, He did not take His Being , nature, nor Substance from her. For His Being was only of His Heavenly Father. I don't believe with todays technology, that Jesus would have been found with Joseph's nor Mary's DNA..I believe Jesus in the womb of Mary was able to generate his own flesh and blood..The womb of the virgin would have served merely as a means or avenue to do that..remember, He was already a Son Given..__________________
 

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In church history the Alexandrian concept of the Only Begotten Son, is that God the Father generated the Divine Nature or Deity of Jesus Christ before creation. This thought however is pagan in its origin, But the Father did before the world began, generated the Manhood or heavenly Humanity [Mana] of Jesus Christ. In Jesus Christ Divine Nature, as the Logos of God, The Eternal Son of God, He has His own Self Existence, Immutability, and Self Sufficiency. These properties belong to Him as God the Word, and denote His Eternal Unbegotten Son-ship.
 

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savedbygrace57;73107][B]His Father said:
Luke 2:49And he said unto them' date=' How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about[U'] my Father's business?[/U]Jesus Christ, though born of a virgin, Mary, He did not take His Being , nature, nor Substance from her. For His Being was only of His Heavenly Father. I don't believe with todays technology, that Jesus would have been found with Joseph's nor Mary's DNA..I believe Jesus in the womb of Mary was able to generate his own flesh and blood..The womb of the virgin would have served merely as a means or avenue to do that..remember, He was already a Son Given..__________________
SBG,If you are trying to say here that Christ was not 100% human, you are in error.
 

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Here are some scriptural titles that speak to Jesus Christ [ as Man] Pre Creation or Generation by the Father..as the Heavenly Man. He is the Firstborn of all creation or every creature col 1: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: This folks is how Adam was made in the Image of God, where He got His shape from as a Man, because He was Made in the image of the God Man Jesus Christ..see rom 5 14b He is the beginning of the creation of God, First in the Fathers Generation and Creation rev 3: 14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; cp col 1: 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence In His Creation in the beginning, He was the Head of the body, the church Technically, it can be said, that the church, His body and all the individual members of his body, were created in the beginning.. An Analogy of this is given in the 139 psalms: 16Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them. All my members were written, In the book of life ! rev 17: The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was, now is not, and yet will come. They were not of His Members, therefore He knew them not.. Also compare rev 3 14 14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; compare with prov 8: 22The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. 23I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. 24When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. 25Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: That word possessed is the hebrew word qanah and it does mean to create.. This confirms in my opinion that Jesus Christ as stated in rev 3 14 was the beginning of the creation of God.. He was created before Gods works of old, in order to be Co Creator and the Mediator of Creation, and that as the Head of His body, the church.. So the titles I have shown from scripture that speak to Jesus Christ being begotten in His Manhood before Creation are: #1 The Firstborn of every creature col 1 15 #2. The beginning of the Creation of God #3. Possessed in the beginning of God's way prov 8:22-29
 

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1 tim 2: 5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Gen 1: 26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them [Plural] have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. Men were created in the One Man Adam in the beginning..Thats why God said and let them have dominion over all other creatures.. So Officially when Adam was created Men were created, and if Jesus Christ was not the Mediator between God and Men , then Man in the beginning was without a Mediator :confused: which would contradict 1 tim 2 5 since Adam stood for Men.. And if Adam did have a Mediator, guess whom it would have been ? The Man Christ Jesus.. Surely God did not create or generate the Mediator for Men after He created Men.. That would contradict scriptures like col 1: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature[Including Adam]: or rev 3: 14And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
 

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LK 14:26 No one can be a disciple of Jesus unless he hates his parents, wife, children, brothers and sisters.1JN 3:15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer.1JN 4:20 If anyone claims to love God but hates his brother, he is a liar.
 

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geordie72;73169]LK 14:26 No one can be a disciple of Jesus unless he hates his parents said:
Geordi72, do you even understand the meaning of these verses? It seems like you are just throwing verses to cast doubt into people's mind.
 

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Jesus Christ in His Unique Heavenly Manhood, For He is the Fathers only begotten or generated human being in all creation for all time and eternity. God created all others, men and angels through or by Him Jesus Christ. eph 3: 9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: col 1: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. Many would prefer to say that Jesus Christ was not created but generated as Gods Only Begotten Son, in His Mediator's Manhood before Creation..Jn 1: 14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth This refers to John, Peter, and James who saw what Jesus Christ looked like as the Only Begotten Son of the Father before on the Mount o f Transfiguration, which is how He looked before the incarnation and pre creation.. When speaking of Jesus Christ pre creation Manhood, I am referring to His Human Mind, Spirit, and Heavenly or Spiritual body, not flesh and blood. For He did not take on that form [flesh and blood] until the incarnation and virgin birth, as it was drawing closer to the appointed time to give His blood as a ransom for the church..in the stipulations of the everlasting covenant. Jesus Christ before creation was a Spiritual or heavenly Man [ As He is Now] in Union with the Eternal Son of God, the Logos or the Word of God, whom was God jn 1 1.. Christ as the only begotten Son of God [ His Humanity] existed before all creation heb 1: 10And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail. col 1: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.