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Jews In The Holocaust

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  1. Webers_Home

    Webers_Home Well-Known Member

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    International Holocaust Memorial Day 2022 falls on Thursday, January 27.

    Were I a Jew, I would not want the Holocaust remembered because it raises
    too many painful questions about the so-called chosen people's popularity
    with God.

    One has to ask, in point of fact there has been more than one rabbi ponder:
    How is it that so many of Moses' people were caught up in the Holocaust?
    Where was God during all that? Why didn't He step in and do something to
    protect His chosen people?
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    What you have to remember is that the Jews are a people that value remembrance so that they do not forget what was. Their history is as important as their present. I believe that is one of the reasons why the Jews have survived in so many oppressive and destroying attempts to get rid of them.

    You cannot attempt to understand the jews from a western perspective because they are God's chosen people and like no other. God deals with them separately from any other nation. They are a chosen race a royal priesthood. No other nation is. So the question should be "why do the jews remember the holocaust?" not I wouldn't want to remember it.
     
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    When we read the OT we see the difference between 2 types of Jews ?
    One is a fake and not worthy of God at all and it's this type who has killed all of the Jews all the way through the years.
    Jesus warned us of such a Mob.
    We see that a Mob within wanted to Kill Holy Moses in fact. but nowadays people do not cotton on about that story at all ? so nowadays it looks to me as totally impossible to get the gravity of such a message across, people just go totally blank.
    I wonder why all such never computes with most people. or some total moron will claim such is Anti-Semitic :rolleyes: well hell this is all a fact and it happened well before any Christians were about.

    So a worthy Jew back in the time would understand the gravity of what was going on, not to mention nowadays any worthy Jew who understands the OT would have a handle on all such goings on. That is if one is truly worthy of the OT.

    Well as to why does God not step in and do something to protect his people ? well His people would be on the ball to protect themselves is the answer.
    Now their is many ways this could be seen from, but ! There is only one way with God ? and that's through the Lord Jesus ! That's the only true way to keep any bastard under wraps.
    Remember that this world is full of delusions and deceptions and that's why a person who is not truly born again regardless of idiots who play the race card etc do not have a handle on the reality of the subject.
    It has nothing to do with ones race at all in fact !
    It has to do with are you truly born again, now if one is not, well then you are not worthy of God end of story !
    You know God or you are under delusions ?
    Now the people who are worthy of God have the power to move mountains !
    But the people who are lost are not worthy to God.
    Now when the 6 million Jews were killed, such was all the work of the Anti-Christ that was at play ? The same people who tried to Kill Holy Moses and all the rest all through history. They are of there Father who is a what and was a murderer from the what ?
    Godless people are a curse and what happens to such ? They reap what they sow ! and why is that because they are bastards in fact = God less !

    What does the Commandments inform you to do ? I remember the words go like such, With all your ? what !

    I hope you can fill in the blank, I left them out for you for a reason.

    Now when a people are with God they are always what and when they turned their backs of God what happened ?
    You let an idiot behind the wheel of a Car, is anyone surprised when such becomes a disaster. Now that's the world we are living in nowadays, a fools paradise ! this world chose to abide in Sin, so don't be surprised ! God she kicked them out of Paradise for a good reason, no ?
     
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    To find an answer to the OP's question one need look no further than Ex
    34:6-7, Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1-69. In other words: the
    Jews, as a people, brought it on themselves in accordance with the covenant
    that their ancestors agreed upon with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers,
    and Deuteronomy.

    A covenant is essentially a contract. Well; if God were to fail to fulfill His end
    of the agreement; then He would be in breach of contract; which is not only
    unethical, but also uncivil. Long story short: the covenant requires Him to
    lower the boom on His people for failure to honor their end of the
    agreement; and you can see the extent of the damage for yourself in the
    scripture references in the above paragraph.

    There are numerous blessings that God is contractually obligated to fulfill
    too; so the covenant isn't all one-sided; viz: compliance with the covenant
    accrues blessings; while breaching the covenant accrues curses.

    Anybody who has read the Old Testament can attest that God came down on
    His own people quite often for breaching the covenant; and just as often
    quite cruelly. The curses that Lev 26:3-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:1
    69 list are very disturbing; and when examining them, one cannot help but
    realize they're reading a synopsis of the Jews' history.
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    Because those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
     
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    As one of Jehovah's witnesses John, we are not disappointed that the holocaust is remembered. We certainly do not celebrate it or acknowledge it in any way, but anytime lessons can be learned from past mistakes, these reminders may move others not to make the same mistakes sir. Especially leaders of countries. But most times people do not learn from their mistakes, and history repeats itself. russia today is persecuting us heavily. Beating us, imprisoning us, stealing our property etc. Even in this there is comfort however, as by these happenings, we are able to discern that our deliverance is getting so much nearer, the scene of this world is definitely changing, and it seems at an increased pace.
     
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    The status of God's chosen people has its advantages; but also its
    disadvantages; viz: the status of God's chosen people is not something to be
    proud of; but rather, something to be afraid of because the covenant's God
    is not the kind of judge influenced by favoritism. No; if anything, Moses'
    people run the risk of being judged even more severely than Gentiles
    because of their privileged position and the insider's knowledge they were
    given of His likes and dislikes.

    Amos 3:1-2 . . Hear this word that Yhvh has spoken against you, O
    children of Israel, against the whole family which I brought up from the land
    of Egypt, saying: You only have I known of all the families of the earth:
    therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities. (cf. Luke 12:42-48)

    That is an ancient principle illustrated not only in the Jews' history, but also
    taught by Christianity.

    Luke 12:47-48 . .That servant who knows his master's will and does not
    get ready or does not do what his master wants will be beaten with many
    blows. But the one who does not know and does things deserving
    punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been
    given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been
    entrusted with much, much more will be required.
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    FAQ: Do you mean to say there are actually Christians out there believing it
    was the Jews' own fault that they were rounded up like cattle, stripped of
    their dignity, their property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved,
    starved, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to
    Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and
    incinerated by the millions?


    A: If the covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God is binding; then
    yes; the Jews, as a corporate people, are definitely at fault for what
    happened to them.

    The covenant obligates Him to protect them from misfortune when they're
    compliant with it; but the same time the covenant also obligates God to
    lower the boom on them when they're non compliant. There's really no
    mystery to this: it's all spelled out in black and white at Ex 34:6-7, Lev
    26:14-38, Deut 27:15-26, and Deut 28:15-69. (cf. Deut 29:14-28)

    If there is only one good thing to come out of the Holocaust is that it proves
    to the world that God is reliable, viz: He can be trusted to honor His
    commitments.
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    what a wonderful and thoughtful, accurate and thoughtful response!
     
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    Moses was not a Jew. He was a Levite. Furthermore, the Bible prophecies there is going to be another Jewish holocaust, no doubt because people have failed to learn any lessons from the last one. Anyone who is aware of what is going on in Germany can see the irrational hatred of Jews is making a huge comeback over there.

    It's not even just happening in Germany either. Hitler's Mein Kampf book has apparently sold a lot of copies in France. I can guarantee people aren't buying them for purely scholastic purposes, considering what the Bible has to say about what the Holy Roman Empire will do to the Jews once it is welcomed with open arms into Jerusalem.
     
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    FAQ: How can it possibly be that God would cause an event whose collateral
    damage led to the deaths of all those other people too besides the Jews?


    A: We're not saying God engineered the Holocaust. All we're saying is: He
    stood by and did nothing to prevent a number of His own people being taken
    in it. In other words: the essential thing that Moses' people brought upon
    themselves was the loss of God's providence. I think God took advantage of
    Hitler's agenda as an opportunity; viz: a convenient means of throwing His
    people to the wolves like He did in the Old Testament with Nebuchadnezzar.


    NOTE: It's not all that unusual for Christians to lose out on God's providence
    too; and thus end up in hot water themselves.

    1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in
    the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth.
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    That's what reap what you sow means, the Jews always reaped what they sowed regardless, as does anyone.
    No one is going to save anyone.
    The Germans reaped what they sowed as well, how many Germans were killed in WW2 and not to mention the Hell during and after the war, not to also mention before the war. with the great depression, the Germans coped it the worse of all in the Depression by far and this set them up for Hitler to do his number on them. not to mention the whole thing was staged !

    No ! we were all played. The best thing for a people to do is examine what truly went on, look into it from every angel regardless and wake up to the fact that deceptions are always in the workings, not to mention in my Job such workings was in my face all the time and I had to learn, the hard way I might add ! I was way to trusting of people but I got to understand the workings of the Godless better then they knew themselves. I got to know what the simpletons were going to say even before they said such.

    The Holocaust was not the work of God at all, that was all the workings of Satanist, and that's why they call it a Burnt Offering to their gods ? That's what a Holocaust is, is it not !

    God never does anyone wrong, that's not what he is about.
    The god that the Carnal worship are who create burnt offering to their gods in fact.

    The 6 million German Jews number was talked about years before it happened you know, it was mentioned in Jewish Newspapers of such a number a few times.
    What we see in the OT is that the Jews were being killed by another type of Jew all the time in one way or another, Child sacrifice you name it, and look what we have nowadays, the biggest murder of people is in the womb by far, but the people are oblivious of the whole Satanic powers of such, but look at Covid true numbers :confused: it's nothing to Abortions. Where is the true respect for Life ? If the majority can just palm such as that off, I am sure they are capable of anything.
     
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    The Point here is all about you all !
    What is it that you must do to gain eternal life ? that's the Key ! now if everyone did such the world would be a much better place, in fact the Kingdom of God.

    That people in this world is just like putting a ding bat brat behind the wheel of a car loose.
     
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    FAQ: Supposing there is no one to blame for the loss of Jewish life in the
    Holocaust but the Jews themselves? If so; then how many of them would've
    had to breach the covenant to put them all in so much danger?


    A: It's surprising how few Jews it takes to ruin it for all the rest. For example
    the incident at Ai in the 7th chapter of Joshua. The insubordination of one
    insignificant Jewish man-- just one --caused God to stop assisting Joshua's
    army in battle. As a result, 36 men were needlessly killed in action; and
    ultimately capital punishment was inflicted upon not only the insubordinate
    man himself, but also his sons and his daughters. God's accusation? "Israel
    has sinned" (Josh 7:11)

    See that? God didn't accuse the perpetrator; no; He accused Israel. In other
    words: in that particular incident; the sin of just one Jew under Joshua's
    command became the sin of all the Jews under his command; viz: the whole
    kit and caboodle-- lock, stock, and barrel; and Israel could proceed no
    further with its conquest of Canaan until the guilty man was executed.

    And then there's the case where Saul alone caused a three-year famine, and
    another case where David's conduct cost the lives of 70,000.

    Another possibility is that the generation caught by the Holocaust, was
    caught not only due to their own breaches of the covenant, but also due to
    breaches committed by generations preceding them.

    Ex 34:6-7 . . Then Yhvh passed by in front of Moses and proclaimed: Yhvh,
    Yhvh God, compassionate and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in
    loving-kindness and truth; who keeps loving-kindness for thousands, who
    forgives iniquity, transgression and sin; yet He will by no means leave the
    guilty unpunished: visiting the iniquity of fathers on the children and on the
    grandchildren to the third and fourth generations.

    That statement is included in the covenant, so God is morally obligated to
    honor it lest He be found in breach of contract. But it just goes to show that
    sins have a way of snow-balling from one generation to the next till the
    snowball is so big that it triggers an act of God; which is disturbing because
    it tells me that it's not impossible that the Jews of today are endangering the
    Jews of tomorrow by their current breaches of the covenant-- breaches that
    according to Ex 34:6-7, God will by no means sweep under the rug.

    Wouldn't it be awful if the next Holocaust took place right inside the Jews'
    own homeland? I sincerely believe that Saddam Hussein's SCUDS were a
    wake-up call. Next time; incoming missiles just may contain nuclear
    warheads instead of high explosives; and many among Jacob's people will be
    poisoned to death with radiation instead of pesticide.

    (According to stats I found online, the State of Israel has experienced
    1,380,053 cases of Covid 19 resulting in 8,243 deaths; and a very large
    percentage of those cases are fully vaccinated. Why hasn't their God's
    covenanted providence been protecting His people?)

    I believe it's okay to pity the Jews per Lam 1:12; but I do not believe it is
    appropriate to let them get away with playing the victim all the time; the
    meanwhile diverting attention away from their own chronic failure to honor
    the covenant in a manner consistent with God's requirements.
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    There is no point in a Homeland, once saved one is saved. That's all it is to it.

    One is at home with God when one is truly saved.

    The Point of a home land has to do with only the carnal.

    Why look to a home land ? well it's because they are not saved, that's why they see such nonsense. because they are lost.

    Once one is truly saved you can go where you please, because you are with God in his Grace.

    There are No Jews nowadays, the point is mute. such is all a con job.
    The only point of making a claim of such would be to one devoted to the OT, but so what ! what is the point ? True Christians have the blueprint their of and understand it totally, better than anyone can in fact, because we are the foundation of it all. We are truly that Tree there of.

    But as to they who claim they have been grafted in ?
    But what of they who were of the Tree from the beginning ? The worthy Jews, Hebrews, worthy of the title Israelites, were in fact the first Christians.

    Nowadays we have this BS claim that the Jews are all the idiots who were lost, the morons who were lead astray by the Jewish leadership and to kill Jesus, But the fact is that there are two different Jews we are to understand, the fools who were lost to God and not worthy of God at all and then the ones who were truly totally worthy of God, who in fact were the first Christians, no Goyim at all was Saved ! That came later !

    When one truly becomes born again there is no Jew or Goyim, as all of such a ones have changed and are under the same roof and the Same people totally united as one, if not they are of Satan, so people who make such claims of the so called Jews are under delusions.
    Fact is that there are they who are Saved and they who are not in fact and that's all that matters to God.

    I am ringing up God ? High bro, I am looking for the Jews.
    God- Why ?
    Me- oh I am looking for the people of God !
    God- You don't have faith in my Son ! Click.

    Now the Apostles of Jesus Christ were all worthy Jews and who did they have faith in ? did they have faith in the Jewish leadership ? No !
     
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    FAQ: If true that the Jews, as a people, brought the Holocaust upon
    themselves in accordance with the language of the covenant that their
    ancestors agreed upon with God; then why don't they own up to it instead of
    always going about playing the victim and acting so indignant?


    A: Well; sad to say: the Jewish people, on the whole, are famous for their
    obtuse attitudes; not only in the Bible; but in real life too. It's so common
    and so chronic that we're forced to conclude that their attitudes are actually
    quite systemic. Finding a Jew who will admit they are wrong-- wrong about
    anything --is like searching for the Loch Ness monster and the lost city of
    Atlantis.

    The average John Que and Jane Doe Jew is so defensive, so reactive, so
    stiff-necked, so adamant, so self-righteous, so arrogant, and so infected with
    a chosen-people superiority complex; that they simply cannot tolerate
    criticism; not even criticism coming straight from the mouth of the very God
    with whom they boast an elite association; for example:

    Zech 7:11-12 . . But they refused to listen; and they turned a rebellious
    shoulder; and they made their ears heavy, not to hear. And they made their
    heart [as hard] as a shamir, [in order] not to listen to the Torah and to the
    words that the Lord of Hosts sent, through His spirit by the earlier prophets.
    And there was great anger from the Lord of Hosts.

    Dan 9:5-6 . .We have sinned and have dealt iniquitously; we have dealt
    wickedly and have rebelled, turning away from Your commandments and
    from Your ordinances.

    Dan 9:10-11 . .And we have not hearkened to the voice of the Lord our
    God, to follow His teachings, which He placed before us by the hand of His
    servants, the prophets. And all Israel have transgressed Your teaching,
    turning away, not heeding Your voice, and the curse and the oath, which are
    written in the Law of Moses, the servant of God, have befallen us, for we
    have sinned against Him.

    Jews have been playing the victim card for decades, and getting away with it
    too; so it really riles them whenever somebody dares to suggest that the
    misfortunes that have overtaken them down through the years, as well as
    the problems that plague them right now, are due to exactly what Daniel
    and Zechariah said. For example:

    The covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God requires Him to
    preserve peace in the land of Israel when His people are compliant. Well; the
    land has been in a state of war since the day of its inception in 1948 and
    nobody is safe over there; and were Israel not allied with the USA and
    Britain, I fear the Arab world would crush it practically overnight.

    The covenant also obligates God to restore Israel's borders when they are
    compliant. Well; the State of Israel doesn't even have control over the
    Temple Mount let alone its covenanted borders.

    The covenant also obligates God to provide the State of Israel with abundant
    rain when the people are compliant. Well; if not for ground water and
    desalination, Israel wouldn't have much of an agriculture. Alas, the historical
    Jordan River has been reduced to a toxic trickle of its former self because so
    much water is pumped out of it for irrigation
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    I’m sorry but are we blaming the Jews for the Holocaust?
    Is that what we’re doing here? Am I reading this right?

    Why would anyone say such a thing to such a horrible and low event in human history? Is it because the trauma and Evil is so great and we’re unable to process it?
     
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    No !
    The Holocaust was a burnt offering !
    Well that's what a Satanist would say ? such is called a Burnt offering because when one calls it a Holocaust ? such a one is making an affirmation that they support such as being a Burnt offering to their Gods ? get it !

    Now as to myself I reject that such was a Burnt offering, but Genocide ! get it ?
    So what I am saying is that such was the works of Man, Sin !

    But as to the satanic so called Jews etc etc they demand it was a Burnt offering ? a Holocaust !
    Now why is that ? well they have appeased their Gods in fact !

    We see this in the OT taking place time and time again and this so called Jews are who Jesus pointed out in fact who they were, of their father the devil who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning. such is depicted in the Vineyard story as well.

    In fact this Mob of so called Jews seen the 6million as a threat to themselves ? that's why they had to be eliminated ? because down the track the Mob could be exposed and all their workings undermined.
    If the 6 million had lived the so called Jews and their Talmud whore were finished.
    Fact was that about 90% the German Jews despised the so called Zionist movement and then Hitler who was a Zionist got rid of all Jewish newspapers and only let the Zionist ones to publish, so as to try and entice the Jews to swallow the so called Zionist dribble. but Jews being Jews did not swallow such rubbish, so out came the final solution deal ? and that's straight out of the Talmud books as is everything that Hitler did. it's like railway tracks each follow the same.

    Anyone who claims that the 6 million murdered was a Holocaust is in grave chance of going to Hell. because such is making one implicit in such, giving power to such blasphemy.
    Such is the workings of the Devil creating delusions and deceptions, like the USA we see people claiming to be African American ? now why use such a racist bigoted term ? it's astounding to me ! but people in the USA do not pick up on it, because it's common jive talk. fact is one has to be born in Africa and then become a citizen to be come an African American. but if a Negro was born in the USA then one is in fact an American of African decent in fact, or whatever they are. To put ones race before ones Nation is the outright work of the Devil.
     
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    Desalination is a desperate measure. Israel won't need it when God's
    covenanted providence takes the reins in that land.

    Isa 35:6-7 . .Water will gush forth in the wilderness and streams in the
    desert. The burning sand will become a pool, the thirsty ground bubbling
    springs. In the haunts where jackals once lay, grass and reeds and papyrus
    will grow.

    Much of Israel today remains a barren desert. When God's providence kicks
    in, the whole land will become arable.

    Isa 35:21-2 . .The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness
    will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will
    rejoice greatly and shout for joy. The glory of Lebanon will be given to it, the
    splendor of Carmel and Sharon; they will see the glory of The Lord, the
    excellency of our God.

    Lebanon's glory of old was timber; especially cedars (1Kng 4:33). Sharon
    was known for its flowers (Song 2:1) and Carmel for its orchards (Isa 33:9).
    How God will get timber, flowers, and orchards to flourish in the Negev
    should be interesting.
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    A number of observant Jews sincerely believe that the deaths of six million
    of their fellows via German atrocities during the second world war satisfied
    certain teachings and predictions in the 53rd chapter of Isaiah's prophecy. A
    rabbinic interpretation of that chapter proposes, in so many words, that the
    fate of God's people at the hands of Hitler's minions accomplished the
    salvation of the world.

    The interpretation is a bit involved so I won't go into it here; but suffice to
    say that the interpretation provides, for some, the only rational explanation
    as to why God stood by and did nothing to prevent so many of His own
    people from being rounded up like cattle, stripped of their dignity, their
    property, their wealth, and their possessions, enslaved, starved,
    malnourished, deprived of basic human necessities, tortured, subjected to
    Frankenstein medical experiments, worked to death, and gassed, shot, and
    incinerated by the millions by Nazi mad men.

    The error of that interpretation is so obvious that it's almost below me to
    point it out; to wit: Judaism regards human sacrifice as a breach of the
    covenant that Moses' people agreed upon with God; and also sincerely
    believes that human sacrifice is an abomination.

    There are astute Bible scholars of the opinion that the Jewish genocide of the
    last century was only a taste of one to come in the future when a super
    powerful political figure, known to just about everybody as the anti-Christ,
    will target God's people with another mass extinction. They say his won't be
    confined to Europe like the last one, but will encompass the entire globe so
    that Jews won't be safe anywhere on the planet.

    Those scholars also believe that the present State of Israel isn't permanent;
    but that it will be conquered and the Jews lose control of their homeland all
    over again. I don't know for myself whether those scholars are right, but if
    they are, then it would appear that the future of God's people at this point in
    time is looking mighty grim, to say the least.
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